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landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

sorry for the novel but I switched back to concerta which worked after being on adderall for like six months which didn't work for me and now

now I'm postin'.

postin' hard.

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Verman
Jul 4, 2005
Third time is a charm right?

Ok Comboomer posted:

Apropos of Gretsch-chat from a few days back- does anybody have a good sense on the differences between the Gretsch Streamliners and their equivalents in the Electromatic series, and the relative value between them?

I’m seeing a lot of comments about build quality and construction differences (mainly putting blocks in Electromatics that are absent in their respective Streamliner siblings, Grover tuners, etc)- and possible differences in sound as a result (Streamliners seem to sound more hollow + resonant, but also possibly feedbacky, vs their pricier brethren), but I’m curious about impressions wrt longevity and durability.

On avg it’s like a $200-400 difference between tiers on various models.

I've been looking at both the streamliner 2622t and the electromatic 5622t. I like the 5422t because it actually has filter trons vs the broad trons of the other two but you're still going to get that gretsch sound out of either of them. That georgia green is beautiful.

It seems like it's mostly finishings. Some have filter trons but mostly they both still share broad trons.

Please buy one so I can live vicariously. I can't buy another guitar for a little while.

brushwad
Dec 25, 2009

Ok Comboomer posted:

Apropos of Gretsch-chat from a few days back- does anybody have a good sense on the differences between the Gretsch Streamliners and their equivalents in the Electromatic series, and the relative value between them?

I’m seeing a lot of comments about build quality and construction differences (mainly putting blocks in Electromatics that are absent in their respective Streamliner siblings, Grover tuners, etc)- and possible differences in sound as a result (Streamliners seem to sound more hollow + resonant, but also possibly feedbacky, vs their pricier brethren), but I’m curious about impressions wrt longevity and durability.

On avg it’s like a $200-400 difference between tiers on various models.

The biggest difference is the Broad'Tron pickups in the Streamliners vs. Filter'Trons in the Electromatics. The Streamliners are going to have different knobs, pickguards, and smaller, unbound f-holes. Also, I think they're produced in different factories -- I want to say Indonesia for the Streamliners and Korea for the Electromatics, but don't quote me on that.

Siivola
Dec 23, 2012

Solid and semihollow Electromatics are made in China, hollow ones in Korea, last I checked.

Edit: Also, hardtail Electromatics have Broadtrons. Only the ones that have Bigsbies have the FTs. Why? No idea. :shrug:

Siivola fucked around with this message at 19:54 on May 3, 2021

Caffeinated Jerkoff
Jul 13, 2014


Ok Comboomer posted:

Apropos of Gretsch-chat from a few days back- does anybody have a good sense on the differences between the Gretsch Streamliners and their equivalents in the Electromatic series, and the relative value between them?

I’m seeing a lot of comments about build quality and construction differences (mainly putting blocks in Electromatics that are absent in their respective Streamliner siblings, Grover tuners, etc)- and possible differences in sound as a result (Streamliners seem to sound more hollow + resonant, but also possibly feedbacky, vs their pricier brethren), but I’m curious about impressions wrt longevity and durability.

On avg it’s like a $200-400 difference between tiers on various models.

I got an Electromatic Jet (G5230T) about a month ago:



I tried out a few hollowbody Streamliners and that Jet in my local guitar shop, and ended up picking up the Jet because I liked the sound of the Filter'Trons in the Jet more than the Broad'Trons in the Streamliners. The Jet also felt more durable/sturdy, but that may just be because it's a solidbody and the Streamliners I tried out were all hollowbodies.

It helped that the back of the Jet is gorgeous (picture from gretsch's website because my phone camera couldn't capture the color):

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

sounds like you're doing pretty well for 3 years -- but now you are at a plateau...

when i was at such plateaus, i overcame them by taking lessons, jamming with a friend, and giving lessons.

other than that, it sounds like you should focus on ear training, since you are struggling to transcribe. https://www.teoria.com/en/exercises/ie.php

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

TheTrend posted:



This here was my anniversary present to myself. Unknown model year American Special HSS strat. Sadly it has the worst fret buzz I have ever seen. Its driving my insane. For the money I paid for it, I'm pretty disappointed. My shop says it's do some uneven frets and it would be about 170 for a fret level and set up, For about $240 I can get it plecked which I'm debating doing. I tried to live with it, I think if I was playing in space as opposed to in the house with headphones I wouldn't mind it so much, but as it stands, it is killing me.

bummer. did you buy this used on reverb?

