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Vhak lord of hate posted:rofl at a socialist org that is so loving bad at labor and unions, every other NPC person can counter Danny's pro-cop garbage but who's the other heavy labor hitter on there? has anyone else on that even been in a union? why bother checking? just type the post
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Aug 9, 2017 19:59
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Vhak lord of hate posted:there has been infinitely more DSA outrage about danny than there has been that a seattle berry farm worked a migrant worker to death then fired 70 people who got upset about it. working class solidarity my rear end that's because the DSA is largely supportive of working migrant workers to death, you're right
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Aug 9, 2017 20:00
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Karl Barks posted:that's because the DSA is largely supportive of working migrant workers to death, you're right resounding silence from everyone except the official seattle dsa twitter account leaves me to believe they don't give a poo poo about it?
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Aug 9, 2017 20:03
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Vhak lord of hate posted:there has been infinitely more DSA outrage about danny than there has been that a seattle berry farm worked a migrant worker to death then fired 70 people who got upset about it. working class solidarity my rear end the DSA is organizing around this though? this post is dumb as hell.
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Aug 9, 2017 20:03
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Raskolnikov38 posted:think of it as abolishing the police as they currently exist [me from 3 weeks ago] There's no room for nuance in "Abolish the Police"
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Aug 9, 2017 20:04
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Vhak lord of hate posted:resounding silence from everyone except the official seattle dsa twitter account leaves me to believe they don't give a poo poo about it? this might shock you but I can be angry about two things at once if you actually want to do poo poo instead of post weird gatchas here's the deets: https://twitter.com/SeattleDSA/status/895149139612246016
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Aug 9, 2017 20:06
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Vhak lord of hate posted:resounding silence from everyone except the official seattle dsa twitter account leaves me to believe they don't give a poo poo about it? If we're going by that metric nobody gives a poo poo about Danny either besides some Very Online people (why are we still arguing about Danny when we don't have any new info btw)
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Aug 9, 2017 20:07
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Business Gorillas posted:If we're going by that metric nobody gives a poo poo about Danny either besides some Very Online people (why are we still arguing about Danny when we don't have any new info btw) love 2 post
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Aug 9, 2017 20:07
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is this the new suck zone thread cause it sounds like it
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Aug 9, 2017 20:07
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At an early meeting with my local DSA chapter, they were trying to find a meeting space. I asked if anyone was a member of a Union, maybe we could use their space. One of these days I need to track down every Union in my city and say hello, at least so I know who they all are.
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Aug 9, 2017 20:09
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also criticizing people that are mostly millennials for not being in unions is pretty lol
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Aug 9, 2017 20:10
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bump_fn posted:is this the new suck zone thread cause it sounds like it it will be after the great ACAB schism in a few weeks
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Aug 9, 2017 20:10
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:At an early meeting with my local DSA chapter, they were trying to find a meeting space. Lots of unions are skittish about anything with the word "socialist" in the title. You might do better with UCC and Unitarian churches.
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Aug 9, 2017 20:11
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big black turnout posted:also criticizing people that are mostly millennials for not being in unions is pretty lol True, but that probably means we should be actively building relationships with Unions instead of expecting them to come to us.
