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drat, the first half of that episode was the most action-packed thing Homeland has done in a long-rear end time. The second half was much slower but it wasn't necessarily bad.
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I liked all of it and I think this is a good season of TV. Lockhart is a bit silly though.
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Dec 8, 2014 12:20
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Lockhart is easier to watch if you think of him as a teenage girl. Seriously, rewatch the "negotiation" scene in the board room. He's on his phone not giving a gently caress about what Mom says.
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Dec 8, 2014 12:35
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I hope Quinn's path of vengeance works out well and he kills Haqqani in bitchin' fashion, but Homeland loves to deliver the sad; so even if he manages to become a one man Seal Team 6 and finishes the job, he'll probably die. The final shot of the season will be his fat girlfriend finding out the news.
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Dec 8, 2014 12:39
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Gonz posted:I hope Quinn's path of vengeance works out well and he kills Haqqani in bitchin' fashion, but Homeland loves to deliver the sad; so even if he manages to become a one man Seal Team 6 and finishes the job, he'll probably die. Probably, which sucks. I'd rather have Quinn basically torture the living gently caress out of a bunch of people, kill Haqqani, and then up and quit and return to that girl and make a shot at living a simple life, like working on a farm or night security guard and making a go at a healthy relationship.
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Dec 8, 2014 13:47
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I think Quinn might be going after ISI rather than just Haqqani, given that he found the same phone on both the dead embassy guy and the ISI dude that he was getting ready to torture.
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Dec 8, 2014 16:34
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:drat, the first half of that episode was the most action-packed thing Homeland has done in a long-rear end time. The second half was much slower but it wasn't necessarily bad. I thought the 'fallout' was just as interesting as the attack. Good stuff all around.
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Dec 8, 2014 17:56
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Swear to god I thought we were really going to get a beheading scene. I was holding my breath from the moment he noticed Fara. Who knew the weirdo cousin from season 1 had it in him to kill a guy? Between this whole episode and the previous one I'm a lot more up on Homeland than I've been since the end of season 2. Cut crazy Carrie and run with intricate diplomacy and the Quinn Bauer Power Hour and Showtime can take this thing for as many seasons as they want, provided nobody gets Lumberjacked at the end.
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Dec 8, 2014 18:21
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At this point, it's just Carrie's BD vs. Quinn's PTSD. I hope Carrie rats out the ISI because I cannot stand that ISI lady. I hope she is gone. Also, lol at Dennis not being able to do it. Man, the writers are doing one hell of a job to crush this man.
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Hand of the King posted:Also, lol at Dennis not being able to do it. Man, the writers are doing one hell of a job to crush this man. I didn't consider this outcome at the time but it's really really fantastic.
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Dec 8, 2014 19:25
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i keep thinking duck phillips had some sinister plan of clearing his name or something.
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Dec 8, 2014 19:53
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^^^Oh god drat it^^^ I'm of the opinion they're going for the headfake on that one. It seems like a lot of trouble to go through to just have him chicken out on it. Personally I think he was doing whatever he could to setup his wife to take the fall. I actually had to go look and see that there were in fact more episodes this season because that just seemed off to me. First he asked for her belt, which his wife would have no way of explaining how it got into his hands. Then he asks for his own belt but either way it looks like someone facilitated his suicide. Now all he has to say is that "My wife was the only other potential source for the leaked intel and she gave me the means to kill myself. She's covering her tracks, I'm innocent." The other thought I had was that at a bare minimum, the Lance Corporal who removed his shoelaces, belt, anything he could use to off himself with is going to get screamed at.
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Dec 8, 2014 19:55
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Yeah the fact that he asked for her belt, and then that his belt was in a locked (?) storage locker has sinister implications. His wife's reaction to finding out he was still alive was equal parts shame and doubt as well.
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Dec 8, 2014 20:01
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Things I learned from this episode: 1) The boss terrorist guy is really mean.  2) Beast Mode Quinn is the best thing in this show, and I'd be quite happy if the rest of this series/show is literally just him bringing the pain to bad dudes, with snappy one-liners. 3) British Pakistani guy is a cool dude and I hope he gets to dish out some justice.
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Dec 8, 2014 20:11
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At a bare minimum he's going to be Agent 47 on the Hitman movie so there's that.
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Dec 8, 2014 20:13
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The shoot out was very satisfying and brutal, Mr. CIA-director-what's-his-name delivering the list to Haqqani was extremely contrived, I guess it was supposed to contrast his character with Carrie's and prove that he's pretty much just a blustering all-talk kind of guy but it was a definite 'turn off your brains for a moment and bear with us' moment. Haqqani and Quinn really stole the show these past two episodes, it's a shame that neither is likely to make it past the next one.
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Dec 8, 2014 20:19
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Wow, Chandler Bing killed a guy. Who would have thought. I'm also surprised that the Private accompanying Quinn made it through the episode unscathed. He even killed two terrorists! Two! Ok, that's 1 less than Quinn did on their first terrorist takedown, but nonetheless.
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Dec 8, 2014 20:58
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So Quinn is going to replicate Archer's cancer rampage next week right?
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Poor guy just wanted his trousers to stay up.
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I hope Saul isn't done. Surely he will be named CIA boss when the politician is ousted.
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There's no way Saul doesn't bounce back and go Jihad with Carrie. I swear this show is going to end in nuclear war.
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Fragmented posted:There's no way Saul doesn't bounce back and go Jihad with Carrie. I swear this show is going to end in nuclear war. Carrie then sleeps with every terrorist to repopulate the Earth.
