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Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

echinopsis posted:


they dont rent weekly, just pay weekly. most contracts have a like a month or so notice before moving out (or the bond is kept)


why is 2 weeks or a month the optimal payment schedule? why does it matter? poo poo i dont care if they pay daily as long as they do. most people in this country get weekly pay cheques so i guess it makes sense..

you're being pretty dense

paying daily is dumb

paying weekly is dumb

maybe paying every two weeks, ok, but paying monthly for your housing is far-enough-apart time period that's accepted in most parts of the world, same reason why you pay your electricity/gas/other utilities/phone/internet usually monthly or longer

i can understand if there's some legacy being tied to paychecks, maybe it helps people who have no financial discipline to make sure they pay their rent before they blow the rest of their money

why would you want to deal with paying for bills weekly

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echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Sniep posted:

because paying weekly sounds like a huge pain in the rear end

why shouldn't you just pay once a month? is the home dealer so hooked on crack he needs a weekly cash fix or something? I'd rather just pay once and be done with it for a month, budgeted, out of sight out of mind.

i dont want to have to think about it constantly myself

so just like every other person you set it to come out of your account automatically without thinking about it. much like i do with internet bill and power bill

im sure most landlords would probably be ok with you paying monthly if you wanted to. its just not the norm around here


Displeased Moo Cow posted:

why can't you charge more rent [which as previously allude to I feel is an outrage] instead of paying someone else to charge more rent for. you? talk about money down the shitter

plus im sure you can write her expenses off tax

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

mishaq posted:

you're being pretty dense

paying daily is dumb

paying weekly is dumb

maybe paying every two weeks, ok, but paying monthly for your housing is far-enough-apart time period that's accepted in most parts of the world, same reason why you pay your electricity/gas/other utilities/phone/internet usually monthly or longer

i can understand if there's some legacy being tied to paychecks, maybe it helps people who have no financial discipline to make sure they pay their rent before they blow the rest of their money

why would you want to deal with paying for bills weekly

dont deal with it. why r u guys so angry about poo poo you dont personally have to do? ive also never heard a single person in my entire life complain about how often they have to pay rent until today and its YOU guys complaining about how often OTHEER PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD need to pay THEIR rent

plus from a landlords point of view if they ARE lovely with they money then yeah keep em on a tight leash. idk why thats a bad thing

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast

echinopsis posted:

dont deal with it. why r u guys so angry about poo poo you dont personally have to do? ive also never heard a single person in my entire life complain about how often they have to pay rent until today and its YOU guys complaining about how often OTHEER PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD need to pay THEIR rent

plus from a landlords point of view if they ARE lovely with they money then yeah keep em on a tight leash. idk why thats a bad thing

fair enough it's just culturally unheard of here.

paying weekly for something in the USA means you can't handle your money well enough to be reliable monthly, and thus is relegated to "rent to own furniture and appliances" and "buy here pay here car dealerships" both of which are on the same level as pawning things and taking payday loans, i.e. you dont have a reliable job and are really sketch on getting money out of.

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:

Displeased Moo Cow posted:

why can't you charge more rent [which as previously allude to I feel is an outrage] instead of paying someone else to charge more rent for. you? talk about money down the shitter

the reason for this is that echi is a nice bloke who would feel bad for trying to starve a poor family with higher rent but property managers have no kind of human feelings whatsoever

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
:]


im sure ther are people in this country that are that poor and pawn shop etc but our culture tends to ignore them and pretend they dont exist

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:
rent is weekly here is just a thing that is there is no reason for it or any reason to change it. you set up an auto payment or if you are very poor (avg new Zealander) then u don't mind paying weekly i imagine

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

bobbilljim posted:

the reason for this is that echi is a nice bloke who would feel bad for trying to starve a poor family with higher rent but property managers have no kind of human feelings whatsoever


when we lived away and this house i am in was rented it was a sotuh african single mother and she was struggling. we werent hiking rent or anything

but then we needed to move back. i wasnt the one who had to tell her to move her life to somewhere probably a lot worse

my property manager did it :smugmrgw:

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




I know this and we did the same re prop managers plus when we rented it was way better dealing with the bitch who knew all the law as opposed to the rear end in a top hat property owner [e.g. echi] who would get his rear end in a top hat dad to come over and yell at us because we dared to ask for some scaffolding to be removed after he decided out of the blue one day to paint the house and then just left this scaffold in front of our window and apparently asking him to remove it was stressing him out and we should have been grateful to have a painted house that we didn't really care about or asked for.