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Aug 9, 2017 20:12
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bump_fn posted:is this the new suck zone thread cause it sounds like it Yeah were practicing entryism. Once we radicalize the suck zone we're going straight to d&d
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Aug 9, 2017 20:13
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:At an early meeting with my local DSA chapter, they were trying to find a meeting space. Check if your unions are doing something for labor day imo. In my area a bunch of them get together and throw a big bbq every year an actual dog posted:Lots of unions are skittish about anything with the word "socialist" in the title. You might do better with UCC and Unitarian churches. We organized nationwide with the CWA for the AT&T strike a couple months ago but yeah you gotta be careful. The AFLCIO still has a no reds clause on the books from the 50s for example
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Aug 9, 2017 20:14
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Vhak lord of hate posted:resounding silence from everyone except the official seattle dsa twitter account leaves me to believe they don't give a poo poo about it? so the one part of the organization it is most relevant to is responding to it and organizing around it, alright
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Aug 9, 2017 20:14
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:True, but that probably means we should be actively building relationships with Unions instead of expecting them to come to us. 110% agree i just thought it was funny
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Aug 9, 2017 20:17
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Aug 9, 2017 20:18
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Karl Barks posted:so the one part of the organization it is most relevant to is responding to it and organizing around it, alright please see the edit to my very hot takes
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Aug 9, 2017 20:19
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Vhak lord of hate posted:please see the edit to my very hot takes lol thank you
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Aug 9, 2017 20:25
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good places to look for meeting spaces (ranked in order of preference) 1. libraries 2. union halls 3. college campuses (inc. community colleges) 4. other organization meeting locations (NAACP, kiwanis club, etc. they probably don't have buildings but you can probably find what places are hospitable to hosting by finding out where they meet.) 5. concert venues sometimes have real cheap prices during off-hours. maybe y'all can meet at your local place's dark day. 6. churches try not to: - meet in a member's house or apt. especially if you don't know how goony their cleaning habits are. This also easily lends itself towards insularity once you establish a steering cmte. stay away from house meetings. (unless you're organizing a caucus or doing small group work w/ ppl you trust. it's bad for gen. meetings though.) - vary the meeting location or time. this will be hard when you start but it's a lot easier if people know that your chapter meets on the last wednesday of the month at the UCC church rather than fluctuating like a quantum ghost across time and space. try to: -have hot bevs and snacks. if you can't afford this as a chapter yet, make getting these things at your meetings one of your first priorities. -have childcare available. there's one gazillion parents with diabetic or asthmatic etc. kids biting their nails about healthcare and they're a huge audience but they can't come unless you have someone whose job it is to make sure children don't impale themselves. If you don't know how/where to get childcare set up in your state, ask a church or person involved in education.  AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK ON WHOEVER VOLUNTEERS TO DO CHILDCARE UNLESS THEY ARE CURRENTLY EMPLOYED DOING THIS!!!- keep the meeting NO LONGER THAN TWO HOURS. if for whatever reason your meeting must go over 2 hours, schedule a a half-hour break and be drat sure you have snacks. Impermanent has issued a correction as of 20:29 on Aug 9, 2017 |
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Aug 9, 2017 20:26
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Impermanent posted:good poo poo This is some good poo poo. Do you have any suggestions for OCs that are incapable of meeting in any of the 6 types locations you mentioned? Wilco is a lovely place with no union buildings and conservative churches, and our public libraries are $50/hr for a room. Right now we just invade some random establishment and hope they don't kick us out, and our last meeting was held at a member's house in Leander because it was the only place we could find.
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Aug 9, 2017 20:35
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Syndlig posted:This is some good poo poo. Do you have any suggestions for OCs that are incapable of meeting in any of the 6 types locations you mentioned? Wilco is a lovely place with no union buildings and conservative churches, and our public libraries are $50/hr for a room. Right now we just invade some random establishment and hope they don't kick us out, and our last meeting was held at a member's house in Leander because it was the only place we could find. Can you book the library for $100 and just be upfront with everyone attending that it costs money and they should put a couple bucks in the shoebox by the door? That's what we do, due to similar restrictions (and our spaces cost usually two or three times that).
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Aug 9, 2017 20:39
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MrWilderheap posted:Yeah I have a hard time believing he was being intentionally deceptive. It's really unfortunate how online rumors can snowball like this. This was the campaign pamphlet Fetonte was passing around during the convention. For many delegates outside the Austin chapter, this was the first (and perhaps only) information we had about him. He's very specific about organizing "furniture workers" and "landline telephone workers" and so on but he vaguely describes his work with sheriffs and prison guards as organizing "state workers". It really does seem like an intentional deception—or at the very least a lapse of judgment unbefitting an NPC leader—which is what I'm actually upset about. Regardless of your position on the ACAB question we all know it's an important matter worth debating openly and transparently and before the election, not after.  
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Aug 9, 2017 20:53
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Guess which person here is the cop
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Aug 9, 2017 20:56
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I think the absolute worst take of the weekend was someone complaining about Danny going around whipping votes that I heard from someone in a bar on sunday night. Like I get that you're like 19 years old and don't have a lot of experience but if you've got a problem with whipping votes what the gently caress are you doing in a organization about Unions.
