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Enentol posted:Contents of the starter box have leaked: Those fingernails are kind of distracting.
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So, if those are the retail sprue, does anyone know if they come with the option of helmeted heads? I've been thinking about adding a sw contingent, mostly because I want to paint actual wolves, and want to put some termie armour on the table... but I don't like running marines stupid enough to go into combat with their faces exposed.
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Jul 7, 2014 19:01
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Nichol posted:So, if those are the retail sprue, does anyone know if they come with the option of helmeted heads? I've been thinking about adding a sw contingent, mostly because I want to paint actual wolves, and want to put some termie armour on the table... but I don't like running marines stupid enough to go into combat with their faces exposed. The sprue layout on the website shows it comes with enough helmets.
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Jul 7, 2014 19:08
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Lord Twisted posted:Rofl that is probably the most imbalanced box set yet. Five nobs with a 6+ save would mostly die to 1 round of shooting, and the Kans would be absolutely violated by the Terminators. But yes those gretchin are going to die first turn every game
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Jul 7, 2014 19:22
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AbusePuppy posted:Huh. That... that sure is some models. I don't even slightly understand why they would include any of those kits, though. I mean, for one those aren't even things you would use to make a "starter" army and even two copies of the box only barely gets you a (resoundingly mediocre) legal force. It seems like a pretty standard start for SW? From there what is there but characters, cavalry, and vehicles?
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Jul 7, 2014 19:33
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Nichol posted:It seems like a pretty standard start for SW? From there what is there but characters, cavalry, and vehicles? Well, hopefully the new SW give them some worthwhile units that aren't Grey Hunters or Long Fangs. It's just really weird that it's so small (one HQ, ten troop models, five non-troops?) and doesn't even try to form a legal army from things.
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Jul 7, 2014 19:41
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AbusePuppy posted:Well, hopefully the new SW give them some worthwhile units that aren't Grey Hunters or Long Fangs. It's just really weird that it's so small (one HQ, ten troop models, five non-troops?) and doesn't even try to form a legal army from things. How is it not a legal force? I don't play space wolves or orks but from what I can see: SW Wolf Lord (HQ) 5x Wolf Guard (Elites) 5x Grey Hunters (Troops) 5x Blood Claws (Troops) Orks Warboss (HQ) Killa Kans (HS or Elites) 5x Nobz (Elites) Grotz (Troops) Alright, well I guess the Ork army is a legal allied detachment? But the SW is definitely legal, and is exactly what I'd expect from a starter.
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Jul 7, 2014 19:48
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PierreTheMime posted:The sprue layout on the website shows it comes with enough helmets. AbusePuppy posted:Huh. That... that sure is some models. I don't even slightly understand why they would include any of those kits, though. I mean, for one those aren't even things you would use to make a "starter" army and even two copies of the box only barely gets you a (resoundingly mediocre) legal force. The set itself is going to be $125 from GW:  That'll be $100 from Warstore or Frontline or any of the good 20% off folks. I think that's a drat good deal.
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Jul 7, 2014 19:49
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Can't argue with the price, it's a heavy discount.
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Jul 7, 2014 19:56
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Direwolf posted:How is it not a legal force? I don't play space wolves or orks but from what I can see: I guess I was interpreting the SW half as 10x Grey Hunters, because I never actually see Blood Claws on the battlefield, but I could very easily be mistaken there. The Ork half is pretty unquestionably not an actual army, though, since Nobz can't be troops anymore. That was part of the reason I was seeing the SW part as the same. On an unrelated note: an army consisting of nothing but Allied Detachments cannot legally select a warlord, despite all of GW's jumping through hoops to try and avoid that problem. Oops.
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Jul 7, 2014 19:58
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AbusePuppy posted:I guess I was interpreting the SW half as 10x Grey Hunters, because I never actually see Blood Claws on the battlefield, but I could very easily be mistaken there. They could be 10x Grey Hunters or two packs of 5 Grey Hunters. Hunters and Blood Claws come from the same kit, it's just a matter of how you paint and model them.
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Jul 7, 2014 19:59
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Of course the Orks are a legal army! They're UNBOUND.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:06
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SRM posted:1 cardboard standee Ork Dreadnought I know a guy who still has it, and uses it whenever he plays his Orks. The look on newbies when they see it is priceless.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:09
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Hmm, if only I didn't have all the Orks I will ever need. Nobz, Kanz and Grotz...poor Orks.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:11
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AbusePuppy posted:I guess I was interpreting the SW half as 10x Grey Hunters, because I never actually see Blood Claws on the battlefield, but I could very easily be mistaken there. Honestly the kit is almost exactly Dark Vengeance. The Marines are the same minus the 3 bikers, the Chaos are the same minus a troops choice (3 mini dreads instead of one full dread aside). I see the real issue being that it's $25 more than DV for, well, less. But, well, pricechat.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:20
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TKIY posted:Can't argue with the price, it's a heavy discount. Except I don't want SW and the heavy iconography makes them tough to use as a Vanilla Chapter, and I don't need 3 more nerfed walkers. I'd take the Nobz, War Boss and Grots, but I have scads of each of those already. That said, if you are new to the hobby, this set is pretty great. Which I guess is why rumors of GW hating Grogs and courting kids always float around.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:32
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Anyone planning to buy two should PM me about the mini rulebook because I will pay or trade for it. TIA.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:33
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Tuxedo Jack posted:Anyone planning to buy two should PM me about the mini rulebook because I will pay or trade for it. TIA. You don't have a rule book yet?
