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Hihohe posted:It still blows my mind man. I can only assume 100% of them were raised in Minnesota and Wisconsin or some poo poo.
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# ? Apr 1, 2024 22:24 |
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# ? May 31, 2024 01:54 |
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Hihohe posted:It still blows my mind man. At least one, duh: Ralph Wiggum
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# ? Apr 1, 2024 23:04 |
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HappyCapybaraFamily posted:It is tough. You just have to try harder.
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# ? Apr 1, 2024 23:08 |
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PittTheElder posted:I can only assume 100% of them were raised in Minnesota and Wisconsin or some poo poo. Given the Vikings propensity for playoff disappointment, that makes it take on a different connotation. CPColin posted:At least one, duh: Ralph Wiggum
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# ? Apr 1, 2024 23:23 |
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# ? Apr 2, 2024 01:08 |
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More molememes please
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# ? Apr 2, 2024 02:30 |
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Wayne Knight posted:More molememes please
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# ? Apr 2, 2024 04:19 |
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ultrafilter posted:Found on Simpsons Bortposting: I feel like this scene should see more use in poo poo posting than it does.
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# ? Apr 2, 2024 05:24 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiggr4sicGI You all aware of the Steamed Hams Speed-running scene? He says you'd need TAS to do any better, but I bet a bit could be shaved off.
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# ? Apr 2, 2024 06:44 |
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Hihohe posted:It still blows my mind man. The confusion is understandable, because the line in the show mirrors a conventional syntactic structure which is used to convey one's relationship to an abstract discipline in other contexts. If I say, "Oh boy, philosophy! That's where I'm a champion!", or "Oh boy, break dancing! That's where I'm a beast!", it's clear that the anaphoric phrase "that's where" denotes a general field of activity rather than some concrete activity, and that the direct object of the main clause is to be understood metaphorically rather than as a direct identity claim. Transposing this structure onto Ralph Wiggum's utterance generates the same set of expectations (i.e. that "sleep" is a general field of activity, and that "viking" is a metaphor). While the process by which novel metaphors are understood in practice would require a separate post all of its own, they typically depend on the audience recognising the most salient elements of the concept evoked by the vehicle of the metaphor (i.e. "viking") and how they might aptly be applied the tenor of the metaphor (i.e. the discipline of "sleep"). If one understands that the properties of, say, strength and power are highly salient to the concept of "viking", then one interprets the metaphor as suggesting that Ralph is strong and powerful at sleeping; i.e., he is very good at it. The fact that "viking" is not a conventional metaphor doesn't prevent such a metaphorical implicature from falling out of the utterance as it is produced in the context of the show. The problem here is that the main clause appears to imply an identity claim when taken literally (i.e. "I'm a viking" suggests on a literal reading that Ralph is actually viking) which viewers recognise as nonsensical in context (i.e. it is clear to the viewer that Ralph is not, in fact, a viking) which presses them almost automatically into metaphorical interpretation to make sense of the claim (i.e. Ralph is strong and powerful at sleeping). This could have been avoided if the writers had included a modal operator ("Oh boy, sleep! That's where I can be a viking!") or a causitive form (Oh boy, sleep! That's where I get to be a viking!") so as to make it clear that "being a viking" is an affordance generated by the process of sleep, rather than a metaphorical identity claim. Of course, it could be argued that Ralph, in the context of the show, is not sophisticated enough to semantically distinguish these different structures (i.e. perhaps he really does believe himself to become a viking during the act of sleep, which is why he phrases it this way) but I still believe that there is a way that the writers could have avoided the ambiguity of the original line, while remaining true to the fundamental naivete of Ralph's character. Namely, they could have had him say, "Oh boy, sleep! That's when I am a viking!". The use of the pronoun "when" in this context makes it clear that Ralph's being a viking is contingent upon some concrete, temporal process (as opposed to the more abstract reading of "sleep" evoked by the original line) which makes it easier for the viewers to recognise that Ralph believes himself to become a viking while sleeping (i.e. because that is what he dreams about) instead of being a viking at sleeping (which the original structure, on a plausible reading, appears to imply). Boy I sure hope someone was fired for that blunder.
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# ? Apr 2, 2024 09:34 |
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Uh-huh, and what does the canon (Quebecois) dub say?
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# ? Apr 2, 2024 09:41 |
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Arbite posted:Uh-huh, and what does the canon (Quebecois) dub say? The French dub literalises the metaphorical interpretation that Ralph is strong at sleeping, also using "ou" ("where") in place of "quand" ("when") in line with the English original: Oh chic, dormir! C'est là où je suis le plus fort!
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20 years ago? That seems… Wait. (Checks IMDB)
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posters 20 years ago: I don't get it, they put Aragorn's head in a Simpsons scene? Where's Insanity Wolf and Bad Luck Brian?
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loquacius posted:posters 20 years ago: I don't get it, they put Aragorn's head in a Simpsons scene? Where's Insanity Wolf and Bad Luck Brian?
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From r/simpsonsshitposting
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HappyCapybaraFamily posted:It is tough. You just have to try harder. (love it, even though I'm a Ralph metaphorist)
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Blurred posted:The French dub literalises the metaphorical interpretation that Ralph is strong at sleeping, also using "ou" ("where") in place of "quand" ("when") in line with the English original: Exactly! Why do people think Ralph knows what he's talking about? He believes that being a Viking at something is like being a champ. Because he's wrong, and that's funny!