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer
hey you know Cory Henry's solo on Lingus?? what if someone played that on guitar... :tviv:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JKO2qCTXNA

Drunk Driver Dad
Feb 18, 2005

Flip Yr Wig posted:

Maybe I should add to my previous question: would a splitter or a DI box be more appropriate?

As for turning down the PC speakers, I guess that's an option, but as long as the PC is already setup to output to the amp, I figured I would just take advantage of it.

You can definitely mute the rocksmith sound in game, I don't play through my katana with it, but I do use a plug-in on my PC for my sound instead of rocksmith. You just go into your normal mixer menu thing and turn your guitar volume down. I don't think lag is an issue, but I'm plugged through ASIO and not the tone cable.

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011

Caffeinated Jerkoff posted:

I tried out a few hollowbody Streamliners and that Jet in my local guitar shop, and ended up picking up the Jet because I liked the sound of the Filter'Trons in the Jet more than the Broad'Trons in the Streamliners. The Jet also felt more durable/sturdy, but that may just be because it's a solidbody and the Streamliners I tried out were all hollowbodies.

Seconding that the Electromatic's pickups sounds better. I have a Double Jet and it's exactly the kind of Filtertron brightness you expect. The Broadtrons sound more PAF-y.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!
Worst case scenario on Broad’trons, TV Jones sells drop-in kits for most of their ‘tron pups

There’s also multiple types and generations of Broad’Tron out there now too.

How do people feel about Bigsby B50/70 vs hardtail? Assume Streamliner (I like the colors better :shrug: , also cheaper) body, IDK if tuning issues increase inverse to cost.

More ambient and dream-poppy than rockabilly or country, so vibrato washes are definitely welcome but bends/etc aren’t essential and there’s lots of other ways to do ethereal shimmer with pedals

Idk, generally I’m anti-whammy bar and I historically block my strats but a bigsby just seems part of the whole Gretsch deal

beer gas canister
Oct 30, 2007

shmups are da best come play some shmups they're cheap and good and you like them
Plaster Town Cop
put the filtertron in a telecaster. And a bigsby

Verman
Jul 4, 2005
Third time is a charm right?
Next squier paranormal/classic vibe. Please squier. I know you're listening.

Filter tron and bigsby thinline telecaster. Seafoam, blonde, gold top, orange?

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!
so bigsby...yes? I thought ppl here generally hated old-style vibratos that struggled to stay in tune

beer gas canister
Oct 30, 2007

shmups are da best come play some shmups they're cheap and good and you like them
Plaster Town Cop
i've never used one but they look cool as hell. all of my guitars are hardtail

Verman
Jul 4, 2005
Third time is a charm right?
I like the feel of a bigsby more than a Floyd rose or a standard strat tremolo. In a non functional opinion, they look much cooler.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
Tbh the only trem I like is the jazz master trem. Bigsbys can look cool but tuning stuff, weight, etc all seem unappealing. Those ones you can add to a guitar without having to screw anything in are pretty cool though, also the only trem that looks good on a tele or sg

creamcorn
Oct 26, 2007

automatic gun for fast, continuous firing

Ok Comboomer posted:

so bigsby...yes? I thought ppl here generally hated old-style vibratos that struggled to stay in tune

i absolutely love bigsbys when i use them in stores, have never owned one though so i can't speak to tuning stability. there's something very meaty and satisfying to the mechanism, it feels good in the same way turning a socket wrench does.

landgrabber posted:

war and peace

the big theme i'm getting out of all this is that you're really struggling to develop your own voice on the instrument; despite the amount of vocabulary and technical ability you've learned, you haven't devoted the same amount of time and energy to finding your own sound yet. put acquiring more technical stuff on the backburner, and develop what you have now; learn deeper, not broader.

