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Tekopo posted:in ADP there's no way to stop the Taliban from rallying, so the government should do its upmost to completely gently caress over the Coalition at any chance it gets. That this is the intended design and also that a lot of players don't realize this at first is probably the funniest thematic game mechanic ever.
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Didnt know if I should put this in the BG thread or not,but ill try here first: what are the opinions on Memoir '44 and Achtung! Cthulhu: Shadows over Normandie? Looking for a wargame that my buddies can ease into
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Memoir '44 is a baby game for babies that I hate, but it's decently popular among normie cardboarders, so it might work. Don't expect to do much thinking during the game. Normandie stuff is pure, unfiltered ameritrash, not even taking the cthulhu bit into account. Whether it's good or bad kind of depends on you. If your buddies are in serious need of gatewaying from like light euros, Memoir will probably be your best bet, but if you're used to heavier stuff, like whichever 3+ hour FFG game, jump straight to Combat Commander for fun times (just make sure to wrap your head around the rules yourself before explaining it to others). If you're not particularly keen on sneaking in particular board-wargame mechanics (like hex-based movement or whatever) and are more looking for general "commanding little toy soldiers is fun" vibe, go out there and embrace Warhammer: Diskwars (it's more of a miniatures-style wargame).
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Mar 10, 2016 11:04
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People ranting on Facebook about how a computer beating a Go master is no big deal because "chess and go are largely deterministic", and then going on to say that no AI would ever be able to beat an ASL master because there are too many reactionary choices to make. I love grognards
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Mar 10, 2016 14:33
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No computer program can complete any dungeon I run as DM for D&D 
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Mar 10, 2016 15:07
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COOL CORN posted:People ranting on Facebook about how a computer beating a Go master is no big deal because "chess and go are largely deterministic", and then going on to say that no AI would ever be able to beat an ASL master because there are too many reactionary choices to make. Not sure I want to gaze into the abyss and I'm probably asking the most "duh" question there is, but is...is there an ASL ranking system?
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Mar 10, 2016 17:56
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WAR DOGS OF SOCHI posted:Not sure I want to gaze into the abyss and I'm probably asking the most "duh" question there is, but is...is there an ASL ranking system? There is not.
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Mar 10, 2016 18:29
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Anyone wanna do some VASSAL COIN on Sunday? I'm EST but I'm pretty free that day. Down for whateva~
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Mar 10, 2016 23:01
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COOL CORN posted:There is not. Not for lack of trying http://www.asl-area.org/index.html  Also used to be something called ROAR https://wargamecenter.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/roar-the-automated-record-of-played-asl-games/
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Advanced Squad Leader really is the Magic, The Gathering of war games isn't it. This is coming from someone who likes and has put too much time and money into ASL. EDIT: To be fair, you can be a dick and play MtG because there's always someone else to Trynant fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Mar 11, 2016 |
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Mar 11, 2016 00:32
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There's also the ASL ladder. http://aslladder.com/
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Mar 11, 2016 00:56
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Dre2Dee2 posted:Anyone wanna do some VASSAL COIN on Sunday? I'm EST but I'm pretty free that day. Down for whateva~ I'm still down for this.
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Dre2Dee2 posted:Anyone wanna do some VASSAL COIN on Sunday? I'm EST but I'm pretty free that day. Down for whateva~ I'm EST too and looking to play something. Liberty or Death? 
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I'm free Sunday too! (dunno how many people have replied so far) I'm up for anything.
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Has anybody played Race to the Rhine? It looks really intersting.
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Mar 11, 2016 12:21
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I haven't played it, but I heard it leers to the side of Euro-y rather than wargamy.
