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SlothfulCobra posted:Uggh, they really did that? Gross. A character on Discovery says they went to Elon Musk High School, and he's name dropped in a quick list of Important Science People alongside the likes of Newton and Hawking. Mind you, this was written and filmed before the start of Musk's spiral into unignorable insanity. Not that that helps much.
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Not shrouded in myth? Nobody knew where it was. In TFA Han says after he screwed up his own school Luke went searching for the original Jedi Temple.
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SlothfulCobra posted:It was weird that they were just on the planet where Jedi were founded with their founding documents, and it's just a normal place that's not shrouded in myth or legend or anything. Even some natives sworn to the service of Jedi forevermore somehow. Weird place to go if you're in hiding and want to quit the force. See I thought this was great. Like it's a place that used to be important, but times changed, and nobody cares now. The only person there is himself a Jedi trying to get back to his roots. A bit silly that those books hadn't fallen apart, but I guess they're space books. There's tons of places right here on earth that used to be hella important and are just abandoned ruins now. No ancient society is still guarding Persepolis, because why would they? nine-gear crow posted:A character on Discovery says they went to Elon Musk High School, and he's name dropped in a quick list of Important Science People alongside the likes of Newton and Hawking. They should have brought him up in the context of being a space pioneer, but one who was fatally attached to the capitalist structures of the past. next you'll tell me new Trek loves capitalism PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Sep 1, 2020 |
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I keep thinking that Disney should have set their new Trilogy a century or more after Return of the Jedi. It would have given them a blank slate to do whatever they wanted, but I can understand they wanted to play it safe, and wanted to use the old actors when they still had them.
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I know that they were sorta trying to evoke the same thing as Dagobah, like "look at this fuckin' hole", but it doesn't feel so much like ancient ruins and more like a small town in Oklahoma. There's still plenty of people, they're just all boring. And you can still get like McDonald's. Like it's a mediocre planet, but not in an interesting way. I bet a lot of people would want to retire there. It's one of those subversions to expectations I didn't have and by ironically being a boring place with nothing going on, it was legitimately just kind of a boring place with nothing going on, except also it was some kind of critically important place except not. I didn't think of the Jedi being all about their ancient ruins and writings before, but then they were and then they weren't. Burn it all down, why not. Who cares.
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SlothfulCobra posted:a small town in Oklahoma. I'd take Dagobah, personally.
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SlothfulCobra posted:It was weird that they were just on the planet where Jedi were founded with their founding documents, and it's just a normal place that's not shrouded in myth or legend or anything. Even some natives sworn to the service of Jedi forevermore somehow. Weird place to go if you're in hiding and want to quit the force. The Empire knew where it was, too. Luke found the compass that led to the planet in one of Sheev's vaults, and Kylo had it on his desk next to his lightsaber when Luke tried to kill him, so presumably he knew how to get there, but just forgot.
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twistedmentat posted:I keep thinking that Disney should have set their new Trilogy a century or more after Return of the Jedi. It would have given them a blank slate to do whatever they wanted, but I can understand they wanted to play it safe, and wanted to use the old actors when they still had them. Star Wars is perpetually stretched over the tension between "space," with its attendant implication that individual humans are small compared to just how much stuff and emptiness there is all around them, and "opera," which centers all the drama of the story around a very small number of superlative people. This was part of the reason it was cool to read the Star Wars Galaxy postmortems - making anything about Star Wars ends up pulling in two very different audiences, one that wants a universe/setting and one that wants Luke Skywalker/specific characters. I don't really think either desire is wrong, to be clear, but it's very hard to serve both of those.
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Tulip posted:Star Wars is perpetually stretched over the tension between "space," with its attendant implication that individual humans are small compared to just how much stuff and emptiness there is all around them, and "opera," which centers all the drama of the story around a very small number of superlative people. It's sorta the same problem as Star Trek has, some people want to see stuff set in its universe, some people just want to see Kirk and Spock.
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I fell asleep with youtube going and woke up to part 1/6 of a force awakens critique. It was about 20 minutes in and the dude was ranting about another youtuber’s dark souls review. Part 1/6 was 2h45 or so. I think I’d rather watch RoS.
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Good interview with John Boyega which touches a bit on his experience with the films- https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/culture/article/john-boyega-interview-2020
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I fell asleep with youtube going and woke up to part 1/6 of a force awakens critique. It was about 20 minutes in and the dude was ranting about another youtuber’s dark souls review. Part 1/6 was 2h45 or so. I think I’d rather watch RoS. I think I know the dude you speak of. If it is in fact him, then know that he once made a literal 11 hour angry frothing response video to someone else's 20 minute long video where the person said "I didn't like the new Joker movie, I guess it wasn't for me." Good rule of thumb: any critique video that goes on longer than the piece of media it's reviewing is usually always awful and a waste of everyone's time. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Sep 2, 2020 |
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:Good interview with John Boyega which touches a bit on his experience with the films- This is a really good read. Thank you for sharing it.