the strongest way to do this, imo, is via improvisation. pick literally any key and play a ii-V7-I in it (your part about not being able to play in B♭ is weird; guitar fingerings are identical, no matter the amount of flats or sharps). improvise over the changes with single note playing, and put the technical vocab on the backburner while you play. learn how the intervals make you feel, how they fit together in series, how to establish and dissipate tension. if you want to incorporate your technical analysis vocabulary, record yourself and do so after you play; all you should be doing while improvising is audiating and transferring your expression to the instrument. do the same with chords, and internalize extensions you like over certain functions.

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004

creamcorn posted:

the big theme i'm getting out of all this is that you're really struggling to develop your own voice on the instrument; despite the amount of vocabulary and technical ability you've learned, you haven't devoted the same amount of time and energy to finding your own sound yet. put acquiring more technical stuff on the backburner, and develop what you have now; learn deeper, not broader.

the strongest way to do this, imo, is via improvisation. pick literally any key and play a ii-V7-I in it (your part about not being able to play in B♭ is weird; guitar fingerings are identical, no matter the amount of flats or sharps). improvise over the changes with single note playing, and put the technical vocab on the backburner while you play. learn how the intervals make you feel, how they fit together in series, how to establish and dissipate tension. if you want to incorporate your technical analysis vocabulary, record yourself and do so after you play; all you should be doing while improvising is audiating and transferring your expression to the instrument. do the same with chords, and internalize extensions you like over certain functions.

Seconding this. Check out some videos of Vic Wooten talking about his views on improvisation and theory...

Edit: try singing along with your playing (or really, playing along with your singing), focusing more on phrasing/timing than pitch

Sharks Eat Bear fucked around with this message at 08:04 on May 4, 2021

darkwasthenight
Jan 7, 2011

GENE TRAITOR

Ok Comboomer posted:

so bigsby...yes? I thought ppl here generally hated old-style vibratos that struggled to stay in tune

For Gretsch go B6/B3 - don't need to add extra screws and most complaints come down to the steep break angle the tension bars give you anyway.

Personally I absolutely hate stringing Bigsbys BUT added one to my LP anyway because I Need That Wiggle. Used a Vibramate setup which gives it an extra cm or so of break angle and had no issues with either tuning or change in playability. Very happy, would tremfuckle again.

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

i think my strategy to become a notable guitar player/songwriter will be to have a normal band, but i will be on a stool. not sitting, but perching, as i play guitar

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

creamcorn posted:

i absolutely love bigsbys when i use them in stores, have never owned one though so i can't speak to tuning stability. there's something very meaty and satisfying to the mechanism, it feels good in the same way turning a socket wrench does.


the big theme i'm getting out of all this is that you're really struggling to develop your own voice on the instrument; despite the amount of vocabulary and technical ability you've learned, you haven't devoted the same amount of time and energy to finding your own sound yet. put acquiring more technical stuff on the backburner, and develop what you have now; learn deeper, not broader.

the strongest way to do this, imo, is via improvisation. pick literally any key and play a ii-V7-I in it (your part about not being able to play in B♭ is weird; guitar fingerings are identical, no matter the amount of flats or sharps). improvise over the changes with single note playing, and put the technical vocab on the backburner while you play. learn how the intervals make you feel, how they fit together in series, how to establish and dissipate tension. if you want to incorporate your technical analysis vocabulary, record yourself and do so after you play; all you should be doing while improvising is audiating and transferring your expression to the instrument. do the same with chords, and internalize extensions you like over certain functions.

so the weird thing is that technical ability and voice aren't entirely separate things.

i have a feeling in mind or a certain type of vibe/attitude, but i don't hear anything in my head (at this song germ stage) to go after. it feels kind of like looking around in a dark room for something, but it's your bedroom, so you kind of know how to get through it even if you can't see.

i just can never really get something out that sounds "right" in that state. sometimes it happens.

