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Caganer posted:do we really think that post Issei Sagawa such a thing will happen? The French and Danish justice systems are very, very different.
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Rehabilitate this *headbutts submarine loser*
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Jul 20, 2018 15:59
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Caganer posted:do we really think that post Issei Sagawa such a thing will happen? that guy hasn't killed anyone else, so I dunno what point you're trying to make 17 years on prison with no weird porn, nazi snuff parties, or hookups with women who get turned on by murder roleplay might be just what he needs to be found sane again. or maybe not, in which case he'll be kept locked away. edit: Krankenstyle posted:The French and Danish justice systems are very, very different. Klyith fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Jul 20, 2018 |
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Jul 20, 2018 16:01
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Krankenstyle posted:The supreme court appeal Nitpicking, but the case will be heard by the "landsret", the 2nd layer in the hierarchy. The supreme court is the 3rd.
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Jul 20, 2018 16:03
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Per posted:Nitpicking, but the case will be heard by the "landsret", the 2nd layer in the hierarchy. The supreme court is the 3rd. poo poo you're right. Thanks!  I don't think he'll be able to appeal further anyway though?
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Jul 20, 2018 16:18
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Caganer posted:do we really think that post Issei Sagawa such a thing will happen? I sincerely doubt he will ever see the outside of the cell, but it's a founding notion of our justice system that literally anyone can be rehabilitated. Giving someone like Madsen or Breivik a fair trial and a theoretical road to redemption does a lot to give Scandinavians faith in their respective justice systems, even if they're still flawed on a lot of the lower rungs of criminality.
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Jul 20, 2018 16:31
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Caganer posted:do we really think that post Issei Sagawa such a thing will happen? To be fair that dude hasn't done any murdering or cannabalizing since he was released. but also he was released due to administrative bullshit more than anything else. e: somehow missed the post that already said this
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Jul 20, 2018 16:34
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Krankenstyle posted:poo poo you're right. Thanks! Probably not. He can try, but Procesbevillingsnævnet decides what cases can go to the supreme court, and it is usually only cases where there is a principle at stake.
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Per posted:Probably not. He can try, but Procesbevillingsnævnet decides what cases can go to the supreme court, and it is usually only cases where there is a principle at stake. Yeah, his only real chance of getting it through to Supreme Court is if he argues that getting life for just one murder is unprecedented. And well, I don't believe in his chances.
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Jul 20, 2018 17:30
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Krankenstyle posted:Submarine Psycho Madsen appealed the sentencing, not the verdict; ie. he is hoping for a finite term instead of the sentence of life (life convicts serve on average 17 years) + forvaring that he got. The supreme court appeal is scheduled for September 5, 12, & 14 this year. Since it was discussed that it is similar to the one we have in Finland, the guy is locked up in a prison/mental asylum until he is clinically a vegetable or confined to a bed rest for the rest of his short life left. So life in prison, literally. Bonus: You may or may not be considered a person while in forced custody for the criminally insane; there is a good chance that the nation will be your custodian and sole guardian, and you will have no legal rights whatsoever, besides some UN-mandated stuff. Normally here, even the prisoners get to vote in the elections and request some services or other stuff. Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Jul 20, 2018 |
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Jul 20, 2018 18:42
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Der Kyhe posted:Since it was discussed that it is similar to the one we have in Finland, the guy is locked up in a prison/mental asylum until he is clinically a vegetable or confined to a bed rest for the rest of his short life left. So life in prison, literally. Does that dude still have sauna access?
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Jul 20, 2018 19:01
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I'm fairly sure those sentenced to forvaring don't lose their legal personhood. In crimincal cases it is afaik only done to the non compos mentis ("of unsound mind", for whom there is a separate "anbringelse"/placement sentence that is basically forvaring but in a mental hospital instead of a special prison). In any case, it entails losing your right to vote in national elections but retaining your right to vote locally, and someone will be your appointed guardian in financial matters. I think it's mostly done in cases of senile dementia, profound mental retardation, and severe psychosis.
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Jul 20, 2018 19:04
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Caganer posted:do we really think that post Issei Sagawa such a thing will happen? Absolutely not. That guy fell through a bureaucratic crack along international, inter-jurisdictional administration lines. Unless wacky murder Madsen had surreptitiously established a tiny, secret, undisclosed but also UN recognized underwater nation with a case for extradition prior, there's zero domain confusion or contention about the legitimacy of the Danish state authority in the criminal trial, sentencing and incarceration.
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frumpykvetchbot posted:Absolutely not. That guy fell through a bureaucratic crack along international, inter-jurisdictional administration lines. Unless wacky murder Madsen had surreptitiously established a tiny, secret, undisclosed but also UN recognized underwater nation with a case for extradition prior, there's zero domain confusion or contention about the legitimacy of the Danish state authority in the criminal trial, sentencing and incarceration. Is a man not entitled to the dungeon of his sub?
