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Mandalay
Mar 16, 2007

WoW Forums Refugee

Cichlidae posted:

Indeed I could, though I'd catch unholy hell for it soon afterward. I've already slipped a couple Easter eggs into my work (like including that nerdy logo on our new TCPs).

wait where's the final logo

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Cichlidae
Aug 12, 2005

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exo posted:

But when you do cross the tracks, you have right of way along with all other left-to-right right-to-left traffic (from the perspective of the video) on a green signal while the LRV has a red signal. if you'd prefer, you can take a left and illegally cut in front of the LRV or do three right hand turns.

I'm not saying you should out of the blue decide to start making hook-turns, it was more a question to Cichlidae and other Americans whether you think this would be a viable alternative to improve safety and reduce delays for both LRV vehicles (by reducing accidents) and drivers (by negating the ned for triple-right turns).

Guess the answer is a no, as the concept is clearly foreign and confusing.


You could accomplish this using a relatively familiar device: a jughandle.

Mandalay posted:

wait where's the final logo

It's ugly as hell, and everyone hates it. Which is why I'm using one of my choosing instead, at least internally.

kapinga
Oct 12, 2005

I am not a number

Cichlidae posted:

You could accomplish this using a relatively familiar device: a jughandle.


It's ugly as hell, and everyone hates it. Which is why I'm using one of my choosing instead, at least internally.

Which logo did you choose, if we may ask?

Cichlidae
Aug 12, 2005

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kapinga posted:

Which logo did you choose, if we may ask?

The final decision wasn't up to me, unfortunately, but I liked this one best:



It's from Koesj.

Everyone in the unit prefers this thread's suggestions to the new logo, but unfortunately, the head of the drafting unit's kind of a hardass.

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!
Here in Orlando a stretch of I-4 through downtown (and maybe on other roads but gently caress if I'm taking the turnpike) has programmable speed limit signs. They are regular signs except for the number which is digital and can be changed.

Now I'm not sure if the speed changes to match the conditions or they just turn them down during rush hour but the signs usually go from 55 in off peak times to 30 during rush hour.

From what I understand from this thread, doing something like those signs is one of the worst things in terms of safety and efficiency. The back everyone up because some people go slow and cause more accidents because some people don't go slow.

Any opinion on how effective they are?

renzor
Jul 28, 2004

...I still get the ham, right? Good.

Volmarias posted:

:psyduck:

Why would you do this? Wouldn't they have some sort of liability for someone driving and hitting a loving tree?

I have this behind my house...in downtown Vancouver, BC. They threw a hazard marker on it, though!

I haven't followed this thread in quite some time and miss it dearly. I prepare engineered traffic management plans for both short and long-term construction projects. This includes temporary road realignments, long-term detour routes, simple lane closures, which devices to use where, where to utilize appropriate warning devices (Signs, flaggers, etc). I'll try and pay more attention and answer some of the construction related questions in the thread.

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Zero One posted:

Here in Orlando a stretch of I-4 through downtown (and maybe on other roads but gently caress if I'm taking the turnpike) has programmable speed limit signs. They are regular signs except for the number which is digital and can be changed.

Now I'm not sure if the speed changes to match the conditions or they just turn them down during rush hour but the signs usually go from 55 in off peak times to 30 during rush hour.

From what I understand from this thread, doing something like those signs is one of the worst things in terms of safety and efficiency. The back everyone up because some people go slow and cause more accidents because some people don't go slow.

Any opinion on how effective they are?

I've seen them in use in a few places. I'm not sure how Florida does it, but Germany changes theirs to match current conditions.

The problem you mentioned with causing rear-ends is an issue with all speed limit drops. Ideally, you want to reduce driver speeds gradually. For example, instead of dropping from 55 mph to 30 mph, you'd first go to 50, then 45, 40, 35, and finally 30. Of course, you'd have to start that signing pattern a couple miles upstream, where traffic might be flowing smoothly, in which case people won't obey at all. You can add enforcement, but that could lead to rear-ends, too.

What I would do is not rely on speed limits to put motorists at the speed you want. Stick up a VMS or three that tell where the congestion begins, keep drivers alert, and employ a good Transportation Management Center.

renzor posted:

I haven't followed this thread in quite some time and miss it dearly. I prepare engineered traffic management plans for both short and long-term construction projects. This includes temporary road realignments, long-term detour routes, simple lane closures, which devices to use where, where to utilize appropriate warning devices (Signs, flaggers, etc). I'll try and pay more attention and answer some of the construction related questions in the thread.

