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PantsBandit posted:I don't think there's a correlation between video games and real life violence but I do think there's one between people who play sniper classes and mental illness. or people just enjoy sniping in a shooter, because it's fun
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If you're looking for an experience where you get to be completely removed from the action or any threat of danger while occasionally clicking on something might I recommend "Minesweeper".
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Apr 24, 2017 19:05
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Chill friendo, snipers are fine.
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Apr 24, 2017 19:07
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Spudd posted:Chill friendo, snipers are fine. Hmm...I'm not feeling particularly unchill. However I do disagree and think shooters would all drastically benefit from completely removing sniper rifles. I'm of the opinion that the fewer instances of going 100% to dead instantaneously the better.
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Apr 24, 2017 19:10
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Actually all shooters would become less fun because the fundamental concept of 'positioning' would comepletely become meaningless because of the way almost every FPS map ever is designed. Snipers are in these games to teach that every combat encounter has 30 'good' angles and probably only 2-3 'correct' angles. Like ok, we're poking this Roadhog, we're harrassing this Zen, this is eas-BOOM HEADSHOT oh well thats 100% my fault for standing out in the open and assuming I was safe. Without sniping you also remove the idea of range from being multi-dimensional to binary (Melee and bullets) and that makes the game more predictable, and unpredictability is probably Overwatch's biggest positive over any other shooter right now. Snipers are fun: Learn2Snipe
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Apr 24, 2017 19:14
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Zenyatta is my favorite sniper
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Apr 24, 2017 19:15
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i like playing lucio and zen a lot just because of their audio cues and reload/attack/doin stuff animations
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Apr 24, 2017 19:17
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The removal of one shot kill sniper rifles doesn't necessitate the removal of heroes that benefit from long sight lines so yeah I don't buy that argument at all.Dr Cheeto posted:Zenyatta is my favorite sniper Zen is a great way to actually make a sniper class interesting. He supports his teammates in ways other than just killing things and is vulnerable enough that he has to keep moving to stay alive.
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Apr 24, 2017 19:18
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Woops double post
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Apr 24, 2017 19:19
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Parachute posted:i like playing lucio and zen a lot just because of their audio cues and reload/attack/doin stuff animations Zenyatta has my favorite melee attack
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Apr 24, 2017 19:21
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zen heeds a move where he claps his hands together and does that thing where you push your middle fingers down and spin your hands and wiggle your fingers. maybe a victory pose? first person transcendence thing?
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Apr 24, 2017 19:23
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imo remove zen's ability to jump and give him the ability to float horizontally
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Apr 24, 2017 19:27
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turtlecrunch posted:We also have a few other experiments going on. Jeff shot a guy into space and is forcing him to watch bad Twitch streamers until he goes insane?
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Apr 24, 2017 19:41
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PantsBandit posted:Hmm...I'm not feeling particularly unchill. However I do disagree and think shooters would all drastically benefit from completely removing sniper rifles. I'm of the opinion that the fewer instances of going 100% to dead instantaneously the better. Most snipers in Overwatch, like most players in general, aren't actually overwhelmingly good or even very good so all you need to do is play marginally better than the average Widowmaker and they're essentially handicapping the enemy team for you.
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Apr 24, 2017 19:57
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@Jeff Kaplan; please make it so that when you put discord orb on Widowmaker her sights are replaced with an image of Zenyatta's face staring at her and he can't emote or anything but you can tell, you can feel how disappointed he is in you
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Apr 24, 2017 20:31
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Armacham posted:Zenyatta has my favorite melee attack Kicking people to death is the best. Among my favorites to kick into oblivion a Mercy, Reaper, and Roadhog.
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Apr 24, 2017 20:57
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Armacham posted:Zenyatta has my favorite melee attack My favorite thing to do with pubs is tell them Zenyatta has a special bullet decal when he kicks a wall. I get around two or three people to watch and as I kick the wall, I spray down his spray which is his foot kicking something.
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Apr 24, 2017 21:57
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Bruceski posted:Jeff shot a guy into space and is forcing him to watch bad Twitch streamers until he goes insane? I knew they changed some things to make the reboot relevant, but dang they really went the extra mile didn't they?
