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icantfindaname posted:A lot of countries in Africa are doing pretty okay, there exist black people there who lead middle class lives and aren't terrorized and murdered by a racist police system Isn't Africa also looking at doing a European Union sort of thing? Last I heard Africa is continually becoming less and less of a war torn hell hole because, surprise surprise, war sucks and people prefer to get along.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Isn't Africa also looking at doing a European Union sort of thing? Last I heard Africa is continually becoming less and less of a war torn hell hole because, surprise surprise, war sucks and people prefer to get along. The African Union has been around for a number of years and there's been a Pan-African movement for a long time, but it faces a lot of hurdles and constraints. There's also been incredible progress in general terms of SoL across Africa as well as cooperation fighting groups like Boko Haram, but there's still a lot of war, disease and political corruption.
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Jan 18, 2017 18:27
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Can people stop using Africa as the catch-all shithole location please
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silence_kit posted:I think that everybody in this thread could benefit from a little perspective and take a moment to reflect upon themselves and realize just how much privilege everyone here really has. Everyone has their own privilege then need to check. I'm a Male, I have a structural advantage and access to things that females don't have easy access to. I grew up with both of my parents in a "middle class" whatever the gently caress that means nowadays. I had advantages and access to resources and information that poorer and less well off students didn't have. My parents were able to afford a computer, which meant I was able to mess around with and learn about what would be my career as an adult. So yeah, I'm better off than those in "third world" countries, and that is partially thanks to the fact I was born here in my situation. Which I am extremely grateful for. Your statement makes has the assumption that It's impossible to focus or think about multiple things. I think about Economic inequality of poor americans of all races. My assertion that Blacks have it lovely in this country isn't an implication that only Black people have it lovely. It's just that in terms of equality, and fair treatment in the law and economically for minorities and white people in the same social and financial groups, the minorities are worse off. Look at JPMorgan which just got hit with a lawsuit about racial discrimination in handing out higher rates for black people than white people with the same credit profile. What your post essentially says is that If someone has it worse off than you it's wrong to ask for your own situation to be made fair and equal.. Which is pretty silly as it's never wrong to ask for fairness and equality.
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Where people apply the care and effort they are able to muster is their prerogative and no one else's. What people do to help in whatever situation should not be put down with idiocies about how others have it worse. Yes, there is injustice everywhere, but it needs fixing everywhere, and you don't have to start at the bottom, you can start where you are standing. Some people look around them and say to themselves, "I want to help where things are truly awful", and when they do, that is to be commended. Others look around say, "things need fixing around here", and again, the work they do there is to be commended. People who look at those people and say, "why don't you care about what I care about?", or "Other people need it more than the people you are helping." Those people, they aren't helping. They are trying to position themselves as superior to those who actually give their own time and effort, while simultaneously excusing themselves from having to do anything themselves. remusclaw fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Jan 18, 2017 |
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Jan 18, 2017 18:37
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Koalas March posted:I am going to respond to him earnestly in a bit because he genuinely doesn't get it and I want to help him learn. I think the mod challenge shows that I was right. A few responses in this thread, before you prematurely unveiled what was behind the curtain, showed that many people, not just poor rural white men, interpret 'check your privilege' as a way to belittle people's own personal problems. I am assuming the posters here are are not all actually poor rural white men. It's not even a masterful post, given the constraints I was given, and I still got the responses I predicted. I even recycled much of PT6A's post in the other thread to use here.
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icantfindaname posted:A lot of countries in Africa are doing pretty okay, there exist black people there who lead middle class lives and aren't terrorized and murdered by a racist police system This is true, and a lot of people have no idea how huge Africa is and how many amazing cities are located there. For example here are some awesome countries I'd love to go to: Senegal    Ethiopa   Kenya  
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Anyone thinking dirt-floor poverty doesn't exist here in the US is ignorant to the point of blindness. I refer you to the Viola Davis interview I posted earlier, where she describes being born in a sharecropper's shack in the sixties. But of course silence_kit doesn't know what a sharecropper's shack even is, because anytime he gets nervous he might learn something he starts screaming about what the SJWs in his head tell him.
