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just another posted:they dont have to be grateful for a poo poo job but they should be grateful that they were born now and not 100 years ago Grateful how life still sucks
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Why can't we all just agree to stop reproducing at replacement levels and slowly and relatively painlessly go extinct ?
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Oct 29, 2017 19:37
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morally adept posted:Why can't we all just agree to stop reproducing at replacement levels and slowly and relatively painlessly go extinct ? pretty sure the western world already did this?
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Oct 29, 2017 19:51
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Perry Mason Jar posted:me getting some perspective: four ongoing genocides, more slaves than any time in history, more prisoners than any time in history, record refugees, daily mass shootings in the US of A, heroin epidemic, suicide epidemic, obesity epidemic, global climate in tailspin, never ending war. ah, the best of all possible worlds me getting some perspective: I can walk into practically any retail store in the world and purchase a compact device that creates fire instantly on demand for mere pennies. Put a bic lighter in my hand and stand me next to a payphone and I can convince any emperor of ancient Rome I am a god.
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Oct 29, 2017 19:54
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How is Venezuela doing these days?
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Rutibex posted:pretty sure the western world already did this? I don't think mass ecological collapse equates with painlessly. Of course why am I telling this to a poster who thinks climate change is no big deal and that the singularity is around the corner?
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Oct 29, 2017 20:07
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yeah I eat rear end posted:I don't find it hard to believe that the american soldiers were kinder and more respectful as occupiers than the soviets. Plus calling all German citizens "former nazis" is repugnant and ignorant. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28493187-als-die-soldaten-kamen quote:A million women were raped by Allied soldiers in Germany in the immediate aftermath of World War II, a new books claims. they was complicit in genocide and that's one of the causes of the german student movement. http://www.dw.com/en/68-movement-brought-lasting-changes-to-german-society/a-3257581 quote:e: I've even heard it first-hand from people who definitely were not nazis. You can call them brainwashed goebbels mouthpieces all you want but it's not true. the truth is that you uncritically believe anti soviet propaganda which isn't really surprising since creatures of the system like academics are the easiest to indoctrinate into the ideological status quo.
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Oct 29, 2017 20:24
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Magius1337est posted:sustinence farming is really fun more fun than factory work https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/27/opinion/do-sweatshops-lift-workers-out-of-poverty.html quote:To our surprise, most people who got an industrial job soon changed their minds. A majority quit within the first months. They ended up doing what those who had not gotten the job offers did — going back to the family farm, taking a construction job or selling goods at the market.
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One of the few things capitalists and communists agree on is that subsistence farmers are too stupid to know what's good for them, and should be dispossessed and shot at posthaste until they finally appreciate the happy life of the bottom-tier industrial worker
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I was specifically referring to the Americans, not the Allies (which included the raping Soviets). Even the French occupiers had an awful reputation. The German people I know who had family in the American occupied zone had nothing but good things to say about them. Are you saying they lied because the dead nazi head of propaganda told them to?
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Oct 29, 2017 20:31
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yeah I eat rear end posted:I was specifically referring to the Americans, not the Allies (which included the raping Soviets). Even the French occupiers had an awful reputation. The German people I know who had family in the American occupied zone had nothing but good things to say about them. Are you saying they lied because the dead nazi head of propaganda told them to? im saying that people uncritically repeat propaganda all the time. Literally thoughts that were put in their head that they regurgitate like an owl after hearing certain stimuli. Also anecdotal evidence is irrelevant to actual history. u really think that I believe that Stalin was an unblemished saint or that there were no rapes by Soviet soldiers in occupied Germany? the answer is i do not but because your position is so foaming at the mouth insane and demonizing of the Soviet Union that the only rational response is to say that Stalin did nothing wrong. Top City Homo fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Oct 29, 2017 |
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Oct 29, 2017 20:38
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:One of the few things capitalists and communists agree on is that subsistence farmers are too stupid to know what's good for them, and should be dispossessed and shot at posthaste until they finally appreciate the happy life of the bottom-tier industrial worker edgelord tier edit
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morally adept posted:Why can't we all just agree to stop reproducing at replacement levels and slowly and relatively painlessly go extinct ? 
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it's quite a hoot seeing the extent to which marxism is regularly corrupted by garbage internet radicalism. marx believed in the necessary supersession of subsistence farming--the 'idiocy of rural life' as he literally called it--as part of the larger historical dialectic between the forces and relations of production. the primitive accumulation of capitalism was similarly a necessary stage within this dialectic. the development of production was for marx the basic means by which human beings realized themselves through history. marx therefore necessarily valued the capitalist development of productive forces more highly than the prior modalities of production (prior societies) it destroyed. how you intend to get anywhere by criticizing the necessary historical conditions for the realization of marx's own socialist ideal is beyond me.
