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Dr. Despair
Nov 4, 2009


39 perfect posts with each roll.

this reminds me that there's most of a titan-1 on display near me now (getting the nosecone this month I think?)

http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/communities/ellsworth/a-titan-laid-to-rest/article_a88bafba-5a88-5a38-9556-e88782578c57.html

Been sitting on the base since 1984 apparently, gonna have to check it out later when it's finished.

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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Mortabis posted:

Phanatic's right; you glide at the same ratio no matter what the weight is. Glide ratio is the cotangent of your angle of descent. If you're trying to get as far as possible the angle you're gliding at is the same regardless.

Yeah, glide ratio (rise:run) is numerically equivalent to lift:drag.

Weight isn’t a factor in lift or drag, so weight has no effect on glide ratio.

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

Deptfordx posted:

I guess what they really wanted was a modern multi-role fighter, but jet technology/design still wasn't mature enough to make superversatile aircraft viable.

No, I'm wrong there.

On closer inspection the afore-mentioned Mirage IIIE was specifically designed as a Multi-role/Strike aircraft and was a solid aircraft.

I wonder why it wasn't considered. Politics? Feeling an obligation to buy from their American patrons, or lingering Franco-German animosity perhaps.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

Hatters gonna hat.

Platystemon posted:

Yeah, glide ratio (rise:run) is numerically equivalent to lift:drag.

Weight isn’t a factor in lift or drag, so weight has no effect on glide ratio.

To clarify, this applies only to maximum glide ratio. Weight is absolutely a factor in net lift (more downward force from gravity to cancel out the upward force from lift. That's why maximum takeoff weight is a thing) so if you increase weight you need to travel faster to generate more lift to get back to the same net lift as a lighter plane and restore your glide ratio. The link posted earlier about adding ballast to a glider is specific about the purpose being to raise the speed at which maximum glide ratio occurs.

People keep arguing past each other because glide ratio and maximum glide ratio are being used interchangeably.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

C.M. Kruger posted:

And the Gripen will be competing against the F-16 to replace the MiG-21 in Indian service.
http://www.financialexpress.com/industry/saab-gripen-e-adani-fighter-jet-lockheed-martin-f-16-make-in-india/838091/

Who do I have to bribe to get a written off Mig-21?

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

JcDent posted:

Who do I have to bribe to get a written off Mig-21?

Depends on how it was written off.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Getting a Mig 21 in North America or Europe is pretty easy.


http://www.raptoraviation.com/aircraft%20spec%20pages/MiG21UM%20R13.html


I don't know how current that ad is, but there's plenty to go around. Ebay Motors has sold them every year. They go from 20,000$ to 100,000$ usually, depending on the engine condition. Main issue is the life of the engine at 1500 hours, so if you are on the market, be cautious of the engine nearing its life.


Last year San Diego Air & Space Museum sold a Mig21, two spare engines, engine lift, lots of tires, all kinds of extras, and included in the deal work contract for a Belarussian man who they had gotten into America who used to be an enlisted Mig-mechanic in the soviet air forces. I think the price was reasonable plus annual salary of mechanic at 70 or so thousand, with benefits. It's a good deal when buying a Soviet Fighter, you get a Soviet.

Last thing from FAA I found is that there's 44 flying Mig21s in the US alone. The operating cost is about 4500 bucks an hour.
Many of the flying soviet fighters in the US, not just 21s, can be, and are, contracted to the USAF to fly aggressor.

Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Sep 5, 2017

my kinda ape
Sep 15, 2008

Everything's gonna be A-OK
Oven Wrangler
IIRC it's fairly difficult to get licensed to fly one. You need a whole bunch of hours in an L-39 basically I think.

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Yeah, the Licence of Authorization apparently includes hours in L-29, L-39, then the Mig, and it goes on better side of 30 grand.

If you get one and become proficient in them, you can go work for Draken International.
http://www.drakenintl.com/


Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Sep 5, 2017

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Vahakyla posted:

Last year San Diego Air & Space Museum sold a Mig21, two spare engines, engine lift, lots of tires, all kinds of extras, and included in the deal work contract for a Belarussian man who they had gotten into America who used to be an enlisted Mig-mechanic in the soviet air forces. I think the price was reasonable plus annual salary of mechanic at 70 or so thousand, with benefits. It's a good deal when buying a Soviet Fighter, you get a Soviet.

That all sounds reasonable but I would be worried about the hidden costs.

Like, does the included Soviet maintenance person distill his own vodka or is that cost expected to be born under the 'hydraulic fluid' budget (obviously only for fluids consumed during working hours)?

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

https://twitter.com/i/moments/905487561182908416

holy poo poo

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.


:stare:

edit: the part where they climbed out between the outer bands and the core :gonk:

Back Hack
Jan 17, 2010



:stare:

That is loving reckless.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
One man's reckless is another man's "HOLY poo poo, I HOPE MY FLIGHT DOESN'T GET CANCELLED gently caress gently caress gently caress" as a hurricane approaches

Mazz
Dec 12, 2012

Orion, this is Sperglord Actual.
Come on home.
It's a voluntary flight, all Delta has to do is have people sign waivers in the terminal saying you get on at your own risk. If they are willing to risk their equipment that's on them, the lives of the passengers was entirely on those passengers. It's not like didn't know a loving hurricane was arriving.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
The reckless part is anyone who was trying to fly into PR.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Mazz posted:

It's a voluntary flight, all Delta has to do is have people sign waivers in the terminal saying you get on at your own risk. If they are willing to risk their equipment that's on them, the lives of the passengers was entirely on those passengers. It's not like didn't know a loving hurricane was arriving.

I seriously doubt the OK for a flight to happen is as simple as "yo, your neck, wanna roll the dice?"

