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Dems ain't gonna save you. Best to just try to nudge the collapse of the empire into a leftward direction when it arrives.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Third World Theory is perfectly valid, but believing that you can organize a Maoist international from a blog isn't. theory and praxis, theory and praxis
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Oct 19, 2017 13:51
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https://twitter.com/SamanthaJPower/status/920983156270010368
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Oct 19, 2017 13:52
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idea: fix the dang contradictions
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Oct 19, 2017 13:53
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cass sunstein is perhaps my least-favorite obama hanger-on and that's a feat
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Lessail posted:lol that you still say this oh, are you one of the people who unironically said that it was good for Keith to back the millionaire shithead and back down on banning corporate donations, because those things might help him win the centrists and we all know it's impossible to win an election without centrists
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Oct 19, 2017 13:59
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 fellas, im rethinking my anti-bernie stance
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gradenko_2000 posted:Huh this is a good way to frame it. Thank you! Richard Wolff has good videos that go about this--some without dropping the word socialism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rde3O50mTFk Of course Wolff advocates for coop-based social democracy 99% of the time, but it's a start.
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Oct 19, 2017 14:07
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:
hell yes
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Oct 19, 2017 14:11
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Main Paineframe posted:oh, are you one of the people who unironically said that it was good for Keith to back the millionaire shithead and back down on banning corporate donations, because those things might help him win the centrists and we all know it's impossible to win an election without centrists i mean, for that particular election? yeah, considering the nature of it. i mean i'd hesitate to say it was a good thing, but it was tactically understandable. that he ended up getting nothing for it makes it more distressing in hindsight.
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Oct 19, 2017 14:23
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in short, gently caress obama
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Oct 19, 2017 14:24
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Ruzihm posted:Richard Wolff has good videos that go about this--some without dropping the word socialism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rde3O50mTFk https://jacobinmag.com/2017/06/private-government-interview-elizabeth-anderson/
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Oct 19, 2017 14:28
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Jazerus posted:cass sunstein is perhaps my least-favorite obama hanger-on and that's a feat I read a book of his in college, 12 years ago (gently caress), where he talked about how the Internet was going to lead to stronger political polarization because, given the choice, most people will only want to talk to people who agree with them on everything and at the time I was like "ok sure grandpa  " but yeah that happenedperez and ellison are basically the same person 
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:
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Oct 19, 2017 14:59
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bernie lookin extremely relatable there
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loquacius posted:I read a book of his in college, 12 years ago (gently caress), where he talked about how the Internet was going to lead to stronger political polarization because, given the choice, most people will only want to talk to people who agree with them on everything he's not a bad psycho-sociologist, actually quite insightful that makes it all the worse that he wholeheartedly deploys his talents on behalf of neoliberalism
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Oct 19, 2017 15:01
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Serf posted:bernie lookin extremely relatable there He looks like he hasn't slept in about a week. ...so yes.
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Oct 19, 2017 15:02
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Oh Snapple! posted:i mean, for that particular election? yeah, considering the nature of it. the same people who voted in the DNC chair election are going to vote on 80% of the Executive Committee seats. the DNC chair gets a few free picks, but it's the general membership that decides the majority of the committee probably works the same for some other committees too, but I don't know because there's basically zero public info on this stuff that I can find true change comes from the bottom up. though to fair, the left has been doing a pretty good job of that, pushing to get people elected to the state party positions that make up the bulk of the DNC general membership. doubt it'll have much impact this year, but if the enthusiasm keeps up for a couple more years...