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Jul 7, 2014 20:33
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Slimnoid posted:I know a guy who still has it, and uses it whenever he plays his Orks. Direwolf posted:Honestly the kit is almost exactly Dark Vengeance. The Marines are the same minus the 3 bikers, the Chaos are the same minus a troops choice (3 mini dreads instead of one full dread aside). I see the real issue being that it's $25 more than DV for, well, less. But, well, pricechat.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:34
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Indolent Bastard posted:You don't have a rule book yet? Nope. gently caress that noise. Too much money and I don't need the two volumes the rules are sandwiched between.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:34
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SRM posted:It's still -technically- a GW model! I've got two in my old 2nd ed box along with all the Orks. Warhammer 40,000 sidegrade edition (formerly 7th edition). See Ork codex and Storm Claw box set for reference. Tuxedo Jack posted:Nope. gently caress that noise. Too much money and I don't need the two volumes the rules are sandwiched between. No kidding. On another note I have a personal question for you; check your PMs
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Jul 7, 2014 20:36
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Has anyone heard anything about the tactical objective cards? I waited to get them from my friendly super slow but discounted online retailer, but now it seems like they're out of stock. Everywhere. How hard is it to keep a pack of cards in print?
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Jul 7, 2014 20:36
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Indolent Bastard posted:You don't have a rule book yet? I don't either, so any UK goons buying 2 boxes, I'll buy a mini rulebook off you.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:37
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Slimnoid posted:I know a guy who still has it, and uses it whenever he plays his Orks.  As an additional bonus, you can turn sideways and hide behind a lamp post 
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Jul 7, 2014 20:37
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SRM posted:Don't forget Warhammer 40k 2nd edition: Yeah but it was also like super cheap if I remember right and come on, cardboard Ork Dreadnought was awesome.
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Hollismason posted:Yeah but it was also like super cheap if I remember right and come on, cardboard Ork Dreadnought was awesome. Not even die-cut? Boo.....  At least the artwork is good.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:40
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Indolent Bastard posted:Not even die-cut? Boo..... It was a different time. A simpler time. A more colorful time. Speaking of, just got in the paints I needed from Warstore for my next retro project...
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Jul 7, 2014 20:42
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I am also willing to get a mini-rulebook off a UK goon, depending on what the rulebook is like.
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SRM posted:It's not really less. Yeah, it's fewer models, but with waaaaay more options and bits. It's a sidegrade. I don't see how more options on given models is better or even equivalent to getting more models. I'd call having a fast attack option and another troops option more options than being able to put either a plasma gun or a melta gun in your wolf squad. Even if I agree that it's a sidegrade, it's $25 more. Still a good deal for all the models ensemble, but it's way, way less of a good deal than DV was. I do think the ork force is a little weird, the more that I look at it. It's an iconic...grot force, really. Kinda weird to have the starter Orks not have a single Boy, when presumably most Ork armies will be crawling with them.
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SRM posted:Speaking of, just got in the paints I needed from Warstore for my next retro project... Squats? Please tell me it's Squats.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:46
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Where do people see that it's full sprue kits instead of snap-together? Yes, I see that the sculpts are the same, but couldn't they have been recut (whatever the appropriate term is) into snap-together models? I guess mainly my disbelief comes from the idea that they'd use fully complex kits in a starter box (which this presumably is, otherwise why include the mini rulebook? If it's just like a campaign box or something, they'd just assume that everyone has already bought the full price book, since then their target audience is existing ~Loyal GW Customers~). Looking the gift horse in the mouth aside, I'm happy that a mini rulebook will be out in the wild now, even though I'll probably go ebay for it if I can find one in any reasonable amount of time.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:52
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Pierzak posted:Squats? Please tell me it's Squats. Is it even possible to find original squats anymore? JerryLee posted:I'm happy that a mini rulebook will be out in the wild now, even though I'll probably go ebay for it if I can find one in any reasonable amount of time. I too am happy, it can replace the 6th edition mini rulebook I never actually got to use. Gonna stick with Dark Angels as a tiny allied force though.
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It would make sense to use the full kits as a hastily thrown together slapdash new starter set. No time or money to waste on new sprues. It will be awful for what its meant to do though. You know, start someone in this awful hobby of ours. That amount of customisation and level of building needed will turn away more than it will entice.
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I hate to fill up this thread with mini-rulebook deals, but if any CDN-goon wants to sell a rulebook, I'd be all over that. username at gmail
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SRM posted:It's still -technically- a GW model! That's the best part! He brought it to 'Ard Boys once I think, and they let it fly. Pierzak posted:But does it have a painted and flocked base? No, but he did hide it behind a wall once. Infuriated his opponent (who was a No Fun Haver neckbeard anyway).
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Safety Factor posted:And whatever the hell this is: I'll tell you what it is: something that owns. PierreTheMime posted:It's been preempted by 30 Gargoyles and an Exocrine but I'll get to it eventually. PierreTheMime suicide watch day 2. 
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serious gaylord posted:It would make sense to use the full kits as a hastily thrown together slapdash new starter set. No time or money to waste on new sprues. In that case, if it actually is intended as a starter set, a significantly less terrible option would have been to keep using the DV models and rewrite the rules inserts. The models are still aces, and the target audience won't care that it features two of the three or four worst codices out there. I can only assume, if what you're guessing is true, that they weighted the tie-in with Sanctus Reach way too heavily, and since Sanctus Reach was already a transparently cynical attempt to push their newest armies...
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Post 9-11 User posted:PierreTheMime suicide watch day 2. Haha. I actually got 3 done today (slow work day), so I'm already 1/6 of the way there! Only.... Ten more days of painting tiny wings to go... Ten... Full days.... 
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I'm not hugely familiar with Mehreen stuff. Is... is that a bike as a turret? Because if so, that's fantastic. It should detach to operate on its own.
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Any uk goons want to buy the ork half of the box?
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