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Perry Mason Jar posted:your point is that we shouldn't criticize the social systems that cause needless suffering because previously there was more suffering? no my point its that if your interpretation of modernity is that liberal capitalism is a failure then there's no reason to take seriously your ideas about what is the best way forward because you're either a hopeless ideologue or you're hopelessly stupid
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*goonicus, gazing upon the ashen ruins of pompeii* behold the folly of man. we must abandon domesticity and return to the trees.
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just another posted:no my point its that if your interpretation of modernity is that liberal capitalism is a failure then there's no reason to take seriously your ideas about what is the best way forward because you're either a hopeless ideologue or you're hopelessly stupid uh so what I said? nobody's saying feudalism is literally better than capitalism, so unless you're saying that capitalism is an unequivocal success we can critique its failures (there's a lot)
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Zane posted:it's quite a hoot seeing the extent to which marxism is regularly corrupted by garbage internet radicalism. marx believed in the necessary supersession of subsistence farming--the 'idiocy of rural life' as he literally called it--as part of the larger historical dialectic between the forces and relations of production. the primitive accumulation of capitalism was similarly a necessary stage within this dialectic. the development of production was for marx the basic means by which human beings realized themselves through history. marx therefore necessarily valued the capitalist development of productive forces more highly than the prior modalities of production (prior societies) it destroyed. how you intend to get anywhere by criticizing the necessary historical conditions for the realization of marx's own socialist ideal is beyond me. not all societies develop the same form of production and capitalism can exist as a form of production without its most destructive human life crushing format if society consciously takes the driver seat. Marx wasn't deterministic the whole analysis was a call to action to take society consciously toward a better future there were numerous revolutions in human history neolithic, slave, feudalistic, bourgeoisie etc. but the socialist revolution is the first revolution that had a plan, where people consciously worked toward it instead of blindly drifting towards it over 7000 thousand, 1000 or 700 years.
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Top City Homo posted:Marx wasn't deterministic the whole analysis was a call to action to take society consciously toward a better future
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shame on an IGA posted:I don't usually use forums or Reddit, I usually just post comments on Ancap blogs like Molyneux or Cantwell's blog, but they didn't seem appropriate places to post my story. So here goes, I just wanted to share this with all of you. lol thread continues to deliver 4chan walls of text. Jesus go the gently caress back to Ancapistan, or better yet just post that dumb anarchyball meme
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Salem Saberhagen posted:To answer your question op communism is hot on the meme market with kids these days but make sure you go full anarchist when you have to talk to other communists. This will make them uncomfortable and you won't have to discuss any stupid books about private property and poo poo. People who say they are an anarchist but haven't read anything basic like The Conquest of Bread are found out in like 5 seconds though.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:I don't find it hard to believe that the american soldiers were kinder and more respectful as occupiers than the soviets. Plus calling all German citizens "former nazis" is repugnant and ignorant. Also look I don't find it hard to believe either but my dudes the Germans were just slaughtering and raping Russian civilians not too long before that whereas the Americans didn't have anything like that happening to them in the USA at the hands of the Germans so............. not to justify anything but it's not really an apples to apples comparison is it. Compare what Soviets did in Berlin to what US soldiers did in Japan, maybe would be fair. People in post-war Japan were deffo not treated well. quote:There were 1,336 reported rapes during the first 10 days of the occupation of Kanagawa Prefecture.[6] Tanaka relates that in Yokohama, the capital of the prefecture, there were 119 known rapes in September 1945.[28] None of this is even relevant to the ideologies involved anyway and says more about what happens to people during war than anything else. Buncha loving chuckleheads in GBS lately. COMRADES fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Oct 30, 2017 |
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Good post comrades
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Rutibex posted:pretty sure the western world already did this? All highly developed nations are with this program. Fertility rates in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore and South Korea are lower than Japan's. In Singapore it got down to 1.19 one year. Given iq and fertility are negatively correlated I hate to think how low it was at the top level of intelligence.
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Top City Homo posted:not all societies develop the same form of production and capitalism can exist as a form of production without its most destructive human life crushing format if society consciously takes the driver seat. you have otherwise provided a good empirically conditioned response to certain of the more rigid aspects of the entire critical tradition at stake. but it would suggest totally against the kind of doctrinalism you've visibly evinced in every other instance. which is a shame really. Zane fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Oct 30, 2017 |
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Oct 30, 2017 05:36
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COMRADES posted:People who say they are an anarchist but haven't read anything basic like The Conquest of Bread are found out in like 5 seconds though. I've read the anarchist cookbook does that count?
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OP, go with communism so that you can hopefully grow out of it by the time you get out into the real world.
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radical centrism is the new "it", op
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Neurosis posted:All highly developed nations are with this program. Fertility rates in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore and South Korea are lower than Japan's. In Singapore it got down to 1.19 one year. Given iq and fertility are negatively correlated I hate to think how low it was at the top level of intelligence. Who wants to breed when you spend your life cramming for exams only to be rewarded with long soul crushing work hours?
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Magius1337est posted:How is it capitalism's fault? yeah, saudis. a.k.a. clients of american and western defense corporations, for one thing.
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