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e-dt posted:The authors of the book actually lived out their programmatic recommendation to materially support anti-imperialist liberation movements: they were the Blekinge Street Gang that carried out bank robberies and sent the money to Palestinian liberation groups. 
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Please do not appoint a mini-mod to this thread. Instead, I recommend that each of the 20ish existing mods not make bad decisions.
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Yeah we're defending a fellow poster against the mods To hear incorrect views without rebutting them and even to hear counter-revolutionary remarks without reporting them, but instead to take them calmly as if nothing had happened. This is a sixth type. To be among the masses and fail to conduct propaganda and agitation or speak at meetings or conduct investigations and inquiries among them, and instead to be indifferent to them and show no concern for their well-being, forgetting that one is a Communist and behaving as if one were an ordinary non-Communist. This is a seventh type. To see someone harming the interests of the masses and yet not feel indignant, or dissuade or stop him or reason with him, but to allow him to continue. This is an eighth type.
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lol i on the other hand actually feel like the thread has gotten better and more funnier so in that regard thank you to larry and the mods 
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l-l-l-larry and the mods!
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apropos to nothing posted:l-l-l-larry and the mods!
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fart simpson posted:i freakin love reading about communism in the communism thread me too
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all theory has pretty much been done, explained, and wrapped up at this point. we can go ahead and goldmine this thread imo. pack it up
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the revolution is gonna pop off tomorrow and we're gonna be so mad if we can't post through it
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e-dt posted:everyone posting about "mods", go to qcs. Torkil lauesen of this same group recently released a short book explaining the principles of materialism. It’s good https://kersplebedeb.com/posts/the-principal-contradiction-by-torkil-lauesen-reviewed-by-joshua-moufawad-paul/ you can get it from Kersplebedeb
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Ferrinus posted:To hear incorrect views without rebutting them and even to hear counter-revolutionary remarks without reporting them, but instead to take them calmly as if nothing had happened. This is a sixth type. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqyLJ-fWbSI
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Whoa, Black Betty, Algund Eenboom posted:Kersplebedeb
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yr new gurlfrand! posted:communism thread still going strong this thread is Actually Existing Socialism
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communism is about getting rid of class not getting rid of slurs (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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comedyblissoption posted:communism is about getting rid of class not getting rid of slurs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI
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comedyblissoption posted:communism is about getting rid of class not getting rid of slurs hmm, i wonder if the categories of race, gender, and ability either reified or outright fabricated by capitalism might have anything to do with attaining this objective. better not investigate the historical record or anything
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mmm, reified beans
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I’d rather have one mod a thousand miles away, than a thousand mods one mile away - mel gibson in The Patriot
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can slurs even exist under communism i'm talking about classless society.
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Atrocious Joe posted:can slurs even exist under communism Classholes.
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Atrocious Joe posted:can slurs even exist under communism probably not in the same way they exist now but never doubt humanity’s determination to create outgroups
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Atrocious Joe posted:can slurs even exist under communism Kids can be mean probably even in communism
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imma mercilessly taunt people who don't eat the fried okra in the mandatory communal canteen
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wrap it up Okrahilures
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e-dt posted:everyone posting about "mods", go to qcs. Haven't read it in detail but it seems to be a (the?) solid argument for Third Worldism. The counterpoint is that exploitation is not just bad and a source of revolutionary discontent due to the transfer of value from the working class to the ruling class - the first world worker is still miserable, stressed, managed by idiots daily and alienated from their labour and society even if the overall standard of living they have is boosted significantly due to transfers to the national economy from the rest of world. They experience the sharp end of capitalism, even if it isn't the sharpest end available globally and often occupy the insanely good position of being able to physically disrupt or threaten the actual members of the ruling class who live in the first world so the idea that they can't really develop revolutionary organisation is not as concrete as is argued there, although it does explain why reformism is so strong in the West. Obviously the call for internationalism and material support for anti-imperialist forces everywhere is good and sensible Marxism whether you're a Third Worldist or not.
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the problem of first world vs. third world is like a macroscopic version of white vs. black of male vs. female or whatever in the context of a single capitalist (or just exploited by capitalists) country. on one hand, a white person enjoys advantages a black person doesn't and risks losing those advantages if they join the black person in a liberation struggle. on the other hand, there is no other way to do it; first world workers aren't in position to choose between a "class" revolution or a "race" revolution any more than they are in position to choose between an "imperialist" revolution and an "anti-imperialist" revolution. so the question isn't how one persuades a slightly-more-privileged worker to betray their own interests, but how to educate a slightly-more-privileged worker that it is actually to their own selfish advantage to rally behind something like the george floyd uprising, because they'll never attain class power otherwise
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Atrocious Joe posted:can slurs even exist under communism you're really dumb huh?
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I don't think you can make get people en masse to commit to a political project without it personally benefitting them so when it comes to anti-imperialism i just say something along the lines of "you need all the workers to get rid of capital or it just flees to another country, which means some ways the system operates would have to change, because the distribution of resources was set up unfairly by the capitalists." It's just a question of fairness that will come up in the context of a successful domestic revolution. Other than that it's not really a thing to concern yourself over imo. People who feel real sadness and shame over the fact that their shoes were manufactured by a blind child in a sweatshop exist, but not in the numbers that allow a mass revolution. And we'll all die first in the revolution when we suddenly can't get access to our meds and have a seizure somewhere during the second month of conflict. So you need to win over the people who know they're being screwed (the overwhelming majority of people you know unless you live in one of those little wealthy people enclaves) and get them to organize for themselves. Unless you really think your job as a Westerner is to do bake sales for for the NPA. In which case, I mean, don't let me stop you - I'm sure you are doing some good, people in those groups do need assistance, and I'd rather you do something you feel strongly about than nothing.
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Centrist Committee posted:mmm, reified beans
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Darkman Fanpage posted:you're really dumb huh? more than you know
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That a bunch of mayos are trying to have a class reductionist culture war and debating the concept of blackness when y'all used to be sharing informational and educational poo poo before you just started going anti mod after the uygur poo poo and started assuming any idpol = liberalism is upsetting to me Just because cops are reasonably detestable doesn't mean you can conflict the shittiest class traitor occupation in existence to..*checks notes* mods on an sa forum WhiteGenocideNow fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Apr 29, 2021 |
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WhiteGenocideNow posted:That a bunch of mayos are trying to have a class reductionist culture war and debating the concept of blackness when y'all used to be sharing informational and educational poo poo before you just started going anti mod after the uygur poo poo and started assuming any idpol = liberalism is upsetting to me Liberalism is upsetting to all of us
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I can't say an ableist slur? Ah you must be a liberal
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ben shapino posted:Liberalism is upsetting to all of us so... how is angry management going
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if youre looking for education and information anywhere on the sa forums let alone cspam then i dunno what to say really
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WhiteGenocideNow posted:That a bunch of mayos are trying to have a class reductionist culture war and debating the concept of blackness when y'all used to be sharing informational and educational poo poo before you just started going anti mod after the uygur poo poo and started assuming any idpol = liberalism is upsetting to me absolutely punishing post
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