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Why can't they just let Vision have a family? 
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Aug 11, 2016 11:17
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Malachite_Dragon posted:Why can't they just let Vision have a family? Because several people are dead as a result.
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Aug 11, 2016 12:49
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Because Tom King watched Revolutionary Road last year and goddammit he wants you to know about it.
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Aug 11, 2016 12:53
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If you had told me two years ago that watching a family of hyperlogical, unemotional, expressionless robots stumble through the grieving process would be enough to make me cry... Ok, I probably would have believed you, because that's a drat good premise. Mining some grade A loving melancholy there.
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Aug 11, 2016 16:28
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The part that got me was the "Is it good? Am I good?"
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Aug 11, 2016 17:43
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:When we last left our heroes in More Than Meets The Eye, they had received a super duper power up to help them in one last flailing charge against completely insurmountable odds. It didn't work, and it didn't work out for poor Ravage I don't understand the context for "Don't change back". Is he saying Don't be autobot, or the opposite?
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Aug 11, 2016 22:17
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MisterBibs posted:I don't understand the context for "Don't change back". Is he saying Don't be autobot, or the opposite? I could see good arguments for either and I think that's part of what makes it a great story.
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Aug 11, 2016 22:41
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MisterBibs posted:I don't understand the context for "Don't change back". Is he saying Don't be autobot, or the opposite? I think he's saying don't become the monster you were again, as Ravage's arc for most of the last 30 odd issues has been for Megatron to show him just what sort of hosed up ideology Decepticonism was, and his death at the hands of that ideal at its most twisted sealed it for him
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Aug 12, 2016 08:21
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Alacron posted:You know, after debating for a while I decided "gently caress it, I'll post Mooncomix* if I want to" And then when he finally steps onto the field for the first time... 
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Aug 12, 2016 11:05
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:I think he's saying don't become the monster you were again, as Ravage's arc for most of the last 30 odd issues has been for Megatron to show him just what sort of hosed up ideology Decepticonism was, and his death at the hands of that ideal at its most twisted sealed it for him The sad thing is how much Megatron's original ideals didn't need to be perverted like that, but Megs felt like he needed to resort to horrible methods and recruit tons of shitheads to get the job done and then kill them all afterwards. Hard to fight for peace "till the function of a weapon is inconceivable" and all of that when more than half your forces are such scumbags. Funny how most of the assholes pre-war ended up joining the Decepticon cause. Ratbat, Lobe, Macabre, etc.
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Aug 12, 2016 11:21
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I'm curious now; how often have the 'ideals of Deceptionism' been really gone into? Is this the first time?
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Aug 12, 2016 13:23
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Bloodly posted:I'm curious now; how often have the 'ideals of Deceptionism' been really gone into? Is this the first time? pretty much yes. Megatron formed the Decepticons because at the time Cybertron was ruled by a government that stated that what you turned into determined your job for life and your position in society and there was no upward movement - if you turned into a drill, you were working class and if you're a microscope you're very much middle class, etc. It's why Whirl looks like he does - he turns into a helicopter but wanted to be a watchmaker and when the government found out, they ripped his head and hands off and replaced them with a single blinking light and claws. Megatron knew this wasn't fair and told everyone that they "were being deceived" but because the government's grip was so total and fear of change so prevalent, he had to resort to violence to achieve his aims. And that's a lot of words about toys that change into things
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Aug 12, 2016 20:11
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Basically the decepticons were totally right that the regime in charge needed to die horribly They did take it a step to far, because Megatron is also a mechanical supremacist and started eradicating organic life throughout the galaxy when he had an army to help accomplish it. Even when they were portraying a group of Decepticons positively (scavengers debut) and Fulcrum makes a speech about how the Decepticons have gotten away from their founding ideals... those founding ideals still include eliminating inferior species. There's a parallel universe where Megatron didn't have a rebellion, and it's a loving nightmare, but some Autobots think that it might be better because there's also no war and no one else besides Cybertron is suffering from it.
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Aug 12, 2016 20:17
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So basically, autobots are utilitarianists? 
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Aug 12, 2016 20:21
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Acne Rain posted:Basically the decepticons were totally right that the regime in charge needed to die horribly The only thing I don't get about this is, who the hell are the watchmakers? Is the energon bars ran by transformers that turn into kegs? It doesn't really make any sense but it's just a comic I should really just relax blah blah.
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Aug 13, 2016 00:23
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I haven't gotten that far with the IDW TF comics yet, but am I right in that Megs means 'deceived' in that a Transformer's alt-mode isn't immutable? Like, if you really wanna be a soldier and you start off as a sailboat, you could totally find a way to become a tank, so the caste system is BS?
