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Oxxidation posted:It's going to get worse and it's never going to stop. hurr. 
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I came here to find commentary on Trump's Poland speech where he painted bureaucracy and regulation as a threat to Western civilisation as grave as terrorism. Instead I find some dumb argument about narration or some poo poo
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Jul 6, 2017 15:26
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BarbarianElephant posted:The problem with that model is what is obvious to anyone who follows the news: the Republican voting pool is *not* shrinking significantly as the party grows more extreme. What is happening is that people who consider themselves Republicans are growing more extreme along with their party. People who would 10 years ago have had no truck with mad conspiracy theories are swallowing them whole. Republicans are going to stay Republicans, no matter what happens to the party. They could nominate Alex Jones, and he would have 90% approval within the party, and even the 10% who disapprove would reluctantly vote for him. The problem for the Republican Party is that their base is shrinking simply due to the passage of time. We are going to have a more racially diverse population, who are drowning in student debt, living in the gig-economy, with no access to healthcare, are living off ramen noodles and avocado toast after making their student loan payments and inflated rent, and don't even have assets to protect.
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Jul 6, 2017 15:27
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TyrantWD posted:Republicans are going to stay Republicans, no matter what happens to the party. They could nominate Alex Jones, and he would have 90% approval within the party, and even the 10% who disapprove would reluctantly vote for him. The problem for the Republican Party is that their base is shrinking simply due to the passage of time. We are going to have a more racially diverse population, who are drowning in student debt, living in the gig-economy, with no access to healthcare, are living off ramen noodles and avocado toast after making their student loan payments and inflated rent, and don't even have assets to protect. I see plenty of completely insane alt-righters under 30 to continue the madness. As well as many more who are not entirely alt-right but are still very right wing - probably typical for young people in red states. And being ethnically diverse doesn't help as groups that have been here longer (and aren't black) get assimilated into the mainstream. The Irish aren't so reliable a voting bloc for Democrats any more, are they?
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Jul 6, 2017 15:30
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Oxxidation posted:It's going to get worse and it's never going to stop. racial birth rates in America suggest that it will stop and even reverse itself
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Jul 6, 2017 15:31
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Ewan posted:I came here to find commentary on Trump's Poland speech where he painted bureaucracy and regulation as a threat to Western civilisation as grave as terrorism. we are all so very broken, you see this seems like a good thing https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/882964849189425153 also lol https://twitter.com/PhilipRucker/status/882968985544921088
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Jul 6, 2017 15:32
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BarbarianElephant posted:I see plenty of completely insane alt-righters under 30 to continue the madness. As well as many more who are not entirely alt-right but are still very right wing - probably typical for young people in red states. This is why the alt-right is such a concerning group; they don't align with traditional knowledge of how republicans recruit, because they're a whole different beast. They're young voters who have become disillusioned with both establishment republicans and democrats, and have latched onto the only ideology they see as being certain to help them (supremacy). They're spite voters who have decided to abandon reasoning with other groups. Like any other counter-ideology it's not something that can be stomped out either, it's not something you can really antifa away. It's something that needs to be addressed at the source, which is something a lot of figures are unwilling to face. It's not going to ebb with the rise of more mixed-race citizens, it's just going to leak into new sects of ____ supremacy while the main core of the alt-right expands its definition of white. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Jul 6, 2017 |
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Jul 6, 2017 15:35
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BarbarianElephant posted:I see plenty of completely insane alt-righters under 30 to continue the madness. As well as many more who are not entirely alt-right but are still very right wing - probably typical for young people in red states. Stop following Twitter so much. The youth overwhelming voted D. You are seeing the magnified effect of a few weirdo voices, they are not representative of a significant amount of people, I bet 7/10 Republicans don't even know what the "alt right" is.
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WampaLord posted:Stop following Twitter so much. The youth overwhelming voted D. Yeah some study even showed that not only are young people overwhelmingly liberal, almost all of the political flipping by young people has been from conservative to liberal so the old adage "and they'll vote republican anyway when they grow up" doesn't even hold up.
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TyrantWD posted:Republicans are going to stay Republicans, no matter what happens to the party. They could nominate Alex Jones, and he would have 90% approval within the party, and even the 10% who disapprove would reluctantly vote for him. The problem for the Republican Party is that their base is shrinking simply due to the passage of time. We are going to have a more racially diverse population, who are drowning in student debt, living in the gig-economy, with no access to healthcare, are living off ramen noodles and avocado toast after making their student loan payments and inflated rent, and don't even have assets to protect. I wonder what McCains reaction would be if Alex Jones ran for president and won. I bet he would be concerned. Possibly even troubled.