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Edit: Watched Marcos review... I think I'm gonna pass. Selecta84 fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Mar 11, 2016 |
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Mar 11, 2016 13:22
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I started a solo FITL game as US last night. Thought I had a pretty solid grasp on the bots at this point, then I got hit with the Plei Mei event. According to the player aid, VC choose this event if NVA is not a human player. The text reads "NVA free March from any spaces outside South Vietnam, then free Attack or Ambush any 1 space." Figuring out the priority source and target regions, as well as the number of units to move to each target region, was one of the most head-scratching experiences I've had with this game yet.
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I'll be on #boardgoons on SYNIRC around 2PM EST for anyone who wants to do some VASSAL COIN. Be there or flip your hidden units to active 
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I really wish I could handle VASSAL : (
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Starting a VASSAL COIN game now, just need 1 more for LoD~
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Mar 13, 2016 06:43
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Liberty or Death trip report: So we played a game that ended prematurely due to the deck function loving up. My conclusion is that the game really didn't need to be 4 players. The Indians and French just aren't interesting at all. If they reworked it to be 2-player it would probably be a much better game.
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Well that's disappointing. We'll have to see what the actual 2P COIN game is going to be like, but it did feel to me that making L&D a 4P game just to stick to the COIN formula just didn't feel right.
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COOL CORN posted:People ranting on Facebook about how a computer beating a Go master is no big deal because "chess and go are largely deterministic", and then going on to say that no AI would ever be able to beat an ASL master because there are too many reactionary choices to make. No computer has ever been able to run an ASL game.  Checkmate, Deep Blue.
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Not technically correct anymore
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Tekopo posted:Not technically correct anymore Show me a functioning ASL and SASL, and I shall buy it. Tigers on the hunt or whatever is ASL-lite and we both know it.
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Tekopo posted:It's not like people play full-on ASL with all the bells and whistles anyway I can't comment simply because I don't know all the bells and whistles yet 
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Jobbo_Fett posted:I can't comment simply because I don't know all the bells and whistles yet Tekopo fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Tekopo posted:It's not like people play full-on ASL with all the bells and whistles anyway Tell that to the group of guys I stopped playing with because they would always trot out some obscure rule that made every move I made terrible. (tbh most every move I would make was terrible regardless)
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Panzeh posted:Liberty or Death trip report: Agreed, for the most part. If the scenario had played out longer due to VASSAL not loving up, I could see the French being somewhat more involved, but even then they're mostly slaves to the Patriots' goals. The Indians seem to be a lost cause -- even controlling them and the Brits, I didn't feel like the Indians provided much of anything interesting. I'd be interested in playing some of the older COIN games (particularly CL or ADP) -- hit me up if you're looking to play. e: They seem particularly suited to PBEM, has anyone tried playing them this way? Athaboros fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Panzeh posted:Liberty or Death trip report: Yeah, as the French your decisions are "give the pats money" or "give the pats a cube"... that's it. Until Treaty of the Alliance comes out, that's all you can do. Even once it DOES, you still really can't do much. You can drop some troops, but you only get 12 cubes, and your movement is tied to going / being with colonials, so again... not a lot of decisions here. I also feel like the game punishes you way too much for being on the offensive. You cant move and attack, so if your opponent has a fort and a nice blob of units, if you march in, you are just giving them a free first strike. In our game, things got stalled out into threatening stare-downs that didn't go anywhere. The pats' Brilliant Stroke lead to one of the few major assaults, but even that blew up in their face so... yeah. Maybe the pats and brits should've been more offensive, but it felt kinda risky. I don't know, I was the French, I literally had no units so... Glad I didn't buy it, because really not for me. Athaboros posted:I'd be interested in playing some of the older COIN games (particularly CL or ADP) -- hit me up if you're looking to play. e: They seem particularly suited to PBEM, has anyone tried playing them this way? I have not played PBEM but I am down for more games 
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COIN games are basically area control so the limitation on march-and-attack is very much intended. You have to force your opponents into a situation where they have to react to you and you can't just build up and then strike out. The cube limitations are, of course, a big part of this, but the game doesn't punish you for going on the offensive. It punishes you for trying to go on the offensive too late or attack a well prepared position. This can lead to some lovely stalemates though, which I guess is what the card deck and player politics are for. Of course, if everyone is near their win condition then a stalemate is almost guaranteed. My first couple games of Cuba Libre went this way because my group was learning the game.