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Aug 13, 2016 00:52
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Gaz-L posted:I haven't gotten that far with the IDW TF comics yet, but am I right in that Megs means 'deceived' in that a Transformer's alt-mode isn't immutable? Like, if you really wanna be a soldier and you start off as a sailboat, you could totally find a way to become a tank, so the caste system is BS? sort of. Basically if you turn into a tank, congrats you're a soldier and that's what you'll be forever. Want to be a medic? Well, you can't because tanks aren't ambulances and that's just the way it works. Megatron's initial premise was: why can't a tank be a medic? Why can't a microscope be a miner? Actually, these explain it better:   
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Aug 13, 2016 00:57
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there's also two manners of construction in the IDWverse, one natural(ie coming from the life giving supercomputer at the heart of Cybertron) and one not(splicing new sparks from the Matrix of Leadership and putting them in newly constructed bodies) which is another form of racism. Then the government chops off your hands and face, lobotomizes you, or both if they decide you're out of line or are "a dangerous criminal".  No one is safe. After a senator helps Orion Pax(Optomus Prime pre-war) fight the corrupt ruling class and prepares him to be a huge agent of progressive change, they finally get his hands on him and...well...that's the first time you find out the senator's name:  Yeesh.
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Aug 13, 2016 01:07
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Didn't the original transformers only turn into things because it let them hide among humans or something? Like why would an alien robot species turn into an earth firetruck.
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Aug 13, 2016 01:31
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Lurdiak posted:Didn't the original transformers only turn into things because it let them hide among humans or something? Nope. In the old cartoon, Transformation was invented as a trump card during the war before it moved off of Cybertron. Most continuities give them alien, "pre-Earth" modes. It's just a lucky coincidence small organic alien races happen to use vehicles perfect for Transformers disguising themselves as. Although considering almost every Transformer is immediately recognizable for only using one form ever or has their faction logo stamped clearly on their altmode, I don't know about the whole robots in disguise aspect of the franchise.
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Aug 13, 2016 01:35
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This sounds really complicated. I'm glad I was a ninja turtle fan instead.
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Aug 13, 2016 01:36
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Lurdiak posted:This sounds really complicated. I'm glad I was a ninja turtle fan instead.   the first TMNT movie was my favorite of all time as a kid, but then, so was Batman & Robin
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Aug 13, 2016 01:39
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Man I just got done watching those seasons yesterday, let me recover in peace.
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Aug 13, 2016 02:04
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That's actually really loving solid sci-fi. Weird to have it come from a franchise designed to sell toys.
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Aug 13, 2016 02:26
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The first TMNT movie is legit good, the rest completely change tone and aren't.
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Aug 13, 2016 06:19
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Turtles! Transform, and cowabunga.
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Aug 13, 2016 07:16
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Captain Bravo posted:Turtles! Transform, and cowabunga. No, that would be Superman Legend. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL7UefNuvX8
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Aug 13, 2016 09:46
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VanSandman posted:That's actually really loving solid sci-fi. The Transformers wiki is like the only one I've seen with a hint of self-awareness and tongue-in-cheek. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/To_sell_toys
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Aug 13, 2016 09:58
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Pureauthor posted:The Transformers wiki is like the only one I've seen with a hint of self-awareness and tongue-in-cheek.  lmao
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Aug 13, 2016 10:15
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The only time the "to sell toys" aspect bothers me is when it's used as an excuse to kill characters off
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Aug 13, 2016 10:59
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Pureauthor posted:The Transformers wiki is like the only one I've seen with a hint of self-awareness and tongue-in-cheek. I'd call it 'the weight of years of obsession' except there are other fandoms about as long that are 'all 'just the facts'(Which it should be, if it hopes to be an encyclopedia), but without the extra humour value. I wonder what it is? I don't go in for extra humour, but what they've done there works more often than not, without needing to be crass or anything.
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Aug 13, 2016 11:10
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Self-awareness among the Transformers fandom is probably a good thing and I would love it for other fandoms to follow their example.
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Aug 13, 2016 19:47
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qntm posted:Self-awareness among the Transformers fandom is probably a good thing and I would love it for other fandoms to follow their example. Your ignorance of how loving terrible the TF fandom can be is enviable.
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Aug 14, 2016 04:56
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Rhyno posted:Your ignorance of how loving terrible the TF fandom can be is enviable. Well then, I'm just glad they don't let that terribleness seep through into their wiki too much. 
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Aug 14, 2016 16:35
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It's because the wiki was spearheaded by mediocre webcomic guy David Willis, who has a lot of flaws but is pretty good at the whole self awareness/self depreciation thing.
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Aug 15, 2016 01:39
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The terribad part of the fandom is situated on TFW2005 and various FB groups.
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Aug 15, 2016 01:42
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A touching Warhammer 40,000 comic?  Who would have thought. No idea the source, or if it's just a fan webomic thing.Spoiler because apparently some people don't twig to it: The one talking is the Machine Spirit of the Bolt Pistol being left behind.  and  for gore and such but I shouldn't need to tell you that, it's WH40K.
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Aug 15, 2016 03:22
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Maybe it's because I'm not terribly into 40k, but I kind of liked this better before the twist.
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Aug 15, 2016 22:38
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Thats kinda butts
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Well I didn't have any Transformers trivia knowledge to contribute
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