Glare screens, yea or nay?

And, more topically (I have a public meeting today): when you're going to be jamming up traffic for months with an essential project, construction begins, and the public starts blaming all of their life problems on you, how do you calm them down?

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Cichlidae posted:


What I would do is not rely on speed limits to put motorists at the speed you want. Stick up a VMS or three that tell where the congestion begins, keep drivers alert, and employ a good Transportation Management Center.




They've been doing that on the NJ Turnpike for a long time (a shame the neon-tube ones are all being replaced by more modern VMSes tho). With the speed limit signs variable too, but, as far as I've ever seen they only set them to 45 mph for bad weather and 30 or 45 mph for construction zones.

GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005


renzor posted:

I have this behind my house...in downtown Vancouver, BC. They threw a hazard marker on it, though!
I have the hilarious mental image of a standard yellow warning diamond bolted to the tree that reads
CAUTION
TREE
flanked by flashing warning lights.

Mandalay
Mar 16, 2007

WoW Forums Refugee
so, I'm dating an architect who works as a planner because I sent her an online dating message about roundabouts.

thanks, thread!

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Ask / Tell > Ask me about getting into a Traffic Engineer's pants

Cichlidae
Aug 12, 2005

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IOwnCalculus posted:

Ask / Tell > Ask me about getting into a Traffic Engineer's pants

Traffic engineers have really lame pick-up lines:

Hey baby, I don't mean to brag, but my cock's at least 2 passenger car equivalents.

Hope you don't mind if I ride my single unit around your apron...

Why don't we go back to my place and we can try a little alternating one-way?

Are those jugs NCHRP350-compliant, because I'd like to crash into them at high speed!

drat! You need to slap some glare screens on dat rear end so you don't cause accidents!

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
What does MUCTD have to say about typefaces?

http://www.good.is/post/can-a-font-help-a-city-make-a-comeback/

Cichlidae
Aug 12, 2005

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Phanatic posted:

What does MUCTD have to say about typefaces?

http://www.good.is/post/can-a-font-help-a-city-make-a-comeback/



Very little. It doesn't single out any one font as better than another. However, those letters should still be in upper case! And since when does Tennessee count as "East Coast"?

Rude Dude With Tude
Apr 19, 2007

Your President approves this text.

Cichlidae posted:

And, more topically (I have a public meeting today): when you're going to be jamming up traffic for months with an essential project, construction begins, and the public starts blaming all of their life problems on you, how do you calm them down?
Tea and cake :britain:

Rude Dude With Tude fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Mar 6, 2012

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Except that here it'd need to be Coke and Krispy Kremes, in a quantity so large that you would need to double the size of the venue.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Cichlidae posted:

Very little. It doesn't single out any one font as better than another. However, those letters should still be in upper case! And since when does Tennessee count as "East Coast"?

Same deal with street signs? On public roads around the Nike World Campus in Beaverton, OR, they've got custom typefaces:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=nike+...urce=gplus-ogsb

Cichlidae
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Blue Moonlight posted:

Same deal with street signs? On public roads around the Nike World Campus in Beaverton, OR, they've got custom typefaces:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=nike+...urce=gplus-ogsb

Custom typefaces are allowed. The MUTCD specifies size and case only.

Solus
May 31, 2011

Drongos.
We have had Stop Lights put on Motorway On-ramps here in Auckland within the last year or so.

They are only turned on during Rush Hour traffic. Do they actually do anything or do they just transfer the queue to off the motorway itself so some bigwig can go :byodood: I'M HELPING

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





They're called ramp meters, and yes, they help as long as they have been programmed properly. I used to hate them in AZ but they have made a bunch of changes to them to make them behave better with light traffic conditions.

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.


How far away from a device that lets me set bad drivers on fire with a push of a button? I would pay good money for that.

Why can't people maintain speed? Why do people rubberneck so bad? Why does traffic flow downhill but stop uphill on a road section with no on/off ramps or lane changes?

It's a loving mystery for the ages.

Mandalay
Mar 16, 2007

WoW Forums Refugee

Solus posted:

We have had Stop Lights put on Motorway On-ramps here in Auckland within the last year or so.

They are only turned on during Rush Hour traffic. Do they actually do anything or do they just transfer the queue to off the motorway itself so some bigwig can go :byodood: I'M HELPING

The short answer: yes. And the reason why this makes sense is hiding all the way on the first page of this thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3177805&pagenumber=1&perpage=40#post363813501

Cichlidae posted:

One of the many paradoxes of traffic engineering is that traffic flows best when the road is mildly congested. Time to get technical!