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo
Jazzmaster trem > Bigsby >>> Floyd Rose >>> Strat Trem

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

landgrabber posted:

so the weird thing is that technical ability and voice aren't entirely separate things.

i have a feeling in mind or a certain type of vibe/attitude, but i don't hear anything in my head (at this song germ stage) to go after. it feels kind of like looking around in a dark room for something, but it's your bedroom, so you kind of know how to get through it even if you can't see.

i just can never really get something out that sounds "right" in that state. sometimes it happens.

You're trying to force creativity and that's probably the worst thing you can do.

Make it fun. Turn off your brain. Just go with it. Literally that's how you improv and write things, sections of your frontal cortex shut off while others get hyper-excited. You enter into a zone and things will pour out. Sounds like you're trying to force that zone which means it will never happen. It's just a natural thing caused by a state of relaxation and being calm.

Ok so you know theory now, and I assume your dexterity is good enough to play what you want, but now you gotta work on actually playing what you want. Grab your guitar and just sit there, playing. Something will come up. It's almost impossible to teach creativity but with all your music theory you now have a coloring book that you can use to put colors into.

Relax. Just have fun with it. When things open back up (you should have at least one vaxx by now) find some people who like the same music you do and just play. Have fun. Get high, drunk, or pray or whatever it is kids do nowadays. Make taktoks? Whatever. Point is that youre getting lost in the forest and panicking when you should sit down and just have fun being in that forest.

Just go play and have fun.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!
do what the polyphia dude does and write a cool trap song in Ableton using generative synth patches, then transpose it into guitar and watch theory youtubers lose their minds trying to explain your songwriting method

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

Ok Comboomer posted:

write a cool trap song

already lost me here pal


Spanish Manlove posted:

You're trying to force creativity and that's probably the worst thing you can do.

Make it fun. Turn off your brain. Just go with it. Literally that's how you improv and write things, sections of your frontal cortex shut off while others get hyper-excited. You enter into a zone and things will pour out. Sounds like you're trying to force that zone which means it will never happen. It's just a natural thing caused by a state of relaxation and being calm.

Ok so you know theory now, and I assume your dexterity is good enough to play what you want, but now you gotta work on actually playing what you want. Grab your guitar and just sit there, playing. Something will come up. It's almost impossible to teach creativity but with all your music theory you now have a coloring book that you can use to put colors into.

Relax. Just have fun with it. When things open back up (you should have at least one vaxx by now) find some people who like the same music you do and just play. Have fun. Get high, drunk, or pray or whatever it is kids do nowadays. Make taktoks? Whatever. Point is that youre getting lost in the forest and panicking when you should sit down and just have fun being in that forest.

Just go play and have fun.

i am not trying to force creativity, i have ideas in my head and little stray pieces and i'm trying to find the right thing to connect them.

i do not loving believe anyone, for a second, who says there's no strain in the process, or that you don't sometimes have to go through painful steps to get something.

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

also my frontal cortex has been turned off for literally my entire life and it hasn't helped me so far

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
Based on that big post it sounds like that metaphor in spongebob where all the little spongebob's were running around an office that was on fire

Relax dude. Just have fun with it. Some times you can't get a song idea to work at the moment so you shelve it and move onto another idea. Odds are that you'll figure out something later that you can use the previous idea in.

massive spider
Dec 6, 2006

landgrabber posted:


i have a feeling in mind or a certain type of vibe/attitude, but i don't hear anything in my head (at this song germ stage) to go after. it feels kind of like looking around in a dark room for something, but it's your bedroom, so you kind of know how to get through it even if you can't see.


Thats what creativity is, you sit and you stare at a blank page (or DAW or whatever) with no ideas and hate yourself. You have a bunch of disconnected ideas that sound great in your head but you can't make them work. Then you start making something and its awful but then someday you accidentally tweak it to sound kinda decent, but it still doesn't sound like that mythical idea you had in your head. But maybe, if you're lucky, its its own thing and you just learn to accept that thing and follow where it wants to go.

