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Max Wilco posted:Not sure if I've posted it in this thread before now, but Manly Guy Doing Manly Things sort of portrayed Duke like this: i'd probably watch they live with duke nukem.
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Today I learned the weirdos at ACE Team (Zeno Clash, Rock of Ages, etc) were also responsible for Batman Doom and this crazy looking Quake 3 single player TC called The Dark Conjunction http://www.moddb.com/mods/the-dark-conjunction
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Jul 9, 2017 02:43
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:My review of Duke Nukem Forever: I love that review, I remember that and all your excellent Todd Howard posts of course, epic stuff! (in the Homer tradition)
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Jul 9, 2017 02:45
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Dyz posted:You're mostly right, but there definitely isn't a giant neoconservative subtext to a loving Duke Nukem game. He's just an rear end in a top hat. It's pretty easy to get that impression though.  It's also worth mentioning that the DNF version of Duke was around for a while, but nobody really remembers poo poo like Time to Kill and Zero Hour because they were total garbage. I don't think it's a bad thing to want the DN3D Duke to have a proper home and a better future because there was a lot of charm there. It just got pissed away over the following decades.
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Jul 9, 2017 02:48
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Yodzilla posted:Today I learned the weirdos at ACE Team (Zeno Clash, Rock of Ages, etc) were also responsible for Batman Doom and this crazy looking Quake 3 single player TC called The Dark Conjunction http://www.moddb.com/mods/the-dark-conjunction Dark Conjunction isn't great, but it's a really interesting look at trying to make singleplayer Quake 3 mods. Saves for example only load from the beginning of a level.
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Heavy Metal posted:I love that review, I remember that and all your excellent Todd Howard posts of course, epic stuff! (in the Homer tradition) A thousand years from now nobody will remember Doomguy or Caleb or Bitterman (although maybe BJ), but they will recall and debate Duke Nukem for his scholarly complexity--the endless interpretations of his nebulous anti-hero qualities that have been bestowed upon him by Broussard's boobery...not unlike a father unwittingly imparting prejudice and spite upon his only son.
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Jul 9, 2017 02:55
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Dewgy posted:It's pretty easy to get that impression though. Yeah that's why I said Duke's had about 1 and 3/4 original 3D games by now. 1 is Duke 3D and the remaining 3/4 is every other 3D duke game since, including DNF.
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Jul 9, 2017 03:04
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Jul 9, 2017 04:07
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ETPC posted:I thought Time To Kill was alright.......
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Jul 9, 2017 04:08
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ETPC posted:I thought Time To Kill was alright....... Probably wasn't awful for a PS1 game, but wasn't that also the one where you killed the final (female) boss by cramming a grenade up her cootch?
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Jul 9, 2017 04:10
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Oh yeah, I bet playing it now would be *rouuuuuuugh* but at the time it was ok? Also, I can't remember that final boss, but it wouldn't be surprising at all. I just remember liking the intro because it had that one Stabbing Westward song in it, and I was/am a total mall goth at the time.
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Lurdiak posted:Duke's personality works fine in Duke3D, which is a game that barely has a story. His cheesy quips add to the atmosphere of the game and helps it feel like more than a mere "Doom clone". It does not work in DNF, not only because it's an outdated and unexamined cartoonish trope in a game that has an overall more serious tone(admittedly not TOO serious, but it's still a less arcadey world by a wide margin), but because the actual fleshing out Duke does get outside of his corny one-liners and love of violence makes him seem like a huge loving rear end in a top hat. This is a pretty uncontroversial thing I'm saying here, and it's really weird that you keep jumping in to say "Actually Duke is super awesome and has no problems at all and there definitely isn't a gigantic neoconservative subtext to Duke Nukem Forever!". My issue isn't with you liking something, but how weirdly and blindly defensive you are of it. the fact you use 'neoconservative' kills whatever argument you're trying to make. keep political buzzwords on CNN and tumblr.