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silence_kit posted:I think the mod challenge shows that I was right. A few responses in this thread, before you prematurely unveiled what was behind the curtain, showed that many people, not just poor rural white men, interpret 'check your privilege' as a way to belittle people's own personal problems. I am assuming the posters here are are not all actually poor rural white men. Not surprised you didn't learn anything from this. edit: I didn't give you the challenge because I didn't think anyone would tell you to gently caress off. I gave it to you so that you could see the responses, reflect on them and realize how dumb the poo poo you post is. also what restraints were you given?
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silence_kit posted:I think the mod challenge shows that I was right. A few responses in this thread, before you prematurely unveiled what was behind the curtain, showed that many people, not just poor rural white men, interpret 'check your privilege' as a way to belittle people's own personal problems. I am assuming the posters here are are not all actually poor rural white men. holy poo poo
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silence_kit posted:I think the mod challenge shows that I was right. A few responses in this thread, before you prematurely unveiled what was behind the curtain, showed that many people, not just poor rural white men, interpret 'check your privilege' as a way to belittle people's own personal problems. I am assuming the posters here are are not all actually poor rural white men. I think the fact the your instinctual reaction to people going "  " to you rolling in and telling them they should just be happy to live in this country and to "suck it up" says way more about you than them.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:holy poo poo "See, you said if I posted ignorantly people would tell me I'm ignorant, and I did and they DID!" 
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silence_kit posted:I think the mod challenge shows that I was right. A few responses in this thread, before you prematurely unveiled what was behind the curtain, showed that many people, not just poor rural white men, interpret 'check your privilege' as a way to belittle people's own personal problems. I am assuming the posters here are are not all actually poor rural white men. I didn't even see Koala's post. Also the difference is I and most of the people I talk to don't have influence in SE Asia, or Africa. We do have influence in america though. We vote for our representatives. And when poor rural, or any voters for that matter vote for politicians who are perpetuating things that actively damage equality and fairness in the society that I currently live in I'm going to be more vocal about it. Like I'm donating and calling representatives about saving the ACA when that thing has literally no effect on me other than like a 20 dollar a month premium increase. I'm not going to actively campaign against initiatives in foreign countries that seek a better economic, legal, or whatever equality and fairness for it's citizens. But that is so far outside of my current sphere of influence, that it doesn't come up regularly.
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silence_kit posted:I think that everybody in this thread could benefit from a little perspective and take a moment to reflect upon themselves and realize just how much privilege everyone here really has. Regardless of all the terrible things implied in this post. That person B has it worse. Is never an excuse to not try to make an improvement for person A. It is at worse a tactic to try and avoid helping anyone. See the homeless veterans who are brought out for every single election as an excuse to not help refuges or immigrants. Well we didn't help the refuges and we didn't help the immigrants. But then we didn't help the homeless veterans either. Which is how they can be brought back for the next election. So if you feel strongly about the starving people of Africa then engage yourself in helping them. Do not use them as a club to try and prevent people from helping those who have it bad in America.