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In the last solo Cuba Libre game I played a stalemate situation developed; the board ended up in a three-way split with Government controlling the western half, Castro the eastern half (including the eastern most city),\ and DR in the middle. DR didn't have enough pieces to move against either faction without giving up territory to the other and the government was largely content to sit on what they had and couldn't really afford to be more aggressive anyways. J26 was slowly grinding away at DR, but an early 5th prop ended the game with a tied Government/Syndicate win. Was I missing something? I couldn't think of a good way for either of the insurgent factions to break out of the stalemate. Government, with enough resources, seems capable of overcoming a stalemate, but in this case the Government had neither the resources not the incentive to try. A huge caveat, though I have CL P500ed I don't own it yet, so I don't actually have the bot flow charts to work off of. I was attempting to make decisions for each faction according to what I thought that faction should do, so its possibly the answer is just "better diplomacy", which is hard to do well in a solo game, or "bot logic", which come on GMT take my money.
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Dre2Dee2 posted:Yeah, as the French your decisions are "give the pats money" or "give the pats a cube"... that's it. Until Treaty of the Alliance comes out, that's all you can do. Even once it DOES, you still really can't do much. You can drop some troops, but you only get 12 cubes, and your movement is tied to going / being with colonials, so again... not a lot of decisions here. I feel like this is really reductive. While it's true that your only two commands before Treaty of Alliance are giving the Patriots money or a cube (or two militia), Event play and blocking is still extremely important. After ToA, you have nearly the flexibility of the British in movement, as you can use the sea, and more flexibility than the British in Muster placement. True, you have fewer troops than the British overall, but you can force the Patriot continentals to come with you and fight with you. And yes, you have to move into spaces with a Patriot piece, or with a Patriot piece, or if by sea any Rebellion-controlled city or any space adjacent to one. That's still going to be most of the map, especially as long as you're keeping the sea lanes open. Speaking of sea lanes, there's FNI to think about as well, which if used correctly can be the most crippling ability in the game. The way the Patriots and French fit together also makes them able to effectively March and Battle on the same turn if they combine forces, which creates an interesting relationship because the Patriots—while they are interested in opening up areas so they can drive Opposition—don't want lots and lots of British deaths, like the French do. But without French regular forces (it's hard to create large regular forces as the Patriots) they're toast. Even more, it's only the French who can warp Patriot troops around the map over the sea, so the Patriots are naturally invested in keeping the French happy. The French are the ones with the money, too, so they can definitely bully the continentals into marching around with them, because the Patriots will be hard-pressed to spend the resources to get them back to where they might like them to be more. On the comments about battles, Ithle01 is right on the money. Also, what do you mean by "free first strike"? If they attack, they lose the benefit of the fort, and if you didn't want to go up against their force, why would you walk into the space anyway, regardless of whether they're going to attack or defend? Sure, creating a blob is powerful, but the only faction that can possibly blob and not give up most of the board is the British, but an unmoving blob for the British is a blob that isn't threatening spaces and forcing the Patriots to spend their meager money reserves. Etc.
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Well killing cubes is important because it's tied to victory condition. It was all our first play, so I'm sure we hosed it up in terms of execution of strategy. I'd be willing to play it again, but I don't think I would want to be the French again, personally.
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If someone cannot make an ASL AI, I'm sure someone could make a ASL grognard chat bot that could pass the Turing test*. *the main trick is that the bot is not allowed to know every rule in the game and gets confused.
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Falling Sky stealth-delayed to late April. 
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FoF2 stealth delayed to the heat death of the universe.
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Lichtenstein posted:Falling Sky stealth-delayed to late April. Oh, well that's not bad. What was the original date, late March?
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