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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:virginia is the worst and i cannot wait until NoVA, as terrible as it is, completely subsumes RoVA and all these faux confederates die If you drive around NoVa at all pretty much every loving restaurant, bar, and "country shop" (the kinds of places that sell "home made" fritters to tourists) has a civil war painting right next to the men's room. It's one of those things that once you notice it you always see it. It's like someone passed a loving law or something, it's more consistent than the signs telling employees to wash their hands before returning to work. It's always one of the really dumb, cheesy, paint by numbers battle scenes with Our Boys In Grey doing something valiant or one of the big name generals striking a pose on a horse. A while ago I ended up in a random Irish pub out around Mananas just looking for a cold beer and a sandwich around dinner time. Got up to take a piss, and sure enough they had the requisite ACW painting. Only in a loving wonderful snub to the whole surrounding area it was the 69th New York, one of the Union Irish Brigades. I approved heartily.
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That reminds me of a joke Abraham Lincoln liked to tell. From a recollection by Abner Ellis.quote:It appears that Shortly after we had pease with England Mr Allen had occasion to visit England, and while their the English took Great pleasure in teasing him, and trying to Make fun of the Americans and General Washington in particular and one day they got a picture of General Washington, and hung it up the Back House whare Mr Allen Could see it
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Sep 25, 2018 22:25
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Has France ever asked England to return the Eagles they took from Napoleon's troops? That's the closest European analogue I can think of.
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Sep 26, 2018 00:59
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They have and no it will never happen. Don't know why they care too, I am pretty sure both are the rushed 'poo poo poo poo we got to get things going' Hundred Days Eagles anyway.
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Sep 26, 2018 01:00
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Closest european analogue would be the Bundesrepublik asking americans to return the various granddaddy’s various looted nazi flags and lugers and etc
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Sep 26, 2018 01:25
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Austria still has the headdress of Moctezuma II* and they refuse to give it away. They didn't even conquer the New World, lazy bastards just got it as a present from their relatives. *Might not be his or even a headdress.
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Sep 26, 2018 01:52
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Closest european analogue would be the Bundesrepublik asking americans to return the various granddaddy’s various looted nazi flags and lugers and etc There's an organization that works to faciliate the voluntary repatriation of Japanese flags collected in the pacific. The context of these objects is however rather more personal than for typical battle flags. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuqtOWDB0ZQ The flags were mementoes covered with wishes of good luck from friends and family, given to soldiers before they left on deployment. Symbolically they were even said to represent the soldiers spirit. . . or perhaps given some the the responses on their return maybe its more than just a symbol. The organization is named the Obon society and has lots of longer videos, if you don't mind tear jerkers.
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Sep 26, 2018 03:23
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Closest european analogue would be the Bundesrepublik asking americans to return the various granddaddy’s various looted nazi flags and lugers and etc I can't help but feel that if modern Germany did that, it would be solely for the purpose of burning or otherwise destroying them utterly.
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Sep 26, 2018 03:57
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Closest european analogue would be the Bundesrepublik asking americans to return the various granddaddy’s various looted nazi flags and lugers and etc Daesh demanding their macgyver poo poo back
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Sep 26, 2018 04:08
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Closest european analogue would be the Bundesrepublik asking americans to return the various granddaddy’s various looted nazi flags and lugers and etc Putin asking for Finns to return the Soviet regimental standards captured in Suomussalmi. Napoleon's army's standards are still on display in Russian churches today. That's something that you wouldn't do with Nazi flags and other later political symbols, I think.
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Sep 26, 2018 04:42
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I feel like the fact that both parties are in the same country so it's a regional rivalry instead of an international incident also puts a real spin on things. I don't know much about internal relations of other countries though. I'm sure in Europe where there can be some centuries-old vendettas just hanging around wherever you go there's something like this going on.
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Sep 26, 2018 04:48
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SlothfulCobra posted:I feel like the fact that both parties are in the same country so it's a regional rivalry instead of an international incident also puts a real spin on things. I don't know much about internal relations of other countries though. I had a professor in Florence whose small hometown in Tuscany had had its church bells sacked by Siena at some point, and he said they all still dislike the Sienese because of it. Of course, he told us about this in the context of talking about his full-time job being at the University of Siena so it's not like it's a real blood feud or anything.
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Sep 26, 2018 04:55
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Illinois still has Santa Anna's leg.
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Sep 26, 2018 05:00
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Epicurius posted:Illinois still has Santa Anna's leg. And Joseph Smith’s body.