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nine-gear crow posted:I think I know the dude you speak of. If it is in fact him, then know that he once made a literal 11 hour angry frothing response video to someone else's 20 minute long video where the person said "I didn't like the new Joker movie, I guess it wasn't for me." Dude was really mad Jenny Nicholson didn't like Joker.
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twistedmentat posted:Dude was really mad Jenny Nicholson didn't like Joker. I love how the best defense people have of that video is "Well,  , he only screamed about Jenny for about 4 hours of the video. The rest of it is just him and his friends repeating the same memes over and over again. You really should watch all 11 hours of it yourself before you comment on it  "
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The real rule of two is that there can be only two good star wars movies
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drat horror queefs posted:The real rule of two is that there can be only two good star wars movies
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twistedmentat posted:Dude was really mad Jenny Nicholson didn't like Joker. A really good example of how toxic some dudes are to women was from Jenny's recent video about buying her giant spider plush where she visited an old theme park that used to be/was still kind of Flintstones themed and some random dude accused her of being a fake Flintstones fan.
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Im trying to imagine a theoretical real Flintstones fan and Im picturing a grave because they're all dead.
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Barudak posted:Im trying to imagine a theoretical real Flintstones fan and Im picturing a grave because they're all dead. Yabba dabba doo.
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nine-gear crow posted:Yabba dabba doo. Yabba to dabba Doo to doo <coffin is placed on the side of the hearse, tipping it over>
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A real Flinstones fan would just be a The Honeymooners fan, thus its a self defeating title.
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:Good interview with John Boyega which touches a bit on his experience with the films- As a TLJ fan, I do think Finn's arc could've hit harder had the elevator scene and alternate Phasma scene was used; but it was assumed that the next movie would complete his arc. So with TROS being the final result, it's more than understandable to use TLJ as ground zero for said untrajectory. But like holy poo poo TROS hosed everyone to the side, and from the looks of it here it sounds less like a JJ thing and more like executive meddling. I mean how the gently caress to you go from this:  To this:  Jfc this stupid movie. Finn was done dirty.
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muscles like this! posted:A really good example of how toxic some dudes are to women was from Jenny's recent video about buying her giant spider plush where she visited an old theme park that used to be/was still kind of Flintstones themed and some random dude accused her of being a fake Flintstones fan. Yea, because there is no way a 28 year old woman would know what the Flintstones! It's not like they haven't been on TV in her lifetime! I was thinking of the most fan wanky thing I could think of to insert into my head version of epIX and I figured out that when they go into Palpatines vault, they see displays of a lightsaber and tattered jedi robes. FInn goes up to one and pulls it down from the wall, igniting it showing a green blade. Rose does the same thing and its blue, then Poe and its purple. Finn says "I can hear the owner of it, in my head. Kitt Fisto he was known as. He was a jedi murdered by Palpatine." but at that moment, there is a noise from the vault, and a Destroyer Droid that is partially made up of General Grevious becomes active. That still sounds better than what we got in RoS. twistedmentat fucked around with this message at 08:07 on Sep 3, 2020 |
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MasqueradeOverture posted:As a TLJ fan, I do think Finn's arc could've hit harder had the elevator scene and alternate Phasma scene was used; but it was assumed that the next movie would complete his arc. So with TROS being the final result, it's more than understandable to use TLJ as ground zero for said untrajectory. It makes me wonder who exactly made the call on tossing Duel of the Fates into the industrial shredder, and for what specific reason. And did anyone along the line have a panicked realization when they saw how The Rise of Skywalker was coming together and think "Oh poo poo, we should have just used Colin's script  "
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I feel like there's a trend of blockbusters getting focus grouped out of their original concept into a mess, then hastily reshot halfway back to the original concept.
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Barudak posted:Im trying to imagine a theoretical real Flintstones fan and Im picturing a grave because they're all dead. Fred killed them 
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Atrocious Joe posted:Fred killed them Flintstones 2016 is so loving good 
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I never watched Rise of Skywalker, but from what I hear, it was hated by anyone who liked Last Jedi, perfectly assuring that the entire sequel trilogy as an item appeals to nobody. I wonder what audience was most influential on their treatment of Finn's character, internet racists or chinese racists. twistedmentat posted:Yea, because there is no way a 28 year old woman would know what the Flintstones! It's not like they haven't been on TV in her lifetime! To be fair, she looks a lot younger than she is. But then again, if you're really going to curate "Flintstones fandom" then surely nobody under 70 when they could've seen the original Fintstones on TV is a true Flintstones fan and that random weirdo probably only saw Flintstones long after it was repackaged as a much narrower show targeted only at kids because everyone had forgotten that adults sometimes watch cartoons.