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Aug 9, 2017 20:57
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Jewish Caucus checking in. This statement owns. https://twitter.com/solid_jews/status/895361205946155008
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Aug 9, 2017 21:08
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Guess which person here is the cop According to RCP (probably) we're all cops
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Aug 9, 2017 21:09
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Syndlig posted:This is some good poo poo. Do you have any suggestions for OCs that are incapable of meeting in any of the 6 types locations you mentioned? Wilco is a lovely place with no union buildings and conservative churches, and our public libraries are $50/hr for a room. Right now we just invade some random establishment and hope they don't kick us out, and our last meeting was held at a member's house in Leander because it was the only place we could find. yes this is where a local dues campaign becomes important. but you can only really get that kind of buy-in once you're already doing something for your members. A 'pass the hat' approach is a half-measure, but a useful one. How many people do you have at the meetings? If there's at least 10 I'd say it's feasible to ask for donations. If not, you're within a size where few businesses will actually kick you out for each ordering a single cup of coffee in a denny's or whatever. It's not the best solution but it'll do. The other option is to to book 1-hour meetings and do prep-calls ahead of each one. Call all the people you've invited and make sure they know about what's going to be discussed at the meeting, have read whatever they're supposed to read, etc. You should be doing this anyway as the chapter grows so find the most reliable 20% of your OC and get them to do this with you. Call the weekend before the meeting, and then 24-48 hours before the meeting. Obviously, you'll need phone numbers for this, so take down phone numbers at all meetings. If you have a laptop you can set up a google sheet as a sign-in thing for people at the meeting and require a phone number. some people will refuse, but emphasize the importance if you can. Read a book on the nuts & bolts of labor organizing and it will help a lot. I like Secrets of a Successful Organizer (http://www.labornotes.org/secrets).
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Aug 9, 2017 21:09
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twitter handle "solid_jews" is p fuckin awesome imho
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Aug 9, 2017 21:10
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Bushiz posted:I think the absolute worst take of the weekend was someone complaining about Danny going around whipping votes that I heard from someone in a bar on sunday night. Like I get that you're like 19 years old and don't have a lot of experience but if you've got a problem with whipping votes what the gently caress are you doing in a organization about Unions. i have heard so much wimpy protesting of really incredibly basic political maneuvers such as "trying to get people to change their minds", "having a phonecall with someone you disagree with", "putting a group of likeminded people together on a slate to ensure you have the power to execute your plans once elected" that i want to scream into my hands until they melt.
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Aug 9, 2017 21:12
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Strangelet Wave posted:This was the campaign pamphlet Fetonte was passing around during the convention. For many delegates outside the Austin chapter, this was the first (and perhaps only) information we had about him. He's very specific about organizing "furniture workers" and "landline telephone workers" and so on but he vaguely describes his work with sheriffs and prison guards as organizing "state workers". It really does seem like an intentional deception—or at the very least a lapse of judgment unbefitting an NPC leader—which is what I'm actually upset about. maybe his views aren't what people would associate with 'the cop candidate', maybe he doesn't consider himself 'the cop candidate' - so maybe that's why he isn't advertising him as such and purposefully avoids the negative connotations because they genuinely don't apply to him all these possibilities.
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Aug 9, 2017 21:12
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tiny brain: he's a cop! large brain: he was an organizer assigned as the connection between CWA & a police local among his other duties galactic brain: he was a member of first world organized labor and therefore an imperialist collaborator that must be purged cosmic brain: purge everyone that voted for a motion that lost
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Aug 9, 2017 21:13
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I'm actually a cop and ur all busted for the crime of bad posting
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Aug 9, 2017 21:13
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bump_fn posted:I'm actually a cop and ur all busted for the crime of bad posting
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Aug 9, 2017 21:19
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an actual dog posted:Jewish Caucus checking in. This statement owns.  great language here, I've got a bunch of liberal friends farting about Progressive Antisemitism in the last couple weeks and this has some really excellent points
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Aug 9, 2017 21:20
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what is this? a brochure for ants?
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Aug 9, 2017 21:24
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Raskolnikov38 posted:what is this? a brochure for ants? ~whoopsies~ http://imgur.com/bpXv8xq
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