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Sundae
Dec 1, 2005
On the time/date format stuff again, I just opened a document and saw this:

Revision History:

v8.0 - effective 07/05/2013
v7.0 - effective 30MAR2013
v6.0 - effective 121030
v5.0 - effective 120817


This is beyond stupid.

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EAT THE EGGS RICOLA
May 29, 2008

Sundae posted:

On the time/date format stuff again, I just opened a document and saw this:

Revision History:

v8.0 - effective 07/05/2013
v7.0 - effective 30MAR2013
v6.0 - effective 121030
v5.0 - effective 120817


This is beyond stupid.

Why is there even a subversion?

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

EAT THE EGGS RICOLA posted:

Why is there even a subversion?

They get used for in-draft revision copies routing for approval. The document management system isn't capable of tracking drafts / approval copies separately, so subversions were adopted for that.

(Like, when 7.0 was revised to 8.0, the copy that was sent to everyone for approval was 7.1 If 7.1 was rejected and sent back for revisions, 7.2 was then sent out for approvals. No matter whether 7.1, 7.2, or 7.22 was the final version that got approved, the official version is 8.0 after approval.)


Oh, and we just sent in a bug report because we discovered that non-administrative users as low as read-only access can delete approved documents in the doc control system. Also, the Legal Hold document attribute doesn't actually hold the document. People can still revise right over the top of it.

In spite of requiring passwords and account access and costing god only knows how much money, our document control system is no more secure than storing them on a loving sharepoint site. It's awful.

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
Reading this thread (while sitting at my own corporate job) makes me want to go out and learn to be a blacksmith or something.

Problem!
Jan 1, 2007

I am the queen of France.
I think I have a bulemic coworker. Every day around the same time the bathroom smells like partially digested food and it's pretty drat gross. I don't think there's anything we can do about it aside from passively aggressively leaving out flyers for eating disorder counseling, which probably wouldn't even have any effect.

I just want to be able to pee without smelling vomit.

Bookish
Sep 7, 2006

80% sexy 20% disgusting
You think that's bad, there's a lady in my building that we refer to as "swamp crotch" because of how the bathroom smells after she is done using it.

Kim Jong Il
Aug 16, 2003
Anyone here ever have to deal with ethical quandaries? I'm not in sales so it's not like I have to stretch the truth (keep low-level problems away from my bosses knowing about them so they don't freak out, yes.) However, my company is increasingly in bed with a few clients, can't name names of course, who I and probably most of the forums think are really evil. Like, a lot more than Monsanto but a lot less than Blackwater.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

Kim Jong Il posted:

Anyone here ever have to deal with ethical quandaries? I'm not in sales so it's not like I have to stretch the truth (keep low-level problems away from my bosses knowing about them so they don't freak out, yes.) However, my company is increasingly in bed with a few clients, can't name names of course, who I and probably most of the forums think are really evil. Like, a lot more than Monsanto but a lot less than Blackwater.

Said forums user Kim Jong Il.

Not really, though HR recently made everyone take an ethics test and passed out flyers and made posters about ethics.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

Golden Bear is ever watching; day by day he prowls, and when he hears the tread of lowly Stanfurd red,from his Lair he fiercely growls.
Toilet Rascal
I want to gamify JIRA. (its a slow day)




Am I a part of the problem?

Shadowhand00 fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Sep 19, 2013

Dukket
Apr 28, 2007
So I says to her, I says “LADY, that ain't OIL, its DIRT!!”
Our building is having plumbing problems. If a toilet is flushed anywhere in the building it is coming out in the lobby.

EDIT: No, that is not meant as a metaphor

EAT THE EGGS RICOLA
May 29, 2008

Shadowhand00 posted:

I want to gamify JIRA. (its a slow day)




Am I a part of the problem?

It has been done already, so go forth and make your silly achievements!

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

Dukket posted:

Our building is having plumbing problems. If a toilet is flushed anywhere in the building it is coming out in the lobby.

EDIT: No, that is not meant as a metaphor

Call your local health inspector or OSHA for some added excitement.

Higgy
Jul 6, 2005



Grimey Drawer

Higgy posted:

I'm starting to get a real sense just how alive and well Student Syndrome is among apparently professional people who are all supposedly well organized and good at their job. We asked for their input about 2 weeks ago for what budgets they need and how to allocate them to their projects and performers (labs) for the upcoming fiscal year. We asked for the input by close of business tomorrow. I'll give you guys three guesses as to how many people have responded so far and the first two don't count.