We measure how smoothly traffic is flowing by LOS (Level Of Service). A is the best: you're the only one on the road, you can go as fast as you want. At LOS B, there are a couple other cars, but they don't impede you much. LOS C is a bit rougher, and you have to be careful when changing lanes. LOS D is quite stressful. Everyone's moving at a good clip, but you don't have much liberty. LOS E, you're going 10 below the speed limit and everyone's crammed in like sardines. Finally, at LOS F, it's stop-and-go, or just plain 'stop'.



You can see here that speed goes down as volume (and density) go up. However, since there are many more cars on the road at LOS E than at LOS A, even though they're going more slowly, the road is handling more traffic and therefore more efficient. Fascinating, eh? That's why a German road that's often congested can actually be better than an Italian road that nobody uses. Or maybe the Italians just can't drive.

Cichlidae
Aug 12, 2005

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I discovered a mistake in the 2009 MUTCD, so I let the man in charge know. He agreed, so my recommendation will be included in the next MUTCD Pedantic rear end in a top hat Edition.

Elendil004 posted:

How far away from a device that lets me set bad drivers on fire with a push of a button? I would pay good money for that.

Some cars will do that without your intervention! Ask your doctor if the Ford Crown Victoria is right for you. (Perhaps I shouldn't have read through the AI Mechanical Failures thread)

RCK-101
Feb 19, 2008

If a recruiter asks you to become a nuclear sailor.. you say no
Hey Cichlidae, I just popped in to say well, you, and engineers like you saved my life. I recently had a car accident (tire goes boom, car rolls and impacts a barrier, fun times), and well, if not for the actual design that goes into roads, I'd most likely be dead, or brain dead, ha! So tell me, do you get involved in the design of things like jersey barriers?

Cichlidae
Aug 12, 2005

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Ryand-Smith posted:

Hey Cichlidae, I just popped in to say well, you, and engineers like you saved my life. I recently had a car accident (tire goes boom, car rolls and impacts a barrier, fun times), and well, if not for the actual design that goes into roads, I'd most likely be dead, or brain dead, ha! So tell me, do you get involved in the design of things like jersey barriers?

We have a specialist who handles the design of the barriers themselves. I lay the barriers out, taper length and such, and run it by her to make sure they're kosher. I also review consultant designs to make sure they're not going to unintentionally make a vehicular cheese-grater.

If they were going to INTENTIONALLY make one, on the other hand, I've got to salute a fellow Mad Scientist in action.

Chillbro Baggins
Oct 8, 2004
Bad Angus! Bad!

Cichlidae posted:

Some cars will do that without your intervention! Ask your doctor if the Ford Crown Victoria is right for you. (Perhaps I shouldn't have read through the AI Mechanical Failures thread)
To be fair, Crown Vics get rear-ended at 70mph rather a lot more than other cars. I doubt many other cars could take that kind of hit without catching fire, but the Crown Vic is the only one that gets hit like that often, by virtue of spending a lot of time parked on the shoulder of the interstate. Plus the cop shops don't always follow the guidelines about not putting things in the trunk pointing at the gas tank. Hell, one of the things to check when buying a former cop car is whether they put screws through the trunk into the gas tank.

renzor
Jul 28, 2004

...I still get the ham, right? Good.

Cichlidae posted:


Glare screens, yea or nay?


I use a variation of those all the time. Up here we use a green mesh material, though. Any onsite works around off a highway pretty much requires this now, as well as a lot of longterm municipal work.

Cichlidae posted:

And, more topically (I have a public meeting today): when you're going to be jamming up traffic for months with an essential project, construction begins, and the public starts blaming all of their life problems on you, how do you calm them down?

"If we don't do it this way, 5 people will die DAILY!!" Seriously though, citing safety every second sentence and referring to traffic counts you've inputted into a simulation program seems to shut most people up. I'll issue a weekly newsletter if there are a bunch of residential/commercial properties directly affected by the project and that seems to go a long, long way in keeping people happy (I'll also have a mailing sign-up form for daily commuters). There will always be one or two pricks who are only there to make your life miserable so the best you can do is subtlety out-smug them with a smile on your face.

