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Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

baka kaba posted:

The right-wing press (and the Mirror) have doxxed that guy who stopped the malware attacks by registering the domain name, and who wanted to remain anonymous for obvious reasons

e- also ITV has some Corbyn profile/interview going on

Sometimes it slips my mind that all journos are scum so it's helpful for them to occasionally remind me

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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
You're not pro brexit? Are you sure? The rich are going to get richer from it, as they deserve. It's only going to hurt the vindictive classes.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
Weren't the rich against brexit?

Evil_Urna
Aug 16, 2004

Regarde Aduck posted:

You're not pro brexit? Are you sure? The rich are going to get richer from it, as they deserve. It's only going to hurt the vindictive classes.

Of course I am not. Brexit hurts England. Now I do feel that Europe would be better off under British rule then German or Russian. But that's another conversation all together.

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

Anyone who thinks Labour moving to the right would be a good thing needs to watch the interview with Damien Green on Newsnight tonight.

'Labour are offering a £10 an hour minimum wage, you can't even say it will reach £9 an hour. How can you call yourselves the party of workers?'

'Labour would enforce a 20:1 pay ratio, showing workers their bosses will not continue to get inordinate pay rises. Why won't you do that?'

'Labour want to intervene in rail networks, royal mail and other markets. Why are those bad ideas but your proposed intervention in the energy market is a good idea?'


You want the Tories defending themselves against popular left-wing policies. Try and challenge them on stuff like immigration or being tough on skivers and they'll just laugh and shift even further to the right, just like they did in 2015.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


The true party of the worker generously allows them to take a year off to become a carer.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

jabby posted:

Anyone who thinks Labour moving to the right would be a good thing needs to watch the interview with Damien Green on Newsnight tonight.

'Labour are offering a £10 an hour minimum wage, you can't even say it will reach £9 an hour. How can you call yourselves the party of workers?'

'Labour would enforce a 20:1 pay ratio, showing workers their bosses will not continue to get inordinate pay rises. Why won't you do that?'

'Labour want to intervene in rail networks, royal mail and other markets. Why are those bad ideas but your proposed intervention in the energy market is a good idea?'


You want the Tories defending themselves against popular left-wing policies. Try and challenge them on stuff like immigration or being tough on skivers and they'll just laugh and shift even further to the right, just like they did in 2015.

Maybe, maybe not, lets give it three weeks and see how it really goes.

If corbysista labour doesnt do better than miliband labour, and does worse than blairite labour did, then we know that a move left has not been helpful and depending on the magnitude of the difference, may indeed have been harmful.

Corbyn is the dream leftist and he has a known communist running his campaign. This is going to be a compelling experiment and provide strong evidence one way or another regarding the many hypotheses about labour, leftism, and centrism which we have heard since the time of Blair.

Evil_Urna
Aug 16, 2004

hakimashou posted:



If corbysista labour doesnt do better than miliband labour, and does worse than blairite labour did, then we know that a move left has not been helpful and depending on the magnitude of the difference, may indeed have been harmful.



There is no way he could do as well as Blair did. Three terms as PM, led Britain to glory in two battlefronts, and took care of the homefront. Tony Blair was objectively the greatest man to ever run on a Labor ticket. If he had been in charge of the party he would have stood up and forced parliament to at least amend the Brexit bill in parliament. He would have never rolled over like Corbyn did. Blair is a man of honor and he loves his county.

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Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


I don't care if it's a gimmick or not, tankie mod best mod

This thread was unreadable

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Private Speech posted:

I don't care if it's a gimmick or not, tankie mod best mod

This thread was unreadable

If you were trying to rehabilitate Stalinism as a desirable ideology you could do a lot worse, imo.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

that guys banned if he posts here again and im genuinely a marxist-leninist. cheers

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-
Thank you.

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot
Based mods

Thanks for getting those dirty alternative opinions away from me!

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Ah yes a 2003 contrarian white noise.
Good vintage opinion.

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot
kek

Only registered members can see post attachments!

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

I wanna import that fantasy to Canada.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

is this real

because those are good things

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Labour also promising to nationalise water companies too.

This can only be a good thing - I work for a private equity-owned water company and know what a loving joke the current setup is (monopolised, captive customer base, company loaded up with debt which is then extracted through dividend payouts, money shuffled through multiple layers of shell companies, profit goes to the private equity owners, risk lands straight on the tax payer). The sooner it's nationalised, the better imo.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

Based mods

Thanks for getting those dirty alternative opinions away from me!

I'm not sure he was being sincere

Bacon Terrorist
May 7, 2010

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022
Why do people keep making out Brexit is a right wing thing when a lot of the hard left also voted out?

Kegluneq
Feb 18, 2011

Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

Bacon Terrorist posted:

Why do people keep making out Brexit is a right wing thing when a lot of the hard left also voted out?



There are a lot more hard right than hard left :smith:

Fans
Jun 27, 2013

A reptile dysfunction

Bacon Terrorist posted:

Why do people keep making out Brexit is a right wing thing when a lot of the hard left also voted out?

Because the Hard Left is about ten guys, while the Hard Right is 10%-13% of the National Vote.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
I'm hard left and i didn't vote out, nor did any of the other communists or socialists i know.