So we extended the deadline to COB today, Friday. A few people, upon hearing this, dropped the task to go do other things and didn't bother until today. One person hadn't even done anything on it and proceeded to blast me with e-mails all day about why this, that or the other thing wasn't working and the import spreadsheet isn't working and now it has to be done manually in the system. Also, this is going to take too long because he has a lot of items to put funding on and can we extend the deadline?

We put out the guidance and instructions for this input over a month ago. I barely ever got away with this poo poo when I was in school, how is that an okay thing in professional life?

But it's okay, the day is over and I have vodka.

Higgy fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Sep 21, 2013

Blue_monday
Jan 9, 2004

mind the teeth while you're going down
I am the type of person that if you give me something on Monday that is due by Friday I will have it done by Wednesday. I won't necessarily hand it in, but I hate leaving things to the last minute and then working against a deadline.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Higgy posted:

Buts it's okay, the day is over and I have vodka.

The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Ask / Tell > Business, Finance, and Careers > TPS reports and coversheets - the day is over and I have vodka.

modeski
Apr 21, 2005

Deceive, inveigle, obfuscate.
I love corporate. Every year we set out our departmental budget for the following financial year, and get all the spending approved, everything signed off. Next financial year comes, and we have to submit a business case to a committee, who either approve or deny what was already approved! And some of the committee members are real hardasses, and they'll choose to deny one out of three things on principle.

My favourite example of this was when we got approval to hire someone, but were denied the money to advertise the position.

ladyweapon
Nov 6, 2010

It reads all over his face,
like he's an Italian.
There is a client I talk to via e-mail at least once a week. She's one of those people who marks every single email, regardless of issue, as high priority. She's always polite and professional, just kind of anal. She responded to an email asking "Sara" if she could send her an update. I spent five minutes wondering who in the world Sara is until I realized she was responding to me. My name isn't Sara and includes several more letters. Responding to an email I sent her that has my full name in the signature. My email address is [firstname]@[company].com :geno:

Over the phone I understand name slip ups. But when you have time to proofread? It's just bizarre (and if you get the wrong kind of person they'll blow a gasket about it). It's a small, inconsequential gripe, but it just irked me a bit. Although it will never beat the time someone called me Max.

On the upside, my boss has taken to letting me go home early so long as I check my email every so often to make sure no clients have had major life issues that need (and can't be) resolved RIGHT NOW. I did get to spend 20 minutes on the phone with the guy who doesnt understand how date format works explaining to him how it works. The company he works for has been a client for ages and he has been with that company for over a year. Apparently, he's one of those high strung people who never calms down. He did apologize for speaking in a less-than-professional way to me last week, so good for him.

Blue_monday
Jan 9, 2004

mind the teeth while you're going down
Are you kidding? my name is Jerry, and it is plastered everywhere, including my bigger than normal font email signature, yet I still get all sorts of correspondence addressed to Gerry.

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Today I was chewed out for proposing that our company test products before we release them.

I feel like I want to add more to this, but I really can't. The suggestion that our company test products before we sell them was met with an aggressive phone call from the marketing manager.

I feel special in my ability to pinpoint exactly when I burnt out completely.

Higgy
Jul 6, 2005



Grimey Drawer

Blue_monday posted:

Are you kidding? my name is Jerry, and it is plastered everywhere, including my bigger than normal font email signature, yet I still get all sorts of correspondence addressed to Gerry.

Every other e-mail is "Brain, can you . . " or "Hey, Brain". Whenever I bring it up that they flipped the letters on my name, the response is always "just take it at as a compliment! :haw:" like it's the most original joke.

Higgy fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Sep 21, 2013

Problem!
Jan 1, 2007

I am the queen of France.
I routinely get emails with the name of our project spelled wrong. It's also spelled wrong on some official documentation. it's not a hard word to spell, either.

One time my boss introduced me on a conference call by the wrong name, it wouldn't be so bad if he had at least gotten the gender of the wrong name correct.

Blue_monday
Jan 9, 2004

mind the teeth while you're going down

Higgy posted:

Every other e-mail is "Brain, can you . . " or "Hey, Brain". Whenever I bring it up that they flipped the letters on my name, the response is always "just take it at as a compliment! :haw:" like it's the most original joke.

I don't make that mistake but I routinely spell the name Norma as Normal, and the word flu as flue. Autopilot.

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

Higgy posted:

Every other e-mail is "Brain, can you . . " or "Hey, Brain". Whenever I bring it up that they flipped the letters on my name, the response is always "just take it at as a compliment! :haw:" like it's the most original joke.