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ThePeavstenator posted:Yeah some study even showed that not only are young people overwhelmingly liberal, almost all of the political flipping by young people has been from conservative to liberal so the old adage "and they'll vote republican anyway when they grow up" doesn't even hold up. At the same time, it's worth remembering that "the youth overwhelmingly voted D" doesn't address what % of the youth voted period, let alone whether or not the youth vote for republicans dropped. I think it's accurate to say that we aren't reaching the 65%+ figure that Britain just did.
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BarbarianElephant posted:I see plenty of completely insane alt-righters under 30 to continue the madness. As well as many more who are not entirely alt-right but are still very right wing - probably typical for young people in red states. The alt-righters don't exactly subscribe to Paul Ryan's brand of politics, and as we have seen with Trump, the party's politics doesn't change, no matter who the leader is. There will always be the religious conservatives in red states, but many of those red states are dying off (quite literally in some cases). Our ethnic groups may be assimilated into the mainstream, but they are still not welcome in the GOP, and if they weren't sure, this last election made a very good point of reminding them of that - as will the next 4 to 8 years.
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Jul 6, 2017 15:43
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WampaLord posted:Stop following Twitter so much. The youth overwhelming voted D. I keep getting told that there are hardly any alt-righters out there. But I keep encountering more and more people with views that sound very alt-right. How very puzzling. The alt-right are the Republican politicians of tomorrow. They are the young people passionate about conservative politics that will form the next wave of Republican mainstream power. The fact that most right-wing granddads don't know where that funny Hillary meme they found came from is actually a problem. Even your racist granddad would be a bit disturbed at the idea of rebuilding the concentration camps for Jews, I suspect. Start worrying, Neville Chamberlain.
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Charliegrs posted:I wonder what McCains reaction would be if Alex Jones ran for president and won. Concern,.n.: (politics, foreign relations): feeling that something ought to be considered bad, but that doing anything about it will have non-zero costs, and therefore should be limited to verbal condemnation.
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Jul 6, 2017 15:48
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BarbarianElephant posted:I keep getting told that there are hardly any alt-righters out there. But I keep encountering more and more people with views that sound very alt-right. How very puzzling. Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.
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BarbarianElephant posted:I keep getting told that there are hardly any alt-righters out there. But I keep encountering more and more people with views that sound very alt-right. How very puzzling. That is sort of how numbers work though, if something makes up 1% of the population it is both quite rare but also something you will encounter quite frequently.
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And what would a confederate have thought of a polish person, I wonder?
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So conservative Republicans, who have hated Russia since McCarthy through their poster boy hero, Reagan, are now all "no biggie" when it comes to the dirty commies totally meddling in our election process only because their guy won the and they enjoy angering liberals. What loving planet is this? I've said it before, only half jokingly, that democrats should start advocating for GOP policies just to make Republicans reflexively oppose them. At this point, I honestly believe it would work. You should have seen the 4th of July celebration here in my small NE Florida city. I couldn't get pictures because my phone was charged low but SO MANY of the attendees were just basically wearing over the top costumes, t-shirts with empty platitudes, face paint and calling it patriotism. One dude was riding a bike back on forth on the main bridge with a huge American flag mounted to it and using a bullhorn to remind us about our troops just in case we forgot. Subtlety, suffice it to say, was not the order of the day. It was borderline disturbing and smelled of fascism but maybe I was just being an oversensitive outnumbered liberal guy who doesn't understand what making America great again truly entails. Apparently it has to do with a poo poo ton of pyrotechnics and red, white and blue clothes manufactured in China. And also hot dogs. Lots and lots of obese people eating hot dogs. I enjoy fireworks shows for the most part but had to chuckle at the ones that managed to spell U, S and A, in order, when they exploded. Not making that up. Maybe it bothered me more than it should because my political leanings are being systematically destroyed every day, people seem openly angry towards me and my ideas and I genuinely feel out of place in my own country. Plus I knew that those "USA" fireworks were made in a Chinese sweatshop.
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business hammocks posted:And what would a confederate have thought of a polish person, I wonder? "White enough for me"?
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BiggerBoat posted:I've said it before, only half jokingly, that democrats should start advocating for GOP policies just to make Republicans reflexively oppose them. At this point, I honestly believe it would work. The failed Grand Bargain by Obama is a perfect example of this phenomenon in action.