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# ? Apr 2, 2024 23:05 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kar3E2qkYrM
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# ? Apr 2, 2024 23:20 |
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drat, always the meme thread.
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# ? Apr 3, 2024 00:53 |
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Blurred posted:The confusion is understandable, because the line in the show mirrors a conventional syntactic structure which is used to convey one's relationship to an abstract discipline in other contexts. If I say, "Oh boy, philosophy! That's where I'm a champion!", or "Oh boy, break dancing! That's where I'm a beast!", it's clear that the anaphoric phrase "that's where" denotes a general field of activity rather than some concrete activity, and that the direct object of the main clause is to be understood metaphorically rather than as a direct identity claim. Transposing this structure onto Ralph Wiggum's utterance generates the same set of expectations (i.e. that "sleep" is a general field of activity, and that "viking" is a metaphor). While the process by which novel metaphors are understood in practice would require a separate post all of its own, they typically depend on the audience recognising the most salient elements of the concept evoked by the vehicle of the metaphor (i.e. "viking") and how they might aptly be applied the tenor of the metaphor (i.e. the discipline of "sleep"). If one understands that the properties of, say, strength and power are highly salient to the concept of "viking", then one interprets the metaphor as suggesting that Ralph is strong and powerful at sleeping; i.e., he is very good at it. The fact that "viking" is not a conventional metaphor doesn't prevent such a metaphorical implicature from falling out of the utterance as it is produced in the context of the show. Get Drew Barrymore's brother to read this for an hour and a half and I'll listen, but I ain't reading that.
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# ? Apr 3, 2024 02:05 |
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Trabant posted:
Ralph Wiggum Metaphorist is a top tier username
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# ? Apr 3, 2024 02:13 |
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Blurred posted:The confusion is understandable, because the line in the show mirrors a conventional syntactic structure which is used to convey one's relationship to an abstract discipline in other contexts. If I say, "Oh boy, philosophy! That's where I'm a champion!", or "Oh boy, break dancing! That's where I'm a beast!", it's clear that the anaphoric phrase "that's where" denotes a general field of activity rather than some concrete activity, and that the direct object of the main clause is to be understood metaphorically rather than as a direct identity claim. Transposing this structure onto Ralph Wiggum's utterance generates the same set of expectations (i.e. that "sleep" is a general field of activity, and that "viking" is a metaphor). While the process by which novel metaphors are understood in practice would require a separate post all of its own, they typically depend on the audience recognising the most salient elements of the concept evoked by the vehicle of the metaphor (i.e. "viking") and how they might aptly be applied the tenor of the metaphor (i.e. the discipline of "sleep"). If one understands that the properties of, say, strength and power are highly salient to the concept of "viking", then one interprets the metaphor as suggesting that Ralph is strong and powerful at sleeping; i.e., he is very good at it. The fact that "viking" is not a conventional metaphor doesn't prevent such a metaphorical implicature from falling out of the utterance as it is produced in the context of the show.
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# ? Apr 3, 2024 04:22 |
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i now understand why people war over trivial religious differences. death to the heretical ralph metaphorists
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Mr. Fix It posted:i now understand why people war over trivial religious differences. death to the heretical ralph metaphorists He's not being metaphorical, he's just wrong!
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Arnaud Amalric, looking over the Simpsons meme thread in the throes of Viking Metaphorist heresies: kill them all, God will know his own.
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kdrudy posted:Get Drew Barrymore's brother to read this for an hour and a half and I'll listen, but I ain't reading that. I need to rewatch that video
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# ? Apr 3, 2024 12:30 |
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Ralph is dreaming of being a literal Viking. He's 9.
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# ? Apr 3, 2024 13:14 |
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I get that being mad at the argument itself is part of the joke, but since it hasn't gotten any positivity yet i just want to break kayfabe to say that i appreciated the writeup
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# ? Apr 3, 2024 13:20 |
time to repost a classic
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Blurred posted:The confusion is understandable, because the line in the show mirrors a conventional syntactic structure which is used to convey one's relationship to an abstract discipline in other contexts. If I say, "Oh boy, philosophy! That's where I'm a champion!", or "Oh boy, break dancing! That's where I'm a beast!", it's clear that the anaphoric phrase "that's where" denotes a general field of activity rather than some concrete activity, and that the direct object of the main clause is to be understood metaphorically rather than as a direct identity claim. Transposing this structure onto Ralph Wiggum's utterance generates the same set of expectations (i.e. that "sleep" is a general field of activity, and that "viking" is a metaphor). While the process by which novel metaphors are understood in practice would require a separate post all of its own, they typically depend on the audience recognising the most salient elements of the concept evoked by the vehicle of the metaphor (i.e. "viking") and how they might aptly be applied the tenor of the metaphor (i.e. the discipline of "sleep"). If one understands that the properties of, say, strength and power are highly salient to the concept of "viking", then one interprets the metaphor as suggesting that Ralph is strong and powerful at sleeping; i.e., he is very good at it. The fact that "viking" is not a conventional metaphor doesn't prevent such a metaphorical implicature from falling out of the utterance as it is produced in the context of the show. This poster gets it
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