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Oct 19, 2017 15:04
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to hell with Samantha Power. Lady's got a bunch of blood on her hands too. Ruzihm posted:Of course Wolff advocates for coop-based social democracy 99% of the time, but it's a start. Syndicalism owns
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Oct 19, 2017 15:06
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We're gonna have to Whig them 
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Oct 19, 2017 15:06
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Draft Bernie imo Dems are a loving waste
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Oct 19, 2017 15:15
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sunstein co-wrote a book called "nudge" which is basically a guide to subtly manipulating people as a designer or institution through environmental cues and exploiting the human tendency to pursue a path of least resistance. this is spoken about in the patronizing frame of "nudging people to do what's best for themselves" but it's just as easily used to any other end his application of sociology and psychology to politics in service of facilitating this kind of dystopian social engineering is evil
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Oct 19, 2017 15:17
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cant wait for the 2020 primaries as jeff bezos and mark zuckerberg debate
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Oct 19, 2017 15:17
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Bernie's an independent, so maybe he could run on the American Independent Party ticket
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gradenko_2000 posted:Syndicalism owns Compared to what we see today, yea a syndicalist organization of production is more sensitive to externalities, but there would still be cycles of boom & bust and a tendency towards externalized exploitation and such. I'm pro co-ops for now just because we need to rapidly stem climate change, and having production run by people who can just pay away its short term effects on them personally is uh, not good.
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Oct 19, 2017 15:18
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gradenko_2000 posted:Bernie's an independent, so maybe he could run on the American Independent Party ticket True story, when I was in my early twenties I registered with that party when I actually wanted to register as independent
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Probably Magic posted:If I want competition in non-utility fields (and I'd consider healthcare definitely a futility) does that make me a filthy liberal or am I social democrat or what. Solid typo.
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Oct 19, 2017 15:32
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These are the same people who loudly insisted that Hillary dominated every debate against Bernie and against Trump. And that Kaine killed it against Pence because he forced some soundbite replies.
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Oct 19, 2017 15:38
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Thoguh posted:These are the same people who loudly insisted that Hillary dominated every debate against Bernie and against Trump. And that Kaine killed it against Pence because he forced some soundbite replies. i hadn't thought about kaine's spectacular implosion against pence in quite a while man that was embarassing
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Kaine: Trump said women are poo poo. Pence: Well sure, but we can get back to the issue at hand? We need to murder more poor browns. Kaine: Yes, but Trump did say poo poo 
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hillary did dominate the first and third debate against trump imo, the second one was a bit dicier but she still came off better. sanders bombed the first debate (because he refused to prepare) but got better in subsequent ones. kaine got wrecked by pence, although to be fair pence's style of "montonously lying to the camera over and over again without even an ounce of shame" is, as it turns out, extremely effective.
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Oct 19, 2017 15:45
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Thoguh posted:Solid typo.
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Oct 19, 2017 15:46
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That user /u/Bernies_Lakehouse has literally posted absolutely nothing except about about how much they hate Bernie Sanders every single day for months now. These people have advanced brain diseases.
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Concerned Citizen posted:hillary did dominate the first and third debate against trump imo, the second one was a bit dicier but she still came off better. sanders bombed the first debate (because he refused to prepare) but got better in subsequent ones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4Tinv8DMBM* In retrospect, Hillary didn't do well at all. Sure, she was more factual. She was more professional. But Trump was more compelling. * This is only a clip from the first debate, but it's worth noting that the first applause is when Trump calls on Hillary to release her emails.
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Oct 19, 2017 15:56
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idk actual honest to god polls said she won the debates but at the same time, she probably didnt win wisconsin with them sooo
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mfw i try to hand a political party easy wins in 2018 and 2020 and they decide they'd rather be paid to lose
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Just so that we avoid essentializing this to developing countries: this is literally the development model of First World capitalism. i mean we have been doing that poo poo since the early roman empire. its a brutal, rarely discussed fact of urbanization
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anime was right posted:idk actual honest to god polls said she won the debates but at the same time, she probably didnt win wisconsin with them sooo Actual honest to god polls said she had +90% chance of winning the presidency lol I think debate polling is much more subjective. At the time, I thought she won all the debates. I watched all of them intently and felt that Donald was toast. In retrospect, she was incredibly weak, boring, uncompelling imo.
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