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BiggerBoat posted:So conservative Republicans, who have hated Russia since McCarthy through their poster boy hero, Reagan, are now all "no biggie" when it comes to the dirty commies totally meddling in our election process only because their guy won the and they enjoy angering liberals. What loving planet is this? Same here. Watching the Capitol Fourth did nothing for me this year. I usually like to see it, but I just wasn't in a 'rah, rah' patriotism mood this year. Then, I happened to catch the movie 1776 on TCM. That spoke to me a whole lot more than "America, gently caress yeah". If the founders had the courage to defy King George and sign the Declaration of Independence, even though it seemed at the time like signing their own death warrants, then I can have the courage to stand up to King Donald I and his merry band of neckbeard redpillers.
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BarbarianElephant posted:I keep getting told that there are hardly any alt-righters out there. But I keep encountering more and more people with views that sound very alt-right. How very puzzling. Racism is the only thing that binds the alt-right to the Republican party, but even hatred of the other at the expense of your own well-being has a limit, as we saw in the 2008 election. As soon as Trump is out of the way, the GOP are going to pick up that 2012 postmortem and get right back to sanitizing the party to prepare for changing demographics. I don't see a lot of enthusiasm from the alt-right for a Rubio/Haley ticket, and that is probably where the party is headed.
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BiggerBoat posted:So conservative Republicans, who have hated Russia since McCarthy through their poster boy hero, Reagan, are now all "no biggie" when it comes to the dirty commies totally meddling in our election process only because their guy won the and they enjoy angering liberals. What loving planet is this? It turns out that they never cared about the treachery, only that the Russians were left wing. Now that Russia is far right, they would happily sign over rulership of the USA to Putin as dictator for life.
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BiggerBoat posted:So conservative Republicans, who have hated Russia since McCarthy through their poster boy hero, Reagan, are now all "no biggie" when it comes to the dirty commies totally meddling in our election process only because their guy won the and they enjoy angering liberals. What loving planet is this? also conservatives on the hill will not speak out because russia is funding half of their campaigns lol an 8 year old me was first exposed to the weird surreal patriotism our nation has engaged with when i saw scores of trucker-hat-wearing, busch-lite-drinking old white dudes with confederate flag shirts on stand up, put their hands over their hearts and weep solemnly as lee greenwood poo poo out some dumb lyrics while lasers outlined the side of stone mountain's confederate propaganda. it was all so confusing and felt wrong but holy lol does it make a lot more sense now, 25 years later skylined! fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Jul 6, 2017 |
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RZA Encryption posted:"White enough for me"? Catholic though, so a no-go.
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skylined! posted:this seems like a good thing TWO WEEKS?! 
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BiggerBoat posted:I've said it before, only half jokingly, that democrats should start advocating for GOP policies just to make Republicans reflexively oppose them. At this point, I honestly believe it would work I want to see them give the bills the Right wants for completely the wrong reasons. Come on, where are my "Arm the minorities" gun bills and "Right To Life To Increase The Black Population" anti-abortion bills.
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On the plus side, the newer alt-right flavor of assholes are much easier to identify and confront, because they think they're safe to be open about it. Correct them on that. Make them afraid again.
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How long is the recess? Was it just for the July 4th weekend? Was hoping to see a few town hall reactions.
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Deadulus posted:How long is the recess? Was it just for the July 4th weekend?
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Drone posted:Catholic though, so a no-go. Plus Polish names are difficult to pronounce, and learning about other cultures is a sign of weakness
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FlamingLiberal posted:This 2nd vote delay is a good sign that this is probably going to fail. If pressure continues. Keep on it if you have a republican to harass, everyone.
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RZA Encryption posted:"White enough for me"? Didn't you see Deadwood?
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FlamingLiberal posted:I think only one Senator did a town hall I am guessing they were not a Republican?
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Deadulus posted:I am guessing they were not a Republican? To their credit there are some Republicans that have been holding regular town halls still, they just aren't the ones who are pushing the garbage bills. It's the key figures that are cowards. Also those guys realize that if they hold regular town halls they won't get lynched at their bi-annual one because of half a year of resentment building up
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WampaLord posted:The failed Grand Bargain by Obama is a perfect example of this phenomenon in action. Remember the last time that happened when they tried to pass a "ban everyone on the no-fly list from owning guns" bill? Most of the conservatives didn't care or pay it any attention, and it soured a lot of democrats.
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TyrantWD posted:Racism is the only thing that binds the alt-right to the Republican party, but even hatred of the other at the expense of your own well-being has a limit, as we saw in the 2008 election. If they try this again, they'll fail again. Racist lunatics are the majority of the party.
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