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Jul 21, 2018 08:03
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When I saw new posts I thought we have some Madsen-Musk-sub crossover action going on.
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Jul 21, 2018 10:09
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Well, they both built murder subs, so...
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Jul 21, 2018 11:37
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Also, both were sub-par.
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Jul 21, 2018 11:59
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Ugeskrift for Læger (Danish Weekly Journal of Medicine) has a interview with the head of the autopsies you know the case is hosed when that word is pluralized  of Wall. She keeps it very professional in the interview, but it appears to have been a challenging autopsy due to the amount of time the remains spent in the water, and the destructive nature of the investigations.Available in Bork here.
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It's been about a year. The appeal case is in about a month. I wasn't planning on writing any more in this thread but a couple of things came up. Three days ago, PM's Facebook profile suddenly resurfaced. It had been de-activated and apparently vanished within the first two weeks of the murder. The de-activation prevented his friends and acquaintances from updating their friend status until now. Within the first few hours the friend count adjusted southwards and is currently somewhere below 400. It used to be higher. A delegated, anonymous proxy re-activated his account and posted the following:  Peter has no email or internet but has access to postal mail. He is no doubt bored and apparently want some pen pals. So now everyone knows which prison he's stashed in. This was not generally known prior. Storstrøm Fængsel is a brand new high security prison built in the And today it is revealed that Peter was assaulted by a fellow inmate. He was briefly hospitalized with facial injuries.. This happened on Wednesday, the day after his FB proxy post. Who knew social media for murderers was so complicated. e: FALSTER frumpykvetchbot fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Aug 11, 2018 |
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Aug 10, 2018 09:24
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steve nigg strikes again. someone commute that man's sentence!!
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Aug 10, 2018 10:51
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i mean was he assaulted because of women's rights or gym territorial rights
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Aug 10, 2018 11:22
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the police say they have "an idea of the motive"
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Aug 10, 2018 11:25
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"To stop him talking about submarines" is a reasonable motive on and of itself
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Aug 10, 2018 11:48
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Watch him get a bunch of fan mail from female admirers
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Aug 10, 2018 12:31
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frumpykvetchbot posted:And today it is revealed that Peter was assaulted by a fellow inmate. He was briefly hospitalized with facial injuries.. This happened on Wednesday, the day after his FB proxy post. Sounds like he got subdued. Can't believe it's been a year. gently caress you Madsen
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I like that the theme of loltastic spelling continues. And Storstrøm Fængsel is on Falster, but still brand new and in the middle of nowhere.
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Phlegmish posted:Watch him get a bunch of fan mail from female admirers I mean he already has that weirdo ride or die chick who defended him at the trial maybe she can kill the new ones out of jealousy
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Whoever did that proxy post missed a chance to begin with ‘this is the death of Facebook Madsen, please write to...’
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Aug 13, 2018 04:55
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Court today.
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Krankenstyle posted:Court today. Yeah, me too.
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Sep 5, 2018 08:36
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Nice piece of fish posted:Yeah, me too. Oh hi Peter. How's it hanging? 
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Sep 5, 2018 08:50
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Nice piece of fish posted:Yeah, me too. 
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They're talking about damages. He was sentenced to pay 120k dkk to Wall's boyfriend, and 33k dkk to the Danish coastguard (for putting out a marker buoy during the recovery of the sunken submarine). Cheapskate-Madsen contests the former, but not the latter. Also, the parents of Wall and the boyfriend each asked for 150k in damages but the lower court rejected the parents' claim entirely as Wall was no longer living at home.
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Sep 5, 2018 11:38
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   Devolution timeline datapoints.
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Sep 5, 2018 13:07
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Isn't he broke as gently caress and more or less bankrupt anyway? What good are damage awards if the guy is broke and also going to be in jail forever and thus unlikely to be able to earn and pay it off.
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Sep 5, 2018 13:55
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Inmates can earn about 10DKK/hour doing some light production, so he could in theory pay off the 150k in a bit more than 5 years.
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Inmates have to work/go to school 37 hrs per week, both of which are paid (albeit a measy amount). They also get an allowance to buy food & clothes etc. The intent is for their stay to be similar to the outside world. In total it's not very much though & it would take years to save up 100k. As for why? Why not?
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Lima posted:Oh hi Peter. How's it hanging? Wouldn't be sad if he hanged. Anyway, done with court for today, what's Madsen up to Krankenstyle posted:They're talking about damages.  Yeah. Wow, that's worth the high court's time. Honestly I'm not sure that amount would be above the minimum threshold to have a hearing on where I practice, so this is really just an annoyance to a high court judge I'd imagine. Hope they up it.
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Nice piece of fish posted:Wouldn't be sad if he hanged. Wow that’s like $23K US. I don’t know what the dollar value of your loved one being horribly murdered is but it should be more than that.
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what if theyre not loved but merely tolerated at best?
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