Start addressing your emails to them as Placenta or Urethra.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Higgy posted:

Every other e-mail is "Brain, can you . . " or "Hey, Brain". Whenever I bring it up that they flipped the letters on my name, the response is always "just take it at as a compliment! :haw:" like it's the most original joke.

I would have made a Pinky and the Brain joke. I step my office banter up a level. :smugbert:

defectivemonkey
Jun 5, 2012
I accidentally sent an email to someone named Kathie and addressed it Dear Katie (the name of a co-worker). I immediately emailed her back and apologized and she replied with "I didn't even notice, no one ever spells it right so it goes right by me".

As someone with a name commonly spelled at least 3 different ways (and similar to about 5 variations of the name) I also rarely give it a second thought when someone spells my name wrong. It's a bad sign when your expectations of people are that low.

Xibanya
Sep 17, 2012




Clever Betty
Yep, my name is Cathie and people get it wrong by mistake all the time. What pisses me off, however, is that at least once a year I'll meet someone who insists that I'm the one spelling it wrong. Recently a co-worker made it apparent that they must be a redditor or something by accusing me of trying to be a "special snowflake" by spelling it that way. gently caress you, my mom picked it out.

Konstantin
Jun 20, 2005
And the Lord said, "Look, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.
My last name is short, an English word in active use, and also a well-known brand name, yet people still ask how to spell it every time. I guess people are just bad with names.

Plasmafountain
Jun 17, 2008

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Plasmafountain fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Sep 29, 2019

The Aphasian
Mar 8, 2007

Psychotropic Hops


:downs:"I can't get into DatabaseApp."
:what:"Your username is your email address, did you put that in?"
:downs:"Name at Comp?"
:what:"Name at Comp dot com."
:downs:"The whole email address?"
:what:"Your username is your email address, yes."
:downs:"I also forgot my password. Can you tell me what I had it reset to last week?"
:what:"No, but I can reset it to whatever you like."
:downs:"Can't it just remember?"
:what:"What?"
:downs:"Can't it just remember my username and password? The DatabaseApp?"
:what:"No, that would negate the security of having a password."
:saddowns:"What do you mean?"
:what:"What's the good of having a lock if you leave the key in it?"
:saddowns:"Well my gmail can."
:what:"... No. I'm sorry, but I don't think it can do that. That's something your web browser can do by storing cookies. This isn't a website."
:saddowns:Okay I guess.

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST
For some reason that reminds me of the time I was working in a military office and accidentally locked my superior out of her computer by screwing up the password. She had to destroy her keycard and get a new one, and I felt like a proper idiot (because I was.)

mystes
May 31, 2006

The Aphasian posted:

:downs:"Can't it just remember?"
:what:"What?"
:downs:"Can't it just remember my username and password? The DatabaseApp?"
:what:"No, that would negate the security of having a password."
:saddowns:"What do you mean?"
:what:"What's the good of having a lock if you leave the key in it?"
:saddowns:"Well my gmail can."
:what:"... No. I'm sorry, but I don't think it can do that. That's something your web browser can do by storing cookies. This isn't a website."
:saddowns:Okay I guess.
I don't think this is really a dumb question. If the purpose of the password is authentication on a remote database server rather then preventing unauthorized access from a shared computer, there's no reason the program couldn't use Protected Storage or whatever the keychain service is called on Windows to remember it in a fashion similar to a browser.

(And actually, something like client-side certificates would probably be better than passwords in the first place. Passwords are a pretty crappy system for a lot of the uses they're put to, so I can't really blame people for hating them, especially when they're told not to write them down, forced to change them every month or whatever, and an unreasonable low number of failed login attempts causes an account to be locked down.)

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

mystes posted:

I don't think this is really a dumb question. If the purpose of the password is authentication on a remote database server rather then preventing unauthorized access from a shared computer, there's no reason the program couldn't use Protected Storage or whatever the keychain service is called on Windows to remember it in a fashion similar to a browser.

(And actually, something like client-side certificates would probably be better than passwords in the first place. Passwords are a pretty crappy system for a lot of the uses they're put to, so I can't really blame people for hating them, especially when they're told not to write them down, forced to change them every month or whatever, and an unreasonable low number of failed login attempts causes an account to be locked down.)