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Well I'll be damned, that was the end boss of DN3D. Maybe I underestimated how quick it all turned to poo poo. 
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Cool fact: all media is political
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Diabetes Forecast posted:the fact you use 'neoconservative' kills whatever argument you're trying to make. keep political buzzwords on CNN and tumblr. Lol that you're freaking out about people using normal words to make fun of Duke Nukem Forever
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fishmech posted:Lol that you're freaking out about people using normal words to make fun of Duke Nukem Forever when did that become a normal word that people out in public say? it hasn't. it's a news word. Also why are you saying 'freaking out' of all things?
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Diabetes Forecast posted:when did that become a normal word that people out in public say? it hasn't. it's a news word. Like 2001? It's as old if not older than "watch Bush start a loving war." Please grow up and learn to talk to actual humans offline someday soon.
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Diabetes Forecast posted:when did that become a normal word that people out in public say? Somewhere around the turn of the century. A little earlier in political science circles. It's roughly contemporary with the games that are the topic of the thread, so it's surprisingly apt here. Tippis fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Jul 9, 2017 |
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Diabetes Forecast posted:when did that become a normal word that people out in public say? it hasn't. it's a news word. I'm sorry you apparently never made it past middle school, and think words on the news aren't real. Because you're freaking out, or you're trying to do an incredible life like simulation of someone really dumb freaking out at a normal word in a post about Duke Nukem Forever sucking.
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Jul 9, 2017 04:43
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Not to continue this derail, but Neoconservativism has been a 'thing' since like the 90's and prob even before that. Wikipedia says the earliest mentions were in the 60's. Also, deriding words for being 'news words' is a bad look.
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ETPC posted:Cool fact: all media is political
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Arivia posted:Like 2001? It's as old if not older than "watch Bush start a loving war." Please grow up and learn to talk to actual humans offline someday soon. in my whole life I never saw this word used anywhere but in the past 4 years and really only ever on the news. I live in the south, you'd think I would have heard this word here but nope never has it come up in conversation with real human beings.
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Diabetes Forecast posted:in my whole life I never saw this word used anywhere but in the past 4 years and really only ever on the news. I live in the south, you'd think I would have heard this word here but nope never has it come up in conversation with real human beings. Why does it sound like you're bragging about that?
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Diabetes Forecast posted:in my whole life I never saw this word used anywhere but in the past 4 years and really only ever on the news. I live in the south, you'd think I would have heard this word here but nope never has it come up in conversation with real human beings. Then you need to get out more. Proud ignorance like yours is a disservice to everyone and is exactly the kind of attitude that thinks Duke Nukem is acceptable in 2017.
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Jul 9, 2017 04:50
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Duke Nukem is acceptable in the year 2017
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In fact, I bought a Duke Nukem game not one week ago
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I've been spending a lot of time recently watching long-form video essays of game crit and I thought Noah Caldwell-Gervais's stuff would be relevant to the thread. This one on HL mods gave me a lot of Feelings. I strongly recommend diving into the others too because they are all excellent. The FEAR one is super good, as is the Wolfenstein video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpbFtCUqM0M
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Arivia posted:Then you need to get out more. Proud ignorance like yours is a disservice to everyone and is exactly the kind of attitude that thinks Duke Nukem is acceptable in 2017. Duke Nukem is not political, it's a joke character from the 90s. a joke does not necessarily need to be political. Where should I get out more to then? Where can i find people who use neoconservative in real conversation? I'd rather just know how someone's day has been and talk about quaint things.
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Diabetes Forecast posted:Duke Nukem is not political, it's a joke character from the 90s. a joke does not necessarily need to be political. One of the cornerstones of cultural criticism is that things can be (and often are) political, even if they're not intended that way. Duke is very much promoting a model of masculinity and ways to interact with the world at large; he is a political actor. And I don't know where you are. But by god, if your response to something you don't hear often is to attack it as one of those ivory tower news words, you've got some work to do.