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True Flinstones fans smoke Winston cigarettes then wash it down with a Busch beer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVRO6GAfvzA&t=10s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEZGaLlLfcY
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SlothfulCobra posted:I never watched Rise of Skywalker, but from what I hear, it was hated by anyone who liked Last Jedi, perfectly assuring that the entire sequel trilogy as an item appeals to nobody. The Rise of Skywalker is kind of universally hated from my experience, regardless of one's stance on The Last Jedi. I've seen scattered blips of " , I kind of liked it", but largely it's regarded even worse than The Phantom Menace in people's personal rankings of the movies. It kind of deserves to be held up as an example of what happens when you make a reactionary movie to try and appease reactionaries with: everyone is going to come away displeased with it. The people whose approval you're chasing will never be happy anyway, and the people who liked what you did that pissed off all the grognards are going to feel deeply betrayed that you walked it back in a panic and left them twisting in the wind.
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nine-gear crow posted:It makes me wonder who exactly made the call on tossing Duel of the Fates into the industrial shredder, and for what specific reason. And did anyone along the line have a panicked realization when they saw how The Rise of Skywalker was coming together and think "Oh poo poo, we should have just used Colin's script Kathleen Kennedy, presumably.
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I've heard speculation that Trevorrow was let go because Book of Henry bombed, but more likely what happened is that he only started working on Star Wars full time after he finished Book of Henry, and had conflicts with the studio about the story. His script had been in pre-production with the art department for several months by that point, so the studio probably had a while to compile notes, with the intention to have Trevorrow address them once he was fully on the movie. Jack Thorne was brought on to do rewrites on Trevorrow's script, so Trevorrow seems to have been unable or unwilling to do what the studio wanted. Either way, he was also let go along with Trevorrow, and Abrams was brought back. Since Trevorrow's draft leaked online, we can compare against the final film and maybe infer what the studio did or didn't want to include:
There are some similarities between the two drafts though, which might be things that the studio wanted to include:
Overall, while not objectively better, Trevorrow's script did seem to want to make Episode IX a finale for the entire saga, and brought in a lot of Prequel elements and even some prominent EU references, which may not have sat well with the studio's desire to ignore the Prequels as much as possible. Leia's role was also a big hurdle, since a big chunk of the movie is devoted to a subplot involving the Resistance trying to send an inspiring "Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi" message from her across the galaxy to unite them against the First Order. Robot Style fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Sep 4, 2020 |
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Bringing it back to Jenny Nicholson again, she actually did a readthrough of the Trevorrow script on her channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AGvXqviRys She also did a readthrough of Alan Dean Foster's treatment of Episode 9 (which is bonkers) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aanyjLmB1Bs
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muscles like this! posted:Bringing it back to Jenny Nicholson again, she actually did a readthrough of the Trevorrow script on her channel. https://youtu.be/TJGm8Sj7Qn8 And just for fun, she also looked at an allegedly professionally published Reylo fanfic that is clearly just The Last Jedi with "original" characters. jas baylar
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nine-gear crow posted:https://youtu.be/TJGm8Sj7Qn8 That fanfic is hilariously bad
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muscles like this! posted:Bringing it back to Jenny Nicholson again, she actually did a readthrough of the Trevorrow script on her channel. The best part about the Foster readthrough is that she recorded it just before seeing the actual film... and a lot of her criticisms of Foster's treatment apply to both.
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I'm rewatching Episode 2 for the first time in forever and this frame here is the perfect reason why I think the Prequels are better than the Sequels: Here we se Dokuu, the apprentice of Sidious, confused as to where the jedi got their army because he has been working for his master to bring the republic down. This has been going on since episode 1 and ends in episode 3 and the whole trilogy is the story of how Palpatine manipulated the system and played both sides to take power. He's ordered a clone army ages ago knowing full well no one would let him field it except for an emergency and so he creates that emergency. It fits with what he does in Episode 6 with the fake totally not functional death star. Palpatine plans ahead and schemes and manipulates and that's what happens here. Then you have the sequels that is one repetition of an old movie with no backstory, one that's just a big gently caress you to the one before and a third where palpatine just has 2000 star ships out of loving nowhere. Edit: His plan in the prequels have so many things that can go wrong too and I love that. He's betting a lot on luck. He reminds me of Blackbeard in One Piece in the best way. Man with Hat fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Sep 4, 2020 |
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