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Apr 24, 2017 22:00
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PantsBandit posted:I don't think there's a correlation between video games and real life violence but I do think there's one between people who play sniper classes and mental illness.  http://mashable.com/2017/04/24/overwatch-pro-racist/#cbRnRL4_rOqT
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Apr 24, 2017 22:50
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Wildtortilla posted:Kicking people to death is the best. Among my favorites to kick into oblivion a Mercy, Reaper, and Roadhog. i kicked a riptire once i bout nearly had a goddamn heart attack but the tire died and i did not
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Apr 25, 2017 00:13
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Big Mad Drongo posted:I knew they changed some things to make the reboot relevant, but dang they really went the extra mile didn't they? Nah, Kinga considered that one too unethical.
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Apr 25, 2017 00:23
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So is there actually a way to get past this "your team killed five of them and then Mercy came out of her hole and revived them all" thing that doesn't involve being a top-tier flanker/sniper?
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Apr 25, 2017 03:50
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Bleck posted:So is there actually a way to get past this "your team killed five of them and then Mercy came out of her hole and revived them all" thing that doesn't involve being a top-tier flanker/sniper? Either find and kill the Mercy as a preventative measure, or kill everyone again. As a Mercy player, please do not find me and shoot me.
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Apr 25, 2017 04:00
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Takoluka posted:Either find and kill the Mercy as a preventative measure, or kill everyone again. It feels really good to dive a mercy, especially a hiding one, though
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Apr 25, 2017 04:04
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Keep track of her as you are approaching the team fight (she's at one end of the glowing beam), play Mercy yourself so you learn the typical hiding spots. Advanced tactic: get your team to a) reserve ults for a group push and not just blow them whenever, b) reserve ults even more in the actual fight until you know she is dead. Ex. Earthshatter, kill 3 or 4, she rezzes, use grav+tracer bomb.
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Apr 25, 2017 04:04
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Bleck posted:So is there actually a way to get past this "your team killed five of them and then Mercy came out of her hole and revived them all" thing that doesn't involve being a top-tier flanker/sniper? You don't have to be a "top-tier" flanker you just have to be better than the Mercy.  Or, if you start succeeding, better than the McCree who will hover over her like a vulture waiting for you to show up. e: Also note that you don't have to kill Mercy to succeed as a flanker, if you stop her from healing her team you're doing work and if you make her run out in the open where EVERYONE can shoot her you've done your job.
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Apr 25, 2017 04:38
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Whenever you're fighting a team with a Mercy on it you should pretty much treat every fight you have with them like they've got a rez in the pocket, except for immediately after they rez. It won't always be true but fighting as though it is won't really do you wrong. Especially look for ways to be economical with ults...if your team blows three ults to wipe everyone but Mercy and Mercy uses one ult to undo all of it then you've hosed up.
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Apr 25, 2017 05:08
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Kai Tave posted:Whenever you're fighting a team with a Mercy on it you should pretty much treat every fight you have with them like they've got a rez in the pocket, except for immediately after they rez. It won't always be true but fighting as though it is won't really do you wrong. Especially look for ways to be economical with ults...if your team blows three ults to wipe everyone but Mercy and Mercy uses one ult to undo all of it then you've hosed up. Tldr: shoot the medic first everything about this game is a war crime already from the non-uniformed military forces to the child soldier figleaf to the weird militarized genetic hybrid gorilla to the several uses of poison gas or liquid chemical agents, the god drat nazi who hits people with a hammer (who is also physically handicapped with his short stature), and the clearly unethical usage of elderly combatants under the excuse that they said they wanted to fight. FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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Apr 25, 2017 06:40
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Yeah also like even if Mercy doesn't have a Rez, they don't have heals anymore.
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Apr 25, 2017 07:12
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Bust Rodd posted:Yeah also like even if Mercy doesn't have a Rez, they don't have heals anymore. Or a bigass damage boost. Shooting medics is like the best thing you can do for your team if you're thinking of tradeoffs, outside obvious poo poo like needing to skip shooting the medic so you can shut down an ult and nobody else can take care of the ult.
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Apr 25, 2017 08:12
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While I do not wish to undermine the value of the advice given, I feel like "shoot Mercy" is perhaps lacking in strategical clarity
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Apr 25, 2017 08:14
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Bleck posted:While I do not wish to undermine the value of the advice given, I feel like "shoot Mercy" is perhaps lacking in strategical clarity Shoot the mercy unless doing so will allow another enemy to kill you or multiple teammates.
