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moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Forums Terrorist posted:

Also, if you're going British, get the Open Fire box and sell/trade the Germans. That gets you 6 Sherman Vs and 2 Fireflies, which is a solid base to start with.

You can also likely trade your Axis for someone's Allies and end up with double that, too. (Can British run that many tanks?)

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Forums Terrorist
Dec 8, 2011

Yes, but it's not advisable. Leave tank hoarding to the Soviets. :v:

Ropes4u
May 2, 2009

muggins posted:

http://freshcoastgaming.blogspot.com/2014/05/bolt-action-i-shall-return.html

I wrote up some initial thoughts on Bolt Action. Trying to get my group into it. Another 85$ 40k hardcover will help :)

I have been considering hitting the local (2 hour drive) bolt action group to see if I would like this game.

Do you think there is some longevity to the game? I have not played a miniatures game and this one looks affordable.

humannature
Apr 28, 2010

I was a vegan Hibernian Warden, but I gave that up to join the flesh-eating Chaotic Socialist Space Republic.

The Gate posted:

Alright, so there's a Flames of War group at my new FLGS that seem to be pretty cool guys, and I'm considering buying some tonks to screw around with since I just can't justify the cost for 40k so much anymore. I've been poking around and it seems like British armoured companies are super rare or something, as I can't seem to find any advice/info on them. Anyone here have experience, or know a site with some info or even just some battle reports I could look at?

Here's a couple batreps:

http://www.wwpd.net/2013/04/joe-v-and-friends-tame-some-tigers.html

http://www.breakthroughassault.co.uk/2013/01/canadian-armoured-recce-vs.html

There's a few subtle variations between Commonwealth lists. If you're not set on Brits, I prefer Canadians due to some of the special rules they get like Mission Tactics. I also like the Canadian Armoured Recce list from the Market Garden book. Their Shermans are expensive, but they have a few extra special rules that are quite helpful. The Road to Rome book just came out too and it has some other Commonwealth armor lists like South Africans and Kiwis, but I haven't had a chance to digest those lists yet. Open Fire! is a great start for Commonwealth tanks, especially if you can trade the axis for more Shermans. Some lists let you take 2 regular shermans and 2 fireflies per platoon, so it'd be good to have 4 fireflies available.

Slab Squatthrust
Jun 3, 2008

This is mutiny!

humannature posted:

Here's a couple batreps:

http://www.wwpd.net/2013/04/joe-v-and-friends-tame-some-tigers.html

http://www.breakthroughassault.co.uk/2013/01/canadian-armoured-recce-vs.html

There's a few subtle variations between Commonwealth lists. If you're not set on Brits, I prefer Canadians due to some of the special rules they get like Mission Tactics. I also like the Canadian Armoured Recce list from the Market Garden book. Their Shermans are expensive, but they have a few extra special rules that are quite helpful. The Road to Rome book just came out too and it has some other Commonwealth armor lists like South Africans and Kiwis, but I haven't had a chance to digest those lists yet. Open Fire! is a great start for Commonwealth tanks, especially if you can trade the axis for more Shermans. Some lists let you take 2 regular shermans and 2 fireflies per platoon, so it'd be good to have 4 fireflies available.

Thanks man, I'll have to check out the Open Fire set. It does seem like a good deal, and I'm sure I can find somewhere to trade the German stuff away. Or just keep and use when I eventually get a second force because that's what wargames do. :v:

Looking at the Canadian rules they do seem pretty great, rerolls to hop back in tanks seems good from what I've read. Plus the command team always living unless they end up too far away is probably handy.

humannature
Apr 28, 2010

I was a vegan Hibernian Warden, but I gave that up to join the flesh-eating Chaotic Socialist Space Republic.

The Gate posted:

Thanks man, I'll have to check out the Open Fire set. It does seem like a good deal, and I'm sure I can find somewhere to trade the German stuff away. Or just keep and use when I eventually get a second force because that's what wargames do. :v:

Looking at the Canadian rules they do seem pretty great, rerolls to hop back in tanks seems good from what I've read. Plus the command team always living unless they end up too far away is probably handy.

If you're in the US, I regularly see Open Fire! on ebay for $63 shipped. The other thing you should take a look at are plastic soldier company late war UK infantry. Plastic soldier company were more realistically proportioned in the past, but the details weren't very good. The late war UK infantry are a new release, and they're made in a new, more beefy style. They look pretty good and you can get a full company (3 infantry platoons + command) for about $30. It's good to have infantry in support of tanks (you want them to have transport if you run them in a tank company though), but it also lets you run an infantry company with tank support if you like.