I'm just still raging about the insinuation that I wasted money buying cat6.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
:smugmrgw:

theadder
Dec 30, 2011


run a love hotel

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:

Just-In-Timeberlake
Aug 18, 2003

mishaq posted:

why would you as a landlord want to deal with collecting payment 4 times a month instead of just once

seems like a pain in the rear end

God you fucks are dense

$1000 x 12 months = $12000
$250 x 52 weeks = $13000

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:

Just-In-Timeberlake posted:

God you fucks are dense

$1000 x 12 months = $12000
$250 x 52 weeks = $13000

:gowron: hosed Up If True

Jimmy Carter
Nov 3, 2005

THIS MOTHERDUCKER
FLIES IN STYLE

Krebs posted:

BK: A lot of readers seem confused about why more banks wouldn’t adopt chip-and-PIN over chip-and-signature, given that the former protects against more forms of fraud.

Conroy: The PIN only addresses fraud when the card is lost or stolen, and in the U.S. market lost-and-stolen fraud is very small in comparison with counterfeit card fraud. Also, as we looked at other geographies — and our research has substantiated this — as you see these geographies go chip-and-PIN, the lost-and-stolen fraud dips a little bit but then the criminals adjust. So in the UK, the lost-and-stolen fraud is now back above where was before the migration. The criminals there have adjusted. and that increased focus on capturing the PIN gives them more opportunity, because if they do figure out ways to compromise that PIN, then they can perpetrate ATM fraud and get more bang for their buck.

BK: Are there recent examples that have spooked some of the banks away from embracing chip-and-PIN?

Conroy: There was a Canadian issuer that — when they did their migration to chip — really botched their chip-and-PIN roll out, and consumers were forgetting their PIN at the point-of-sale. That issuer saw a significant dip in transaction volume as a result. One of the missteps this issuer made was that they sent their PIN mailers out too soon before you could actually do PIN transactions at the point of sale, and consumers forgot. Also, at the time they sent out the cards, [the bank] didn’t have the capability at ATMs or IVRs (automated, phone-based customer service systems) for consumers to reset their PINs to something they could remember.

BK: But the United States has a much more complicated and competitive financial system, so wouldn’t you expect more issuers to be going with chip-and-PIN?

“We don’t really think we can teach Americans to do two things at once. So we’re going to start with teaching them how to dip, and if we have another watershed event like the Target breach and consumers start clamoring for PIN, then we’ll adjust.”
Conroy: With consumers having an average of about 3.3 cards in their wallet, and the US being a far more competitive card market, the issuers are very sensitive to that. As I was doing my chip-and-PIN research earlier this year, there was one issuer that said quite bluntly, “We don’t really think we can teach Americans to do two things at once. So we’re going to start with teaching them how to dip, and if we have another watershed event like the Target breach and consumers start clamoring for PIN, then we’ll adjust.”

:words: americans are stupid and won't understand PINs, Canadians banks are stupid at planning rollouts, and chavs are nicking PINs. That being said, most of the crime mentioned revolves around using EMV data in magstripe-land so it'll be interesting to see how everything plays out

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Just-In-Timeberlake posted:

God you fucks are dense

$1000 x 12 months = $12000
$250 x 52 weeks = $13000

also you can add a :20bux: processing fee to each charge which nets you an easy extra $1000

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Just-In-Timeberlake posted:

God you fucks are dense

$1000 x 12 months = $12000
$250 x 52 weeks = $13000

nice

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
$35.72 x 365 = 13035

:smugmrgw:

Bisty Q.
Jul 22, 2008

echinopsis posted:

$35.72 x 365 = 13035

:smugmrgw:

echopenis take this to its logical conclusion and put a prepayment meter inline with the controls for the heat or w/e

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
live in a prepay fashion. your rent is controlled with an electronic countdown that you put coins into extend your length of stay by 3 days or 3 hours! the choice is yours*




*transaction fee applies




gently caress this is genius



and when it runs out the police are called and you;re evicted! a great incentive to pay on time ;]

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

I think my new card will have a chip and can do chip and pin or chip and Sig or mag and Sig or whatever

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Captain Foo posted:

I think my new card will have a chip and can do chip and pin or chip and Sig or mag and Sig or whatever

do you live in these great united states?

if so, it will not do chip+pin

chip 'n pin

chippin

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




charge by the hour echi

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

mishaq posted:

do you live in these great united states?

if so, it will not do chip+pin

chip 'n pin

chippin

USA USAA

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




*rhythmic chant*

My Linux Rig
Mar 27, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 6 years!

flakeloaf posted:

voting walmart because there are way more people spending subsistence income on cheetos than there are iphone owners

yeah and they'll just pay with cash lol

The Leck
Feb 27, 2001

what i have learned from this thread is that i will now giggle uncontrollably every time i see my card with a chip in it.