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Sep 26, 2018 05:04
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The Air Force Base in the town I live in returned some church bells looted from the Philippines back in the colonial days
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Agean90 posted:The Air Force Base in the town I live in returned some church bells looted from the Philippines back in the colonial days That's a completely different matter, things looted from a colony rather than battle standards earned fair and square.
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Sep 26, 2018 05:21
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Rockopolis posted:Isn't Rome II the one with the catapult that shoots bees at people? And scorpions, and snakes, and spiders, depending on faction? Was that ever a thing? There are historical accounts of bee and scorpion catapults, yes. Just because it was written down doesn't mean it happened but flinging pots full of angry bees/wasps into enemy formations probably would be disruptive. For the bees, they knew smoke calms them down so they'd get hives smoked up then seal them into clay pots with mud, and bang on the pot to get 'em nice and pissed off then fling it at the enemy. I do not remember who was claimed to do this but I think it was in Anatolia.
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Grand Fromage posted:There are historical accounts of bee and scorpion catapults, yes. Just because it was written down doesn't mean it happened but flinging pots full of angry bees/wasps into enemy formations probably would be disruptive. Basically, you know how people throughout the 20th century have tried all kinds of completely crazy weapons like bat-based incendiaries and homosexuality bombs? That kind of thinking and experimentation has been happening for all of recorded history with whatever means, technology, and potential weapons people have at hand.
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Sep 26, 2018 06:48
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Why would you not shoot bees at people, if given an opportunity?
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Closest european analogue would be the Bundesrepublik asking americans to return the various granddaddy’s various looted nazi flags and lugers and etc
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The Lone Badger posted:Why would you not shoot bees at people, if given an opportunity? I used to play half life
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Nenonen posted:Napoleon's army's standards are still on display in Russian churches today. That's something that you wouldn't do with Nazi flags and other later political symbols, I think. In then UK the older region focused regiments retired their standards to churches and cathedrals of their home towns/cities. If they aren't hanging up or archived in a museum they in the corner or above the altar no doubt with several others in religious establishment. Of course unless you know your military or local history they will look like very dusty faded rags for the most part.
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Sep 26, 2018 12:57
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There's gotta be ways to mount this stuff in the floor so all the visitors wipe their shoes on them.
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Sep 26, 2018 13:02
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The Lone Badger posted:Why would you not shoot bees at people, if given an opportunity? War crimes tribunals.
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Sep 26, 2018 13:08
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Would that bee a warcrime?
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Rockopolis posted:Would that bee a warcrime? a real crime against humanity
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“According to all known laws of aviation, a bee can’t fly!” “Like hell they can’t!” *cocks bee catapult*
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HEY GUNS posted:nope it's the 30yw poo poo and yes, they Care The Codex Argenteus is perfectly fine where it is, thank you very much.
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InAndOutBrennan posted:The Codex Argenteus is perfectly fine where it is, thank you very much.
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Animal posted:That's a completely different matter, things looted from a colony rather than battle standards earned fair and square. I was just at the Acropolis on vacation and the story of the Elgin marbles is told with a somewhat different perspective than it's told in the London Museum.
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In the 2018 environment I'd argue a slave state asking for a confederate battle flag back has a particular nasty political context, in the same way that a confederate or SS re-enactor raises more eyebrows than an imperial pikeman or swedish musketeer.
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virginia openly embraces this connotation, for what it's worth
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Nenonen posted:Putin asking for Finns to return the Soviet regimental standards captured in Suomussalmi. The Nazi standards are still at the Center Armed Forces Museum in Moscow, displayed in a lovely haphazard pile.
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chitoryu12 posted:“According to all known laws of aviation, a bee can’t fly!” According to laws of physics the AV-8Bee cannot fly.
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Sep 26, 2018 14:37
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Happy Col. Stanislav Petrov Saved the World from Nuclear Annihlation Day all.
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zoux posted:Happy Col. Stanislav Petrov Saved the World from Nuclear Annihlation Day all. god bless him, memory eternal
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That whole thing is kind of a modern internet legend so I wonder if it's overstated at all. Had he reported the incident was escalation certain or would his superiors have also had an opportunity to make the right call? I mean, "One dude bucks the system and saves the world" is a great story, but often great stories aren't what actually happened.
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Escalation was not certain but reasonably likely given the political climate, is my understanding. Petrov's particular concerns about the reliability of the system would likely have been erased from what was passed up the line.
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i can still pray for him because it's his intent and his morality at that instant that makes him a good person. if he had tried and failed, it still would have been a good deed.
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