I dont trust the idea that songs just come formed into your brain and then escape into the instrument. Its a constant feedback loop of making something and looking at it and going 'well, could this be something worthwhile? Maybe?'

nishi koichi
Feb 16, 2007

everyone feels that way and gives up.
that's how they get away with it.
everything builds, just keep creating and saving the things you make, go back and review. and get inspiration from different artforms, analyze work that's close to you. helps me. and i try not to disappointed in myself if i don't feel like working on music. if i want to do something else, that helps

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

nishi koichi posted:

everything builds, just keep creating and saving the things you make, go back and review. and get inspiration from different artforms, analyze work that's close to you. helps me. and i try not to disappointed in myself if i don't feel like working on music. if i want to do something else, that helps

part of my problem is that i’m just too close to all that stuff.

like, sometimes i’ll get into that flow space and just play stuff and accidentally recreate a song i like, or part of it, then my brain goes “lol that’s just weezer” and BOOM i’m yanked back to reality.

i do steal lines from other forms of media with the idea of using them as lyrics. the most fun one imo is a persona 4 pull — “you got my the same way last year”

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

nishi koichi posted:

everything builds, just keep creating and saving the things you make, go back and review. and get inspiration from different artforms, analyze work that's close to you. helps me. and i try not to disappointed in myself if i don't feel like working on music. if i want to do something else, that helps

you are beautiful godot

nishi koichi
Feb 16, 2007

everyone feels that way and gives up.
that's how they get away with it.

landgrabber posted:

part of my problem is that i’m just too close to all that stuff.

like, sometimes i’ll get into that flow space and just play stuff and accidentally recreate a song i like, or part of it, then my brain goes “lol that’s just weezer” and BOOM i’m yanked back to reality.

i do steal lines from other forms of media with the idea of using them as lyrics. the most fun one imo is a persona 4 pull — “you got my the same way last year”

oh no, it doesn't matter if it's weezer, mess with it anyway

nishi koichi
Feb 16, 2007

everyone feels that way and gives up.
that's how they get away with it.
try stealing the chords from any of your favorites, and make a new song out of it

massive spider
Dec 6, 2006

Alternatively, if you know your influences very well, make a deliberate choice you know that they would not make.

nishi koichi
Feb 16, 2007

everyone feels that way and gives up.
that's how they get away with it.
yeahh that's good

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
I'll listen to stuff I write and go "poo poo that's literally the verse riff from Antichrist by Slayer" then show it to other people who then say they sound nothing alike.

Who cares man, just have fun

Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer

massive spider posted:

Alternatively, if you know your influences very well, make a deliberate choice you know that they would not make.

I read once, and it stuck with me, that you should spend twice as much time listening as you do practicing. If you feel like you are struggling to create things that don't sound like X, make a conscious effort to expose yourself to everything BUT X for a while. Then, take your newly filled ears and brain and go see what comes out. Steal lines and phrases and progressions from other instruments.

50s and 60s Miles is great for this because he wasn't a technical virtuoso. But you have a world of spacing, dynamics, feeling to reinterpret. Trumpet and sax, any single-note instrument really.

Go spend two days just rolling around in solo piano work of Debussy. Don't listen passively, listen hungry. There's meat in there for the music YOU want to make, too, if you listen for it.

I'm not saying, "if yer bored by pop just go listen to jazzzzz." I'm saying that if you're trying to find your own voice and struggling with what's coming out, REALLY stretch your legs on what you're putting in for a little while.

nishi koichi
Feb 16, 2007

everyone feels that way and gives up.
that's how they get away with it.
i really think exposing yourself to other arts helps you in a broader sense, and it's something i've noticed in myself, where i feel guilty for giving myself a drat break musically. even if you aren't actually making or listening to music, experiencing art gives you connections that ordinarily wouldn't have been made

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beer gas canister
Oct 30, 2007

shmups are da best come play some shmups they're cheap and good and you like them
Plaster Town Cop

Huxley posted:


50s and 60s Miles is great for this because he wasn't a technical virtuoso.
He definitely was, Miles studied at Juilliard for a few semesters and quit to go pro, with Charlie Parker no less, in the mid 40s

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