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Apr 25, 2017 08:24
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Bleck posted:While I do not wish to undermine the value of the advice given, I feel like "shoot Mercy" is perhaps lacking in strategical clarity You sound like someone who doesn't shoot Mercy in general, no mercy for Mercy's.
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Apr 25, 2017 08:36
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I mean, there's a whole other five peeps who are generally gonna be in my way (most of the time, one of them is Reinhardt, you know?), and almost all of the maps are built around chokepoints. I get that "shoot Mercy" makes sense, but what I read is "shoot Mercy [once everyone else is dead, since that seems the only way to get a clear shot]". And then Mercy revives everyone, which leads to the same question. So, more broad questions - what are good ways to get around the team to get to Mercy first? And barring that, any advice on how to play Genji/Tracer/Sombra?
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Apr 25, 2017 08:49
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Bleck posted:I mean, there's a whole other five peeps who are generally gonna be in my way (most of the time, one of them is Reinhardt, you know?), and almost all of the maps are built around chokepoints. I get that "shoot Mercy" makes sense, but what I read is "shoot Mercy [once everyone else is dead, since that seems the only way to get a clear shot]". And then Mercy revives everyone, which leads to the same question. Genji is for kill confirms and harassment, Tracer is for engaging and kill confirms, and Sombra is for engaging and harassment. As Genji you're going to have a hard time getting a Mercy down by yourself while Tracer and Sombra are perfect for taking care of Mercy because they have the tools available to safely get behind enemy lines and to begin picking off or disabling the Mercy. A good gauge for determining what counters a class the hardest is what players of that class complain the most about. Mercy players tend to tell me my Tracer and Sombra are very frustrating, so something must be going right.
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"Shoot mercy" means that she's your top priority, but good positioning and good trades are still important and you shouldn't place yourself in a bad place just to try and shoot a Mercy. If you are Sombra or Tracer you try to beeline to Mercy when she's in a bad position. Tracer can wreck her extremely fast and Sombra can hack her and make her lose her otherwise really good escape. As Genji you do your usual Genji stuff: try to land a combo on her, but getting to her can prove challenging. Do remember that she has to be closer than Ana to heal, so if you harass someone outside of her effective range and force her to fly to them, you can try and switch to her (but it's a 1v2 now so probably just run). As anyone else, just keep an eye on her during teamfights. Try not to lose her: there's usually a beam somewhere that tells you where she's at. Sometimes targeting is not the right move, but she WILL have to peek to keep healing/boosting, and when she does you need to be in a position you can take advantage of. If you're a hitscan (or good with projectiles) hitting her as she flies to a teammate is easy on the lower ranks. I bet part of the reason why Blinky recommends turning toggle GA off is so you can let go and be less predictable when flying larger distances. And as someone else said: unless she just used it, always asume there's a rez available. She can charge it surprisingly fast if your team isn't great at comfirming kills. A bad rez is actually great for your team so if you can't kill her, at least try to position yourself in a favorable way for the oncoming rez (if, for instance, you can get high ground and overlook Ana's body, you might have an easy pick). (I'm high plat so take my advice with a grain of salt: I'm bad)
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Something that's fun to do is to force out an early rez. I'll usually wait until someone has died in a fight, jump to where she is (using winston in this scenario) and start shocking. She'll rez to get out of it, she'll still probably die and its early enough in the teamfight that your team probably has a few ults left.
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Apr 25, 2017 09:33
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dogstile posted:Something that's fun to do is to force out an early rez. I'll usually wait until someone has died in a fight, jump to where she is (using winston in this scenario) and start shocking. She'll rez to get out of it, she'll still probably die and its early enough in the teamfight that your team probably has a few ults left. Can confirm, this is fun as hell if you pull it off. It relies on having a character that can move to put pressure on Mercy right as picks start happening in order to force the player to make a snap decision, which Winston is very good at.
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Apr 25, 2017 10:06
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Honestly my biggest issue is the timing for when the invulnerability wears off. I've missed so many pulse bombs whiffing it through them half a second before the invulnerability is done.
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Winston or Sombra are great for distracting the backline or to pin down Mercy, which can make openings for the rest of the team to kill her off. Honestly Sombra can be pretty great for big brawls for that reason - EMP the team, then while the rest of your team is cleaning up go hunt down Mercy if she wasn't in the radius and either hack or kill her.
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