Forums Terrorist
Dec 8, 2011

Actually, the Market Garden Guards infantry get the Platoon, Debus! rule, which gives them a 3+ save when riding tanks. This means it's totally viable to have them ride on your Shermans/Cromwells.

humannature
Apr 28, 2010

I was a vegan Hibernian Warden, but I gave that up to join the flesh-eating Chaotic Socialist Space Republic.

Forums Terrorist posted:

Actually, the Market Garden Guards infantry get the Platoon, Debus! rule, which gives them a 3+ save when riding tanks. This means it's totally viable to have them ride on your Shermans/Cromwells.

I didn't know that. That's a good point. Even with the save you've got to be careful with tank riders, but it can work. I still like Canadians in Ram Kangeroos better, but if you're starting out that's a great suggestion.

Slab Squatthrust
Jun 3, 2008

This is mutiny!
Sounds good, I've been eyeballing some of the PSC stuff since it seemed cheap for the sheer number of dudes you get. Our FLGS sells a bunch of FoW stuff I'll have to see. How much Open Fire! costs there.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!
If anyone else paint 28mm samurai, some good news: the lack of decals for banners etc. is now somewhat solved as Steel Fist Miniatures have started to put out transfer sheets.

http://www.steelfistminiatures.com/products/decals_or_transfers


I ordered a few and will post a review once I get them. Last time I know that it was possible to find Tokugawa transfers must have been way back in 2008, 2009 or so. I'm very happy.

Slab Squatthrust
Jun 3, 2008

This is mutiny!

The Gate posted:

Sounds good, I've been eyeballing some of the PSC stuff since it seemed cheap for the sheer number of dudes you get. Our FLGS sells a bunch of FoW stuff I'll have to see. How much Open Fire! costs there.

To follow up: got the starter at my FLGS, put together a Firefly last night. If any goons reading this are interested in the German half of the Open Fire box, or want to trade the Allied half, hit me up and we can work something out I'm sure. If not I'll look at trading it or ebaying it off.

Models all look pretty nice, pretty much everything is plastic and they give you magnets for the Sherman turrets which was pretty neat.

What does everyone usually do for painting up these guys? I was thinking doing a base layer of drab green, a wash, then touching up and adding color to the baggage/tracks/wheels and adding markings was probably the main thing, any other details I should aim for or be aware of?

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003
I had a good text and photo tutorial, but I cannot find it for the life of me. Vallejo Brown Violet was used for the base, washed, and worked up.

At any rate, something like this should help you out.

humannature
Apr 28, 2010

I was a vegan Hibernian Warden, but I gave that up to join the flesh-eating Chaotic Socialist Space Republic.

The Gate posted:

To follow up: got the starter at my FLGS, put together a Firefly last night. If any goons reading this are interested in the German half of the Open Fire box, or want to trade the Allied half, hit me up and we can work something out I'm sure. If not I'll look at trading it or ebaying it off.

Models all look pretty nice, pretty much everything is plastic and they give you magnets for the Sherman turrets which was pretty neat.

What does everyone usually do for painting up these guys? I was thinking doing a base layer of drab green, a wash, then touching up and adding color to the baggage/tracks/wheels and adding markings was probably the main thing, any other details I should aim for or be aware of?

Check out this video from Battlefront for the shermans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcaRsYE1nUg


They have a whole series for the open fire stuff. Oh and check out this site for some tips on making them fit together better:

http://theminikingdom.blogspot.com/2013/01/flames-of-war-open-fire-sherman-fixes.html

I believe Open Fire! was one of battlefront's first set of plastics. They've improved a whole lot since then on vehicles.

humannature fucked around with this message at 23:37 on May 20, 2014

CovfefeCatCafe
Apr 11, 2006

A fresh attitude
brewed daily!

humannature posted:

I believe Open Fire! was one of battlefront's first set of plastics. They've improved a whole lot since then on vehicles.

As I understand, the Open Fire! was also sculpted instead of CAD/CAM like the current line of plastics, and was done at an altogether different factory.

Would be nice if they could re-release it as a set of maybe 5 Shermans and 5 PzIVs now that the plastic M4A3s are suppose to be out in the next month or two.

Slab Squatthrust
Jun 3, 2008

This is mutiny!

berzerkmonkey posted:

I had a good text and photo tutorial, but I cannot find it for the life of me. Vallejo Brown Violet was used for the base, washed, and worked up.

At any rate, something like this should help you out.


humannature posted:

Check out this video from Battlefront for the shermans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcaRsYE1nUg


They have a whole series for the open fire stuff. Oh and check out this site for some tips on making them fit together better:

http://theminikingdom.blogspot.com/2013/01/flames-of-war-open-fire-sherman-fixes.html

I believe Open Fire! was one of battlefront's first set of plastics. They've improved a whole lot since then on vehicles.

