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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:
um power to the workers eat the rich full communism now you idiot, you creep, you ruiner, not even insideous, you anachronistic motherfucker
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Dec 7, 2016 18:01
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The Paris Review posted an essay about George Jackson's Soledad Brother today. That's one of the first truly radical works that I read in high school, I recommend picking it up if you have a chance.
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Dec 7, 2016 21:40
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Baloogan posted:um power to the workers eat the rich full communism now you idiot, you creep, you ruiner, not even insideous, you anachronistic motherfucker *Looks up from Das Kapital, nods approvingly*
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Dec 7, 2016 21:44
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:He's a good poster but not kawaii enough to be mccaine, who I have met and consider my irl friend no i'm in deep, deep cover. so deep i probated myself six years ago
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Dec 7, 2016 21:58
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lol i forgot mccaine was a mod. wasn't he like 18 years old
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Dec 7, 2016 22:00
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also if you have a problem with that post try refuting it with something besides a book by a dissident who believes bureaucracy = class
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Dec 7, 2016 22:00
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Homework Explainer posted:no i'm in deep, deep cover. so deep i probated myself six years ago my god!!! I knew it!!!
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Dec 7, 2016 22:06
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Karl Barks posted:lol i forgot mccaine was a mod. wasn't he like 18 years old yeah people also liked to post his cheese cake photos
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Dec 7, 2016 22:16
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Homework Explainer posted:also if you have a problem with that post try refuting it with something besides a book by a dissident who believes bureaucracy = class "I dare you to refute my blind assertions. Er, no, not that way, that way doesn't count." I go back and forth on whether you're deeply cynical, or just completely lacking in any self-awareness.
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Dec 8, 2016 00:00
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is a bureaucracy an economic class. what makes it such. give me numbers or any kind of explanatory evidence that shows a bureaucracy has the same level of power as any capitalist class
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Dec 8, 2016 01:05
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Woosh.
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Dec 8, 2016 01:13
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Homework Explainer posted:also if you have a problem with that post try refuting it with something besides a book by a dissident who believes bureaucracy = class You think the New York Times is capitalist propaganda while actual communist propaganda is is a good primary source.
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Dec 8, 2016 02:10
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Uhh no poo poo? You think there are "communists" who disagree with communism as a whole and agree with capitalism? Those people are called capitalists.
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Dec 8, 2016 02:23
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asdf32 posted:You think the New York Times is capitalist propaganda while actual communist propaganda is is a good primary source. yes, how could the nyt, mouthpiece of krugman and brooks, possibly be capitalist propaganda
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Dec 8, 2016 02:29
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can't get over how asdf thinks that a communist admitting to liking "communist propaganda" is somehow a burn
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Dec 8, 2016 02:33
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Breakfast All Day posted:yes, how could the nyt, mouthpiece of krugman and brooks, possibly be capitalist propaganda Because people believing something propaganda are different things. Odobenidae posted:Uhh no poo poo? You think there are "communists" who disagree with communism as a whole and agree with capitalism? Those people are called capitalists. Understanding that the New York times is a better source than Chinese press releases doesn't guarantee you're a capitalist and if it does case closed.
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Dec 8, 2016 02:37
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Also HE did you turn your head and spit when you wrote the word "dissident" y/n?
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Dec 8, 2016 02:38
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What is everyone doing for Inauguration Day? I'm organizing
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Dec 8, 2016 02:44
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What makes the NYT "better" than Chinese Press Releases you might ask, one reason is that it is owned by capitalists. Need I say more?
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Dec 8, 2016 02:49
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Odobenidae posted:can't get over how asdf thinks that a communist admitting to liking "communist propaganda" is somehow a burn I know we're in the post-fact trump world but I'm still going to suggest you double check the definition of propaganda.
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Dec 8, 2016 02:57
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Ice Cream Barbara posted:What is everyone doing for Inauguration Day? I'm organizing Personally, I'm debating between doing direct action and arguing with democrats on the Internet
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Dec 8, 2016 03:04
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the phrase "communist propaganda" is itself "propaganda" because it assumes communism isn't the ideology of truth. Just like how we'll endearingly call ourselves and each other "reds" or "pinkos" we're restrained by terms and their popular usage. every day that passes "communism" becomes less of a bad word to more people.
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Dec 8, 2016 03:44
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Odobenidae posted:it assumes communism isn't the ideology of truth lol
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Dec 8, 2016 03:49
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sounds like someone needs to read up on their communist propaganda
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Dec 8, 2016 03:51
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Odobenidae posted:the phrase "communist propaganda" is itself "propaganda" because it assumes communism isn't the ideology of truth. Just like how we'll endearingly call ourselves and each other "reds" or "pinkos" we're restrained by terms and their popular usage. every day that passes "communism" becomes less of a bad word to more people. No, it assumes that authoritarian regimes sometimes spin things to their advantage. This doesn't eliminate the possibility that said authoritarian regime really is the best place in the world. Just that they might try and paint himself in an even better light and intelligent people should probably avoid getting their information that way. Or:
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Dec 8, 2016 03:57
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I am, actually! I'm currently reading "Imperialism in the 21st Century," which one of the PSL comrades shoved into my hands. It's weird that the PSL got such a shallow thinker to elucidate their party line, but I take it that it's meant as red meat for the already-converted rather than anything meant to stand up to any sort of criticism. Interesting nonetheless.