My partner and I are about to start on the new Evergreen Line (Rapid Transit Expansion). I'll probably input daily logs here once we get going in order to maintain my sanity.

emdash
Oct 19, 2003

and?
I'm very late to the thread, so I apologize if this has already been discussed, but I would love to know traffic engineers' opinion of what the problem(s) in the DC area are and how/if they can be fixed. Nothing makes less sense to me than traffic in this area, especially after having to do a very long commute for 18 months of my life that I will never get back :argh: So I'm just interested to hear an educated opinion on it.

If it's already been talked about, maybe someone can give me a general idea of what page it's on

Cichlidae
Aug 12, 2005

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Solus posted:

We have had Stop Lights put on Motorway On-ramps here in Auckland within the last year or so.

They are only turned on during Rush Hour traffic. Do they actually do anything or do they just transfer the queue to off the motorway itself so some bigwig can go :byodood: I'M HELPING

I should mention one more thing I realized today that also make a case for ramp meters: they break up platoons of entering vehicles. Instead of having 5 cars trying to merge one after another, you get a car every five seconds. Keeping a low, steady inflow keeps you from tipping over the edge into LOS F.

TheQat posted:

I'm very late to the thread, so I apologize if this has already been discussed, but I would love to know traffic engineers' opinion of what the problem(s) in the DC area are and how/if they can be fixed. Nothing makes less sense to me than traffic in this area, especially after having to do a very long commute for 18 months of my life that I will never get back :argh: So I'm just interested to hear an educated opinion on it.

If it's already been talked about, maybe someone can give me a general idea of what page it's on

I did talk about it somewhat a good while back. The general consensus was that a good part of DC's gently caress-uppedness is due to the many planned (and subsequently canceled) freeways in the area. There are plenty of ways to GET to the City, but once you're there, good luck getting around. I made a quick plan to show a good freeway network in the Baltimore/DC area.



(Kinda looks like a dong)

Edit: I drew that on July 27, 2009, so that should give you a good idea where in the thread to look.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Cichlidae posted:

I should mention one more thing I realized today that also make a case for ramp meters: they break up platoons of entering vehicles. Instead of having 5 cars trying to merge one after another, you get a car every five seconds. Keeping a low, steady inflow keeps you from tipping over the edge into LOS F.


I did talk about it somewhat a good while back. The general consensus was that a good part of DC's gently caress-uppedness is due to the many planned (and subsequently canceled) freeways in the area. There are plenty of ways to GET to the City, but once you're there, good luck getting around. I made a quick plan to show a good freeway network in the Baltimore/DC area.



(Kinda looks like a dong)

Edit: I drew that on July 27, 2009, so that should give you a good idea where in the thread to look.

some days I wish I went into urban planning just to I could propose drawing miles-long cocks on the landscape with roads.

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The Entire Universe posted:

some days I wish I went into urban planning just to I could propose drawing miles-long cocks on the landscape with roads.

Whoever designed the freeway network around Dallas/Fort Worth beat you to it.

less than three
Aug 9, 2007



Fallen Rib
So here in Metro Vancouver we're going to replace one of our oldest (and deadliest) bridges. Built in 1937, it's 4 extremely narrow lanes and no centre barrier. 64,000 vehicles per weekday, 3000vph at peak times.

Google Maps link to location

(PS: South of it is SkyBridge, the world's longest metro-only bridge. :3: It's so cool. The bridge deck is really thin since it doesn't have to carry much weight.)



3.04m = 10'
2.895m = 9'6"
0.2m = 8"

Forecast demand is 94,000 vpd with peak of 4200vph. (2040)

They're currently at the stage where they're seeking input from the community over their proposed designs, I thought I'd post them here and see what you think. If you had a different idea that'd be neat to see as well! :)

Proposed designs (North side) A/B/C/D


Proposed designs (South side) A/B

less than three fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Mar 8, 2012

Cached Money
Apr 11, 2010

Cichlidae posted:

Massachusetts calls their old traffic circles rotaries; the most famous of which for out-of-staters is the Cape Cod Rotary.


But you might never find the way back home!
So here's a Swedish thing I drive through regularly, roundabout or rotary?


Edit: The roads going into it are highways from all but the road cut off to the left in the picture.

kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses
That is a rotary.

skaboomizzy
Nov 12, 2003

There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.
Some months ago I talked about my nephew with Asperger's who was fixated on highways and intersections. Someone here suggested Transportation Tycoon for him to play. My sister got it for him and he LOVES it. So thank you, SA Forums!

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

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skaboomizzy posted:

Some months ago I talked about my nephew with Asperger's who was fixated on highways and intersections. Someone here suggested Transportation Tycoon for him to play. My sister got it for him and he LOVES it. So thank you, SA Forums!