Not to mention that there's no standard for how usernames and passwords are formatted or what character sets are allowed. It's a giant pain in the rear end trying to remember that one program uses a username and only eight letters for the password but no punctuation and another uses a full email address, no punctuation in the password but it must have both capital and lowercase letters with numbers mixed in. And they don't tell you the formatting until after you have to reset the password anyway.

Seriously, passwords really suck.

Poop Cupcake
Dec 31, 2005

There's so many different logins to manage here at the office that I started using Password Safe to keep track of everything. It's sorta sick - there's over 40 entries just for the basic things I have to log in to all the time to get work done. Passwords become totally worthless when they become this complicated. My managers setup a lot of the accounts, too, so the passwords are all stuff like 'password' and other easy to guess words. :jerkbag:

Dr_Amazing
Apr 15, 2006

It's a long story

Zero Gravitas posted:

My surname is the currency of my nation. "My name is X, like money" is my standard script and still 90% of people get it wrong, messing up the letter at the start, or the singular instead of plural, or think that I spell my name with a z at the end.

I have the same first name as a famous actor and my last name is one letter off. I basically never have people spell it correctly.

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin
Jul 19, 2000


Oven Wrangler

Solkanar512 posted:

Not to mention that there's no standard for how usernames and passwords are formatted or what character sets are allowed. It's a giant pain in the rear end trying to remember that one program uses a username and only eight letters for the password but no punctuation and another uses a full email address, no punctuation in the password but it must have both capital and lowercase letters with numbers mixed in. And they don't tell you the formatting until after you have to reset the password anyway.

Seriously, passwords really suck.
My former employer had a system that would not tell you what the password requirements were when you were forced to reset it. That was a fun bit of trial and error.

Long password with letters only? PASSWORD DOES NOT MEET REQUIREMENTS
Short password with upper/lowercase and numbers? PASSWORD DOES NOT MEET REQUIREMENTS
Long password with upper/lowercase and numbers? PASSWORD DOES NOT MEET REQUIREMENTS
Password with upper/lowercase, numbers, and special character? PASSWORD DOES NOT MEET REQUIREMENTS
Password with upper/lowercase, numbers, and special character, and the uppercase letter is not the first one? PASSWORD SET

mystes
May 31, 2006

In most cases these password requirements are completely superfluous, too. It's not like you're actually going to be able to remotely brute force the password for a server that locks you out after 3 attempts.

Beyond some minimal level, password requirement only matters in situations where it can be brute forced (e.g. encrypting a file with a password), or where the hash/plaintext password gets stolen AND the same password is being used for other things.

ladyweapon
Nov 6, 2010

It reads all over his face,
like he's an Italian.
Crazy password requirements just end up having people write their password on a sticky note and put it on/in their desk. Especially if its a cycling thing where you have to reset your password every 90 days.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

ladyweapon posted:

Crazy password requirements just end up having people write their password on a sticky note and put it on/in their desk. Especially if its a cycling thing where you have to reset your password every 90 days.

What I've heard said is that if you have to write your password down then you should keep it in your wallet / purse. That way it's not sitting there for anyone to take, you'll take care of it, and it reinforces the idea that it's valuable if stolen.

PurpleButterfly
Nov 5, 2012

rolleyes posted:

What I've heard said is that if you have to write your password down then you should keep it in your wallet / purse. That way it's not sitting there for anyone to take, you'll take care of it, and it reinforces the idea that it's valuable if stolen.

This is what I do. I also have a lot of passwords to remember for work, and I have a little mini-notebook that I keep in my purse and use to keep track of them all. It doesn't even contain the actual passwords in plaintext, just hints and descriptions of the phrases I used to create them.

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The Aphasian
Mar 8, 2007

Psychotropic Hops


Yeah, I guess I should have included more back story.

Third time I reset password in two weeks. Each time I set it to whatever :downs: wants, only requirement is that it be at least six characters long.

:downs: is the one that helped decide that email = username.

Everytime :downs: calls about this it is presented as a veiled way to make me look up the info for them; i.e. "Can't remember my password, would it just be faster for you to look up X? It's just a quick thing."

:downs: is the same one I have complained about in the past, who barged into my office at the end of the day to print out three copies of a spreadsheet for them because they were too busy.

:downs: "Oh, and here you go, I printed out a copy of the spreadsheet so you can see how it's formatted. Oh, you can't find it on the network drive? I mustn't of saved it then, I'll run back and do that so you can print it."

So I followed them to their desk and hit CTRL-P, set it to three copies, hit enter and walked out without waiting for a response.

So, yeah, not too big a deal on it's own, but it's the accumulation which annoys me.

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