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Dec 9, 2014 01:52
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This all loops back around to the very first episode where Carrie tries to put the moves on Saul
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emanresu tnuocca posted:The shoot out was very satisfying and brutal, Mr. CIA-director-what's-his-name delivering the list to Haqqani was extremely contrived, I guess it was supposed to contrast his character with Carrie's and prove that he's pretty much just a blustering all-talk kind of guy but it was a definite 'turn off your brains for a moment and bear with us' moment. All of a sudden when the hostage looks like the T-mobile girl, everybody gets all touchy-feely.
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:This all loops back around to the very first episode where Carrie tries to put the moves on Saul Holy poo poo. I totally had forgotten about that.
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mcbexx posted:
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Professor Shark posted:Lockhart is easier to watch if you think of him as a teenage girl. The writers made very obvious that he has never seen combat and while he can talk tough, has no stomach for real in-your-face violence. Fragmented posted:There's no way Saul doesn't bounce back and go Jihad with Carrie. I swear this show is going to end in nuclear war. Carrie: We've located Haqqani send in the drone! Saul: gently caress that. Hello, US Missile Command? It's time for the nuclear option.
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Binary Logic posted:The writers made very obvious that he has never seen combat and while he can talk tough, has no stomach for real in-your-face violence. Thank you for that explanation on the 1-Dimensional character, being blind and listening to Described Video really doesn't get across all the nuances of Season 4 Homeland
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hello goons, I trust your judgement, should I watch this season? After being burned by Dexter and Sons of Anarchy (I wish I could unwatch that poo poo), I now wait for potentially questionable seasons of shows I like to air so I can get goon opinions before jumping in.
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Fatkraken posted:hello goons, I trust your judgement, should I watch this season? After being burned by Dexter and Sons of Anarchy (I wish I could unwatch that poo poo), I now wait for potentially questionable seasons of shows I like to air so I can get goon opinions before jumping in. Yes, you should.
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Dec 12, 2014 18:34
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I was skeptical but the most recent episodes have been batshit bonkers
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Should you watch Homeland? Do you like crazy women? Do you like semi-realistic 24? Do you like crazy women(gently caress and men, everyone on this show is bonkers) Yes.
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Can someone provide any reason besides "good guys don't use AK's" for as to why Quinn and the Private didn't pick up some firepower from the four guys they dropped in the basement? They knew they were going to be outnumbered and outgunned and did nothing to try to even the odds. Then again both their pistols seemed to have infinite bullets, so maybe they know something I don't.
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TVsVeryOwn posted:Can someone provide any reason besides "good guys don't use AK's" for as to why Quinn and the Private didn't pick up some firepower from the four guys they dropped in the basement? They knew they were going to be outnumbered and outgunned and did nothing to try to even the odds. Then again both their pistols seemed to have infinite bullets, so maybe they know something I don't. I am just going to speculate that they were more comfortable using weapons they have personally maintained and are carrying ammo for, than weapons used by terrorists that might jam or something.
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Yeah using his own weapon was smart if he had bullets, I wasn't counting. And for bullet counting you can only do it by scene. gently caress now I have to watch again.
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redreader posted:I am just going to speculate that they were more comfortable using weapons they have personally maintained and are carrying ammo for, than weapons used by terrorists that might jam or something. It is standard training to pick up enemy guns and use them if a crazy situation like that were to arise in real life, particularly if you can go from handgun->rifle and become much more effective in a firefight as a result. They used to (probably still do) a drill with every marine who gets deployed where they have to run 25 meters, put together a fully stripped AK, load it and fire down range as quickly as possible. I'm sure the CIA training on using a variety of weapons in the field is much more thorough and nuanced so I'd guess a real agent would run a quick function check and use the AK in this situation. You can still holster the pistol and have it as a secondary anyway. Choosing to use a pistol over a rifle in a firefight is decreasing your effectiveness by an order of magnitude or more, it's just a terrible idea. This show has never been particularly realistic so I don't think it's worth thinking about too much, just enjoy the silly action. Pryor on Fire fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Dec 12, 2014 |
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Is that traning applied to Pakistan Taliban? I mean yeah in counterstrike I grab the AK but bullets don't jam in a videogame. I would rather have his cleaned twice a day piece(I'm guessing) than an AK from a mountain. But hey that's just me.
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Fragmented posted:Is that traning applied to Pakistan Taliban? I mean yeah in counterstrike I grab the AK but bullets don't jam in a videogame. I would rather have his cleaned twice a day piece(I'm guessing) than an AK from a mountain. But hey that's just me. Yeah but unlike other guns, AKs can fire even if they have been inside a mountain
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TVsVeryOwn posted:Can someone provide any reason besides "good guys don't use AK's" for as to why Quinn and the Private didn't pick up some firepower from the four guys they dropped in the basement? They knew they were going to be outnumbered and outgunned and did nothing to try to even the odds. Then again both their pistols seemed to have infinite bullets, so maybe they know something I don't. I dunno, the pistols seemed to work out just fine for both of them.
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Fragmented posted:Is that traning applied to Pakistan Taliban? I mean yeah in counterstrike I grab the AK but bullets don't jam in a videogame. I would rather have his cleaned twice a day piece(I'm guessing) than an AK from a mountain. But hey that's just me. Yep, this is part of the training as well. You're probably less willing to pick up and put your life behind an unknown found gun that tends to be finnicky if not treated well like say a 1911 vs a gun that will be perfectly reliable despite being dragged through manure ice salt water and never cleaned for years like say 99% of AK variants out there. I dunno none of us are really privy to CIA training but I'd wager good money they are trained to pick up the AK (or 80% of rando guns they might come across) in this situation.
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