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn0WdJx-Wkw

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


mlmp08 posted:

One man's reckless is another man's "HOLY poo poo, I HOPE MY FLIGHT DOESN'T GET CANCELLED gently caress gently caress gently caress" as a hurricane approaches

Yeah, airport closes earlier than your flight or mechanical problems ground your flight and you are hosed. I've been a little, "Why are people booking Sunday / Monday flights..." for a few pages now.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

The crazy winds are all near the eye wall, the winds at that airport weren't anything special at the time. The only time I've gotten air sick was landing at NRT on a day with 40mph winds and gusts up to 80.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
pew pew



Faster Blaster
Feb 6, 2010

The Scorpion really looks like a baby Tomcat, especially with the water background. I dig it.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
I thought the exact same thing. Sure, structurally there are glaring differences, but there's just enough there to be reminiscent.

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

Cyrano4747 posted:

I seriously doubt the OK for a flight to happen is as simple as "yo, your neck, wanna roll the dice?"

Basically what's on ski tickets

Back Hack
Jan 17, 2010


How capable is the Scorpion? Relative to other planes, it's extremely small, there has to be a lot of short comings of some kind, right?

VVVV I don't, I guess larger multi-role fighters are like the Super Hornet or other crafts that share a similar role to the Scorpion like the Tucanos.

Back Hack fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Sep 6, 2017

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Back Hack posted:

How capable is the Scorpion? Relative to other planes, it's extremely small, there has to be a lot of short comings of some kind, right?

What planes are you trying to compare it to?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Back Hack posted:

How capable is the Scorpion? Relative to other planes, it's extremely small, there has to be a lot of short comings of some kind, right?

Assuming Wikipedia is right....

quote:

Empty weight: 12,700 lb (5,761 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 22,000 lb (9,979 kg)
Fuel capacity: 6,000 lb (2 ,722 kg)

Performance

Maximum speed: 450 kn (518 mph; 833 km/h)
Stall speed: 95 kn (109 mph; 176 km/h) (max)[50]
Ferry range: 2,200 nmi (2,532 mi; 4,074 km) with auxiliary fuel
Service ceiling: 45,000 ft (14,000 m)
Armament

Hardpoints: 6[51] with a capacity of 6,200 lb (2,800 kg),[30] and an internal bay with a 3,000 lb (1,400 kg)[28] of armaments and other stores,

Fuel or weapons - pick one!

There is a ferry range listed but not a combat radius. :thunk:

As a light trainer it should be fantastic.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
One of the "selling points" of the Scorpion was that it could do low-speed intercepts. Complete with lovely defense industry music. (who makes thise music? I'm legit curious who's making these 80s/early 90s songs that sound like they're backing music for Knightrider or a Jane's Combat Simulation briefing screen)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMfYIjsGEmQ

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

Come, all you fair and tender maids
Who flourish in your pri-ime
Beware, take care, keep your garden fair
Let Gnoman steal your thy-y-me
Le-et Gnoman steal your thyme




hobbesmaster posted:

Assuming Wikipedia is right....


Fuel or weapons - pick one!

There is a ferry range listed but not a combat radius. :thunk:

As a light trainer it should be fantastic.

The ferry range is pretty similar to that of the Super Tucano, although the Scorpion is slightly slower. If the manufacturer data is accurate, it should be just a Super Tucano with a much heavier bombload. That, however, may be a big if.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
:confused:

The Super Tucano is far slower than a Scorpion.

Faster Blaster
Feb 6, 2010


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc8tu0ZPfEA

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

man, "simpsons did it" really is a thing

Gnoman
Feb 12, 2014

Come, all you fair and tender maids
Who flourish in your pri-ime
Beware, take care, keep your garden fair
Let Gnoman steal your thy-y-me
Le-et Gnoman steal your thyme




mlmp08 posted:

:confused:

The Super Tucano is far slower than a Scorpion.
My mistake. The Scorpion speed is listed in knots on Wikipedia, I misread kn as km.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!

It's so cute!

Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004

mlmp08 posted:

(who makes thise music? I'm legit curious who's making these 80s/early 90s songs that sound like they're backing music for Knightrider or a Jane's Combat Simulation briefing screen)

Any number of stock music sites will sell you generic music of whatever style you want.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

Replacements for the Bronco (didn't they just reactivate those?)?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Craptacular posted:

Any number of stock music sites will sell you generic music of whatever style you want.

Yup!

One time charges, no ongoing royalties. Great for video games, podcasts, whatever.

Here's one chosen at random in the "games" category. https://www.shutterstock.com/music/track/Exterminate/427292
$49 for unlimited web usage!

hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Sep 7, 2017

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon

hobbesmaster posted:

Yup!

One time charges, no ongoing royalties. Great for video games, podcasts, whatever.

Here's one chosen at random in the "games" category. https://www.shutterstock.com/music/track/Exterminate/427292
$49 for unlimited web usage!

I've got 94 albums of Xray dog archived thanks to a motivated IT specialist who hooked our boat up with something like 8TB of movies, music, TV, and music videos for when we were deployed

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Craptacular posted:

Any number of stock music sites will sell you generic music of whatever style you want.

Sure, but I mean who's the actual artist person just cranking out royalty free music? It's kind of like how I wonder who the gently caress went to art school and then was like "clip art, here I come!"

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babyeatingpsychopath
Oct 28, 2000
Forum Veteran


mlmp08 posted:

Sure, but I mean who's the actual artist person just cranking out royalty free music? It's kind of like how I wonder who the gently caress went to art school and then was like "clip art, here I come!"

Probably a side gig of the people doing backup vocals to radio jingles. Pays the bills. Musical equivalent of paid deviantart fetish anime.

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