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Dec 8, 2016 04:02
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Every reply you make only incriminates yourself further. Your WALL ranking is shooting up as we speak. See you in the gulag.
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Dec 8, 2016 04:02
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:I am, actually! I'm currently reading "Imperialism in the 21st Century," which one of the PSL comrades shoved into my hands. It's weird that the PSL got such a shallow thinker to elucidate their party line, but I take it that it's meant as red meat for the already-converted rather than anything meant to stand up to any sort of criticism. Interesting nonetheless. A good approach for reviewing something fairly is to assume that it's shallow before you crack the first page.
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Dec 8, 2016 04:04
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Odobenidae posted:A good approach for reviewing something fairly is to assume that it's shallow before you crack the first page. While I agree that such an approach would be excellent, I regrettably chose to read through all of the non-Lenin sections of the book before making that judgment. (Most of the book is Lenin's pamphlet on imperialism.)
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Dec 8, 2016 04:09
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https://twitter.com/csmcdaniel/status/806553934265544704 Capitalism is pretty great guys
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Dec 8, 2016 04:37
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Institutionalized Gaslighting and the Gaslighting Economy are two things I'd never hope to have typed.
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Dec 8, 2016 04:41
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so, people think communists are not trustworthy because they are forthright and open about their biases, whereas the bourgeois press does not attest to any bias and therefore can be safely assumed to have none — something that is totally real & possible. QED. pro heuristic: lend greater weight to someone who can identify and state clearly their biases; nobody is without them. if they think they are, it just means they haven't interrogated them, and may not even realize the presuppositions they're bringing to bear if someone doesn't consider that a for-profit press run by corporate titans who dine in the halls of power MIGHT express certain interests and biases related to its concrete existence and those of the shot-callers, then i expect this hypothetical person hasn't given it much thought. or, also possible but somewhat more depressing, they've wholeheartedly swallowed the idea that capitalism is a "natural" and trans-historical world system, and therefore its biases are actually objectively correct norms intrinsic to all of humanity forever, and bourgeois democracy is the greatest realization of eudaimonia to which we as a species can aspire. fortunately, there's a wealth of examples of times in human history where the capitalist market has not been the totalizing principle of human society, times the fourth estate has failed utterly to do more than act as stenography or PR for the imperial state and its constituents, and so on. some standard recommended readings on this include Chomsky's famous Manufacturing Consent, or Parenti's (tragically) less-well-known Inventing Reality. i like to think that if you can get people to key into such details, then the house of cards will begin to fall. unfortunately, people are also extremely good at compartmentalizing the things they learn. consilience is hard, and ideology is hideously strong when consistently reinforced. but, that said, I honestly can't blame people for basic lack of exposure to such ideas, because they're not taught well outside of certain dissident circles or underfunded corners of academia. it's an uphill battle, but what else is new? "the cause of communism is the most arduous undertaking in all history," etc etc anyway, enough outta me. here's a talk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-SK8bUsshQ Aeolius fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Dec 8, 2016 |
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Dec 8, 2016 05:05
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Since Parenti keeps coming up, how does The Assassination of Julius Caesar rate? As a Caesarian partisan I've often thought that the book sounded exactly like my kind of revisionism, but I haven't gotten around to it.
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Dec 8, 2016 05:17
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i'm not a specialist of the period so i'm not in the best position to give it a proper critical evaluation, but the chapters i've read were brisk and lively and definitely stuck with me. here's an overall positive review tempered with some criticisms
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Dec 8, 2016 05:35
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I would take contemporary western communists more seriously if they didn't use the term "comrade" all the time. When I was in a union for poor people, the UFCW, we didn't call each other comrade. It wasn't until I went to college and was in a grad student union that all these white middle-class kids started signing emails with "in solidarity" and calling each other "comrade." Fuckin' LARPing the revolution.
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Dec 8, 2016 05:38
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I prefer comrades to the union go to of brothers and sisters.
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Dec 8, 2016 05:43
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Aeolius posted:i'm not a specialist of the period so i'm not in the best position to give it a proper critical evaluation, but the chapters i've read were brisk and lively and definitely stuck with me. here's an overall positive review tempered with some criticisms Ugh, those are pretty bad mistakes to make. Too bad, I completely agree with his thesis.
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Dec 8, 2016 05:48
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Atrocious Joe posted:I prefer comrades to the union go to of brothers and sisters. 'chums'
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Dec 8, 2016 06:02
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Just got back from my brother's wedding in SoCal. Did I miss the revolution?
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The internet wouldn't be around for you to post on it if it happened. You'll know, comrade.
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