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Making America less lovely would make it less of a ravenous imperialistic beast loving up everybody else's country too.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:"See, you said if I posted ignorantly people would tell me I'm ignorant, and I did and they DID!" What I was hoping for: He'd genuinely ask a question about black poverty in other countries since that's a subject we've tackled before, maybe learn something from the responses he's given What I expected: He'd shitpost and run after some people called him an idiot and a few answered, still missing the point completely What I got A an expertly crafted shitpost precisely engineered to dogwhistle and be as condescending as possible and whiney sass post claiming the thinnest of victories despite missing the point completely
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It's almost as if white people don't know what privilege is and often use the term incorrectly
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Koalas March posted:What I was hoping for: Hi um excuse me you probated me recently, this is mod abuse, fight the power, fist emoji. flashman posted:It's almost as if using check your privilege as a form to silence complaints of those who are not at the bottom of the social pecking order is something that belittles the complainant and offers no benefit to the discussion. Yeah this all started because silence_kit, like you, looooooves to put words in the mouths of "sjws." Nobody says loving "check your privilege" to people here. The most I have seen is someone talking about checking their OWN privilege. This steaming pile of racism and condescension from SK is literally the first post of his I've seen in months that wasn't some variation on "yeah well if the people who believe in human decency and treating people with respect were here they'd tell you you're a MONSTER and EAT YOUR SOUL" He's a whiny-rear end bitch and you've decided to be his sidekick. We can call you whiny-rear end bitch 2. Tiny Brontosaurus fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Jan 18, 2017 |
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silence_kit posted:I think the mod challenge shows that I was right. A few responses in this thread, before you prematurely unveiled what was behind the curtain, showed that many people, not just poor rural white men, interpret 'check your privilege' as a way to belittle people's own personal problems. I am assuming the posters here are are not all actually poor rural white men. Where did you prove anywhere that people in this thread or in the USA's civil right's movement take what they have for granted? Not being content is not the same thing as not being thankful.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:"See, you said if I posted ignorantly people would tell me I'm ignorant, and I did and they DID!" This is better than the time someone posted in the USPOL thread about how rural whites only act like slack jawed imbeciles as an injoke against elitist city folk who are the "real" racist idiots. Also, Neat. https://twitter.com/NerdyWonka/status/821771538215084036
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Koalas March posted:TB I will probate you again for mod sass fite me I did my nickel ain't take me alive copper 
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You know African-American institutions like the Black Episcopal Church provide charity and financial support to poor people across the globe. African-Americans generally donate more time and money to charitable causes than other people. So ignoring the 'other people have it worse' that post doesn't even recognize the ongoing financial support African-Americans provide to people in the US and elsewhere.
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Jan 18, 2017 19:02
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Wow, this popped up on Facebook and I was thinking it should go in the OP cuz how many times does this happen in this thread goddamn. I’m Not Your Racial Confessor The black person’s burden of managing white emotions in the age of Trump. McMillan Cottom posted:I only owe people as much good faith as they extend to me. Part of that good faith is Googling before you waste my time because you value me and my time.
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Oracle posted:Wow, this popped up on Facebook and I was thinking it should go in the OP cuz how many times does this happen in this thread goddamn. This is really good and I am going to add it. edit: added and changed the OP a little. Koalas March fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Jan 18, 2017 |
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:The African Union has been around for a number of years and there's been a Pan-African movement for a long time, but it faces a lot of hurdles and constraints. There's also been incredible progress in general terms of SoL across Africa as well as cooperation fighting groups like Boko Haram, but there's still a lot of war, disease and political corruption. Yup. There's also similar issues to what the EU has faced: -relatively rich, powerful countries like South Africa calling all the shots, but also having to pay more than their fair share of upkeep for the whole edifice. As with Germany in the EU, it's an arrangement that pleases no one, but it's pretty much the only way for the drat thing to work -an uneven normative framework for democratic governance Unlike the EU, though, there are a lot more failed states in Africa than in Europe, and some of those failed states are huuuuuuge. Plus, quelle surprise, the AU doesn't have nearly as much diplomatic heft as it deserves in the UN, WTO, or other international bodies.