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I'm loving this Duke chat too much.ETPC posted:I've been spending a lot of time recently watching long-form video essays of game crit and I thought Noah Caldwell-Gervais's stuff would be relevant to the thread. This one on HL mods gave me a lot of Feelings. I strongly recommend diving into the others too because they are all excellent. The FEAR one is super good, as is the Wolfenstein video. Speaking as someone that generally doesn't give a gently caress about games journalism, Noah Caldwell-Gervais is a phenomenal games journalist. Not only does he cover niche subjects like singleplayer HL1 mods, but he puts forth such a massive amount of effort and is incredibly knowledgeable about whatever subject he's talking about. I can't speak highly enough of his channel. He also has a great video on Doom 3 and explains in great detail on the awkward position Doom 3 was in when it was released that led to its lukewarm critical reception. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn0IMQIlUMQ
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Joseph Anderson, Hbomberguy and Errant Signal are also fantastic. Long form video essays are extremely my poo poo.
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now that I've thoroughly demonstrated my mental superiority, allow me to state in detail how a video game character makes me fuming angry and that it needs to be eradicated
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Diabetes Forecast posted:Duke Nukem is not political, it's a joke character from the 90s. a joke does not necessarily need to be political. Duke in DNF is political feeling in the way Duke 3D wasn't and that was the complaint being levelled. You know, the complaint you freaked out about and refused to finish reading.
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Douk Douk posted:I'm loving this Duke chat too much. Nthing the Noah kudos. The one on Homefront was good too. I ended up getting Homefront Revolution and had a decent time with it. It's basically a janky urban FarCry and I eat those up like the dirty consumer whore that I am.
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Meanwhile, as a quick break from this thread's quarterly habit of staring at its collective hands in mortal terror and realising that we're all horrible monsters, here are some retro FPS'y speedruns from Summer Games Done Quick this year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VHZwQqshsk&t=1037s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOkypDxI0T4&t=416s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLrDS-3Qs-4&t=416s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT4IOmDKR68&t=370s
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Duke should be more Johnny bravo, less 'cool'. He's a buff nerd who watches oprah and b movies. He's confident but socially inept. As soon as they made everyone (literally) want to suck his dick they ruined the character. And so many of the new lines for dnf just made him spiteful and misogynistic. He's meant to be the goofy side of masculinity, not the toxic side. He didn't offend or 'trigger' me in dnf, he just made himself someone I didn't like.
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Duke should go away because his games weren't and aren't much fun.
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fishmech posted:Duke in DNF is political feeling in the way Duke 3D wasn't and that was the complaint being levelled. You know, the complaint you freaked out about and refused to finish reading. I refuse to acknowledge DNF is a game or exists so
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juggalo baby coffin posted:Duke should be more Johnny bravo, less 'cool'. He's a buff nerd who watches oprah and b movies. He's confident but socially inept. As soon as they made everyone (literally) want to suck his dick they ruined the character. And so many of the new lines for dnf just made him spiteful and misogynistic. That's sort of along the lines of what Terminus said. You don't have to totally abolish Duke's personality. There's a right and wrong way of doing a character like Duke. If he's written in the right way, he can be endearing, but if written the wrong way, you get DNF. You could have a script where they poke fun of Duke, but he just rolls with the punches. A new Duke game sounds incredulous, but in the past few years, we not only got a reboot of Shadow Warrior, but that reboot got a sequel, and I never dreamed that would happen. The only other game that tops it in terms of 'reboot I never thought would happen' was Rise of the Triad.
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Diabetes Forecast posted:I refuse to acknowledge DNF is a game or exists so It seems like you refuse to acknowledge a lot of reality. PaletteSwappedNinja posted:Duke should go away because his games weren't and aren't much fun. Duke 3D was fun and is still fun. It's a landmark game, ignoring what it achieved because some of what it did was icky is just dumb. SCheeseman fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Jul 9, 2017 |
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