Do you mean TTD? There's even an Android port for it (although the controls are horrible) at this point, so god knows you can play this loving thing anywhere.

renzor
Jul 28, 2004

...I still get the ham, right? Good.

less than three posted:

So here in Metro Vancouver we're going to replace one of our oldest (and deadliest) bridges. Built in 1937, it's 4 extremely narrow lanes and no centre barrier. 64,000 vehicles per weekday, 3000vph at peak times.

Google Maps link to location

(PS: South of it is SkyBridge, the world's longest metro-only bridge. :3: It's so cool. The bridge deck is really thin since it doesn't have to carry much weight.)



3.04m = 10'
2.895m = 9'6"
0.2m = 8"

Forecast demand is 94,000 vpd with peak of 4200vph. (2040)

They're currently at the stage where they're seeking input from the community over their proposed designs, I thought I'd post them here and see what you think. If you had a different idea that'd be neat to see as well! :)

Proposed designs (North side) A/B/C/D


Proposed designs (South side) A/B


The Pattullo is loving sketchy. The channelizers separating the lanes have definitely helped, although you're sending a night crew out at least once a week to replace the fallen ones. It will be a good day in the Lower Mainland when that thing is finally replaced.

FISHMANPET
Mar 3, 2007

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skaboomizzy posted:

Some months ago I talked about my nephew with Asperger's who was fixated on highways and intersections. Someone here suggested Transportation Tycoon for him to play. My sister got it for him and he LOVES it. So thank you, SA Forums!

If she managed to find a boxed copy of Transport Tycoon or Transport Tycoon Deluxe, throw that poo poo right in the trash and get OpenTTD, even without GRFs it's so much better. It's also free (as in beer, and as in freedom).

For lols you can get Locomotion, the sequel to TT using the Rollercoaster Tycoon engine.

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less than three posted:

So here in Metro Vancouver we're going to replace one of our oldest (and deadliest) bridges. Built in 1937, it's 4 extremely narrow lanes and no centre barrier. 64,000 vehicles per weekday, 3000vph at peak times.

Google Maps link to location

(PS: South of it is SkyBridge, the world's longest metro-only bridge. :3: It's so cool. The bridge deck is really thin since it doesn't have to carry much weight.)



3.04m = 10'
2.895m = 9'6"
0.2m = 8"

Forecast demand is 94,000 vpd with peak of 4200vph. (2040)

They're currently at the stage where they're seeking input from the community over their proposed designs, I thought I'd post them here and see what you think. If you had a different idea that'd be neat to see as well! :)

Proposed designs (North side) A/B/C/D


Proposed designs (South side) A/B


I spent a good, long time looking these over, and here's my analysis, in brief:

North side:

A: Probably the best design from a balanced standpoint. Relatively inexpensive, constructible, and makes good use of space. On the other hand, you're introducing a skewed intersecion, and losing continuity on Columbia Street. It also involves some substantial ROW takes.

B: Maintains existing traffic patterns to a large extent. It's probably also the cheapest option to build. Only takes a couple of properties. If I had to bet on what will eventually get built, this is what I'd choose.

C: It's a structural engineer's wet dream. Viaducts and tunnels all over, stacked roadways... that means it'll be a big pain in the rear end to build, and expensive on top of it all. Somehow, though, it ends up with less direct movements than the other alternatives. No property takes, at least. Perhaps they're using that to show the public, "we can save $100 million by buying up $5 million of property."

D: This one is rather weird, too. I don't think I like it. Royal Avenue gets a kink in it, and there's some ROW taken, it's not a good use of space, and you're sticking another signal on Columbia Street right next to the other one. I really don't get it; it looks like someone designed it as a joke.

South side:

These two alternatives are very similar; the only difference is changing between a diamond and a parclo with Scott Road. I'd base that one off the volumes; a parclo will flow better, but a diamond will free up more space for development.

I hope this is concise enough!

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Aug 23, 2010

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less than three posted:

So here in Metro Vancouver we're going to replace one of our oldest (and deadliest) bridges. Built in 1937, it's 4 extremely narrow lanes and no centre barrier. 64,000 vehicles per weekday, 3000vph at peak times.

May you never take the Tobin Bridge. Granted, the different directions are on different levels, but it can be concerning when you consider that you are surrounded by Massholes on a 62-year-old bridge.

Airconswitch fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Mar 8, 2012

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