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Dejawesp posted:So if you feel strongly about the starving people of Africa then engage yourself in helping them. Do not use them as a club to try and prevent people from helping those who have it bad in America. I've said this a number of times, and so has everyone here, but if you aren't engaged in an issue and want to talk about another one... do so? Like, this is the thread for discussion of black people. The points about African maybe belong in this thread, maybe need a new one depending on the content. The points about Asia belong in a new thread, and no one here is preventing that discussion, it just doesn't really belong here. Almost every poster here I recognize from other threads, and I could swear that either TB or KM (sorry I forget which and haven't read it in a while) was a fairly prolific poster in the Rural Poverty thread at some point, right? People have multiple opinions, and posting that being concerned about (mostly American) Black issues is somehow immoral for Black Americans to do is real hosed up lmfao
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Death Bot posted:People have multiple opinions, and posting that being concerned about (mostly American) Black issues is somehow immoral for Black Americans to do is real hosed up lmfao silence_kit is only doing it to act out a grudge they have about biased moderation ("biased" meaning silence_kit said something stupid and was punished) and they are absolutely not interested in the conversation at hand, it's all meta forums politics and/or an excuse to get mad about internet
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Koalas March posted:This is really good and I am going to add it. This old paper about what White Privilege is might also be a good supplemental piece. http://nationalseedproject.org/white-privilege-unpacking-the-invisible-knapsack EDIT: Changed to a URL that linked to a longer version of the paper instead of the shortened version I found the first time. EDIT #2: Found what looks like the current/most complete version of the paper short of requesting the full copy from the original author. Some Pinko Commie fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Jan 18, 2017 |
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boner confessor posted:silence_kit is only doing it to act out a grudge they have about biased moderation ("biased" meaning silence_kit said something stupid and was punished) and they are absolutely not interested in the conversation at hand, it's all meta forums politics and/or an excuse to get mad about internet I mean I know this. The kind of people who post "why aren't people talking about x" don't actually go talk about x, they're just trying to detract from an active conversation. If this was a directed conversation or lecture of some sort that is a valid criticism to bring up, maybe, but we're on a public forum. Just go post a thread.
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silence_kit posted:I think that everybody in this thread could benefit from a little perspective and take a moment to reflect upon themselves and realize just how much privilege everyone here really has. My family thinks my uncle was murdered by correctional officers in prison dude. Saying that a thing isn't that bad doesn't mean that it is good, especially if it's not as good as you think.
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Death Bot posted:I've said this a number of times, and so has everyone here, but if you aren't engaged in an issue and want to talk about another one... do so? Like, this is the thread for discussion of black people. The points about African maybe belong in this thread, maybe need a new one depending on the content. The points about Asia belong in a new thread, and no one here is preventing that discussion, it just doesn't really belong here. Yeah that was me, that thread has been fascinating at times. It goes to poo poo when someone barges in handwringing about "how do we get Those People to stop voting against their interests?" which sounds reealll familiar. It's much more interesting when actual rural residents talk about their homes and families and what motivates the people they know.
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Buschmaki posted:My family thinks my uncle was murdered by correctional officers in prison dude. Saying that a thing isn't that bad doesn't mean that it is good, especially if it's not as good as you think. There's that, and there's also the fact that I don't hear a bunch (or, indeed, any) black people in the US saying "gently caress starving people and refugees, pay attention to meeeeee and fix all of my problems first," like we currently do with all the people bemoaning the state of poor white men in the States. And, as was mentioned, those white people who are currently complaining about their lot have a gently caress sight more political influence on the government of the United States than any American does on what goes on in developing countries. And, as was also pointed out, even people in developing countries with a worse standard of living than the average black American enjoy certain benefits that black Americans do not -- such as not being disproportionately targeted by the police because of one's race. It's really an entirely different situation in almost every way.
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Dejawesp posted:See the homeless veterans who are brought out for every single election as an excuse to not help refuges or immigrants. Well we didn't help the refuges and we didn't help the immigrants. But then we didn't help the homeless veterans either. Which is how they can be brought back for the next election. loving chriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiist, I love this post.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Isn't Africa also looking at doing a European Union sort of thing? Last I heard Africa is continually becoming less and less of a war torn hell hole because, surprise surprise, war sucks and people prefer to get along. Colonel Ghaddafi suggested it and then America had him killed and decided it was better to bomb African countries than have an African Union with an integrated system like the EU.
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JFairfax posted:Colonel Ghaddafi suggested it and then America had him killed and decided it was better to bomb African countries than have an African Union with an integrated system like the EU. Plucky little Qaddafi
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I think the more proximate cause was turning anti aircraft guns on protesters.
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Hey! How about we talk about black people in the black people thread instead of descending into what I'm sure would be a fresh and wholly informative debate on American military strategy?
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Hey! How about we talk about black people in the black people thread instead of descending into what I'm sure would be a fresh and wholly informative debate on American military strategy? I am sure what the American military strat is also somehow our fault too
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