Brexit wasn't a hardleft thing, it was a loving stupid thing because the choice was between european neoliberalism or full unrestrained tory poorfucking and xenophobia. Lesser of two evils, innit.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

I tend to think factors like age, education, immigration status and proximity to plain white on the dulux colour chart had a much larger role to play in Brexit than whether someone politically identified as right or left wing.

edit: also, I suppose, rural vs. urban but that kind of maps onto age, education and whiteness anyway

dispatch_async
Nov 28, 2014

Imagine having the time to have played through 20 generations of one family in The Sims 2. Imagine making the original two members of that family Neil Buchanan and Cat Deeley. Imagine complaining to Maxis there was no technological progression. You've successfully imagined my life

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he



I assume the all voters share is adjusted for turnout across the age groups?

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

baka kaba posted:

I bet Hitler thought he was a centrist

sad that wwii isn't a required part of secondary school history classes anymore

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Ian Brady is dead. As a notorious murderer of children, that's one less Tory vote.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Edit: quote is not edit.

Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 10:06 on May 16, 2017

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Finally his title can be handed over to Tony Blair.

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad


Those are votes for Labour he's stopping.

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

:swoon: I can't get enough of are Dan :swoon:
That's three and counting.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Ballot time

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Noted war criminal Tony Blair may yet have his day in court

quote:

A high court judge is to consider whether a legal ban on prosecuting Tony Blair over the Iraq war can be challenged.

A private criminal prosecution against the former Labour prime minister was blocked in 2016 when it was ruled Blair would have immunity from any criminal charges.

On Tuesday the high court will consider arguments for reversing that ban and for keeping it.

...

The private prosecution seeks the trial in a British court of Blair, the foreign secretary in 2003, Jack Straw, and Lord Goldsmith, the attorney general at the time the government was deciding to join the invasion of Iraq.

It seeks their conviction for the crime of aggression and is based on the damning findings of last year’s Chilcot report into the British decision to join the invasion of Iraq, under the false pretext that Saddam Hussein’s regime had weapons of mass destruction.

The attorney general claims the case for the crime of aggression does not exist in English law, even though it does exist in international law. But that argument appears to be undermined in a document written by Goldsmith himself.

In his 2003 memo on the legality of the Iraq war, Goldsmith, then attorney general, seemed to accept a key point of those now seeking his prosecution. “Aggression is a crime under customary international law which automatically forms part of domestic law,” he wrote.

ukle
Nov 28, 2005

Kegluneq posted:



There are a lot more hard right than hard left :smith:

Or alternatively the monikers hard left and hard right mean sod all without describing what they are hard left / right of.

Many people are 'hard' right on immigration, while also being 'hard' left on economics. This has been shown constantly on the opinion polls.

Its as I have said a few times, Labour would win with a landslide with a manifesto based around nationalisation, house building and limiting immigration in a region until average house prices are affordable. But we can't talk about immigration as that's 'racist' despite the fact this country has significant issues due to far too little money has been spent on infrastructure, and until that infrastructure has caught up its silly to add further people to it and making the problems even worse.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014


What's worse? Blair never being tried for his crimes, or being tried and exonerated?

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Jedit posted:

What's worse? Blair never being tried for his crimes, or being tried and exonerated?
Being tried and exonerated is a single level of 'no repercussions for the rich', not even facing trial is a level above that. Make the bastard sit in court and have his platitudes heard by a judge.

ukle posted:

But we can't talk about immigration as that's 'racist' despite the fact this country has significant issues due to far too little money has been spent on infrastructure, and until that infrastructure has caught up its silly to add further people to it and making the problems even worse.
If you admit that infrastructure is the problem then it's a non sequitur to make the solution about immigration. Tackle the actual problem, fund the infrastructure, and immigration doesn't need to enter the equation.

TACD fucked around with this message at 10:38 on May 16, 2017

Benjamin Arthur
Nov 7, 2012

Evil_Urna posted:

Honestly, the only way Labour's going to redeem themselves in the eyes of the British electorate after they get thrashed in June is to purge the extremists, head back to the center, and build a working collation government with the ruling Tory party.

Yes because a coalition with the Tories did wonders for Lib Dem popularity, you fuckwit nazi.

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

ukle posted:

Or alternatively the monikers hard left and hard right mean sod all without describing what they are hard left / right of.

Many people are 'hard' right on immigration, while also being 'hard' left on economics. This has been shown constantly on the opinion polls.

Its as I have said a few times, Labour would win with a landslide with a manifesto based around nationalisation, house building and limiting immigration in a region until average house prices are affordable. But we can't talk about immigration as that's 'racist' despite the fact this country has significant issues due to far too little money has been spent on infrastructure, and until that infrastructure has caught up its silly to add further people to it and making the problems even worse.

Hmm yes, its definitely the hard right and hard left which are poorly defined terms, unlike the solid ideological bedrock of liberal centrism.

Also Labour would in no way win a landslide on an ethnic nationalist platform since

1. Loads of people would leave and not vote for an openly racist labour (like me)
2. If immigration is your deciding factor people are going to trust the Tories/UKIP on it more than Labour

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HJB
Feb 16, 2011

:swoon: I can't get enough of are Dan :swoon:

ukle posted:

But we can't talk about immigration as that's 'racist'


MikeCrotch posted:

1. Loads of people would leave and not vote for an openly racist labour (like me)

It's difficult isn't it ukle?

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