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

The Leck posted:

what i have learned from this thread is that i will now giggle uncontrollably every time i see my card with a chip in it.

chip and ring

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

My Linux Rig posted:

yeah and they'll just pay with cash lol

or the shitpile prepaid debit cards that its becoming fashionable for employers to force their minions into. i think theres only 2 choices at my job, direct deposit or prepaid card.

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:

Lutha Mahtin posted:

or the shitpile prepaid debit cards that its becoming fashionable for employers to force their minions into. i think theres only 2 choices at my job, direct deposit or prepaid card.

are you complaining that your work won't pay you in cash? or do you prefer a literal pay cheque???? get out of town

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast

bobbilljim posted:

are you complaining that your work won't pay you in cash? or do you prefer a literal pay cheque???? get out of town

hey JD Byrider requires 3 pay stubs and if you dont get checks you dont get stubs !!!!

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

bobbilljim posted:

are you complaining that your work won't pay you in cash? or do you prefer a literal pay cheque???? get out of town

he's talking about lovely retail outfits paying people with prepaid cards from companies like Comdata, who are basically the debit card version of those shady check-cashing/payday-loan places that charge you for using your own money. if you try to withdraw money from an atm, and from what i hear it doesn't work at several because it's some weird 'maestro' card, there is a extra fee. if you try to use it like a debit card (again, it doesn't actually work at many places despite technically being a mastercard) there is an extra per-transaction fee. companies that issue these cards also tend to make it annoying to sign up for direct deposit by making people do poo poo like fax a bunch of forms and cancelled checks then wait 6 weeks, at which point they will tell you they lost your paperwork. i'm sure this has nothing to do with the retail executives getting kickbacks from the card companies.

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

bobbilljim posted:

are you complaining that your work won't pay you in cash? or do you prefer a literal pay cheque???? get out of town

none of the above, shutup

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:

Lutha Mahtin posted:

i think theres only 2 choices at my job, direct deposit or prepaid card.


The_Franz posted:

he's talking about lovely retail outfits paying people with prepaid cards from companies like Comdata, who are basically the debit card version of those shady check-cashing/payday-loan places that charge you for using your own money. if you try to withdraw money from an atm, and from what i hear it doesn't work at several because it's some weird 'maestro' card, there is a extra fee. if you try to use it like a debit card (again, it doesn't actually work at many places despite technically being a mastercard) there is an extra per-transaction fee. companies that issue these cards also tend to make it annoying to sign up for direct deposit by making people do poo poo like fax a bunch of forms and cancelled checks then wait 6 weeks, at which point they will tell you they lost your paperwork. i'm sure this has nothing to do with the retail executives getting kickbacks from the card companies.
e: ok saw the bit about making it hard ot get direct deposit, thats hosed up. i wouldnt even have a cheque to give to them to cancel
yeah, im saying you should get direct deposit into your bank account. bank accounts are a thing where you are right?


Sniep posted:

hey JD Byrider requires 3 pay stubs and if you dont get checks you dont get stubs !!!!
lol i dont even get payslips normally, i have to go into some shitass SAP portal thing to get them.

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast

bobbilljim posted:

lol i dont even get payslips normally, i have to go into some shitass SAP portal thing to get them.

same? except some oracle poo poo, but it just direct deposits, i wasn't questioning that? not sure i follow your response tho

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:
im just amazed by the techno future that we live in

Jimmy Carter
Nov 3, 2005

THIS MOTHERDUCKER
FLIES IN STYLE
my roommate lost their card, and Wells Fargo is a terrible bank and the fastest they can do replacement cards is 7-10 days, so they just loaded their parent's card into pay and pretty much exclusively shopped at Whole Foods last week.

Also I have already yelled at them for living in NYC and not owning an AmEx.

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

bobbilljim posted:

e: ok saw the bit about making it hard ot get direct deposit, thats hosed up. i wouldnt even have a cheque to give to them to cancel
yeah, im saying you should get direct deposit into your bank account. bank accounts are a thing where you are right?

hell yeah im not paying bullshit fees on some idiot card thing

quote:

lol i dont even get payslips normally, i have to go into some shitass SAP portal thing to get them.

same, but its with ADP (lol). and im not sure how its saving anyone money because the only way i can imagine they get the paystub images to look the way they do is if they printed them out, scanned them back in, printed out again, faxed, then scanned a third time and converted to mid-90s-era .gif

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




p-p-p-peoplesoft lol

n-n-n-novapay lol

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theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

Jimmy Carter posted:

my roommate lost their card, and Wells Fargo is a terrible bank and the fastest they can do replacement cards is 7-10 days,

chase might be evil but having branches with card printing machines is v v v rad

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