Awesome guys, I will check that poo poo out. Especially that Sherman fitting thing, because the first Firefly does have some small gaps, not quite as bad as their demo model but, still. Could be better.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I know this is going to sound kind of dumb, but is it possible to just plastic army men (war appropriate if possible) to play some of these games like black powder or bolt action? I don't mind getting the rule books, I just want to see if my friend and I like it first, before I say drop money on Pegagsus Bridge for Bolt Action which looks awesome, or some other set. I also suck at painting...so that plays into it too.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



It's more than possible, it's extremely appropriate and cheaper!

If you look for 1/72 scale army men, you can get about fifty guys for :10bux:. Good manufacturers include Airfix, Itallari, Caesar, and Plastic Soldier Factory.

Edit:
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com
Go here and click on everything.

moths fucked around with this message at 19:03 on May 23, 2014

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

moths posted:

It's more than possible, it's extremely appropriate and cheaper!

If you look for 1/72 scale army men, you can get about fifty guys for :10bux:. Good manufacturers include Airfix, Itallari, Caesar, and Plastic Soldier Factory.

Edit:
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com
Go here and click on everything.

:yayclod:

This is so drat awesome. I never knew how many cheap plastic army men got made. This also makes an initial investment a lot less of a pain in the wallet.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.

gfanikf posted:

:yayclod:

This is so drat awesome. I never knew how many cheap plastic army men got made. This also makes an initial investment a lot less of a pain in the wallet.

Soon enough, though, you'll be buying everything Perry has to offer and filing off incorrect badge markings, and sperging out about the proper green for your German tanks.


One of us
One of us
One of us

Beardless
Aug 12, 2011

I am Centurion Titus Polonius. And the only trouble I've had is that nobody seem to realize that I'm their superior officer.
What scale does Flames of War use?

Edit: It looks like it's 15mm (or 1/100). Why couldn't they just use 1/72nd? :argh:

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.
Because then you wouldn't buy their models.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Beardless posted:

What scale does Flames of War use?

Edit: It looks like it's 15mm (or 1/100). Why couldn't they just use 1/72nd? :argh:

If you want cheap models, Zvezda doa bunch of 1/100.

Also: the Revell Mini-kits (the really really basic ones) for fighter planes are the appropriate scale IIRC.

Beardless
Aug 12, 2011

I am Centurion Titus Polonius. And the only trouble I've had is that nobody seem to realize that I'm their superior officer.
I was looking at Toysoldierco.com, and they have some basic stuff for US and German late War. How are they as far as pricing and so forth?

Edit: More specifically, I was looking at the Plastic Soldier 15mm.

Beardless fucked around with this message at 23:49 on May 23, 2014

Forums Terrorist
Dec 8, 2011

Plastic Soldier Company are legit and make great stuff.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug

Beardless posted:

What scale does Flames of War use?

Edit: It looks like it's 15mm (or 1/100). Why couldn't they just use 1/72nd? :argh:

Zvezda makes 1/100 tanks, you can score one for ~$5 (or $10 if it's the T-35).

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Colonial Air Force posted:

Soon enough, though, you'll be buying everything Perry has to offer and filing off incorrect badge markings, and sperging out about the proper green for your German tanks.


One of us
One of us
One of us

If you saw my artistic ability you'd understand why all my units will always been unpainted. :)

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Ensign Expendable posted:

Zvezda makes 1/100 tanks, you can score one for ~$5 (or $10 if it's the T-35).
Order five from PSC as a platoon deal, they seem to sell them at the same price as other stuff.

humannature
Apr 28, 2010

I was a vegan Hibernian Warden, but I gave that up to join the flesh-eating Chaotic Socialist Space Republic.

Beardless posted:

What scale does Flames of War use?

Edit: It looks like it's 15mm (or 1/100). Why couldn't they just use 1/72nd? :argh:

It'd probably be harder to do the whole company + support thing at that scale. I really like 15mm for some reason.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Actually doing stuff in 20mm is still about as cheap as doing it in 15mm. Even with PSC putting out cheap tanks and infantry you're not really saving a huge amount. Guns are a bit harder to get though.

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
Reluctant Trained Jagdtigers soon :heysexy:

To make things better, they are also auto-defend.

CovfefeCatCafe
Apr 11, 2006

A fresh attitude
brewed daily!

Leo Showers posted:

Reluctant Trained Jagdtigers soon :heysexy:

To make things better, they are also auto-defend.

And Otto Carius with his "favorite" unit. Should have a rule that if a spotter plane comes within 16", or if they can draw line of sight to more than two Shermans, they need to roll motivation to not run away.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
Yeah, Bridge at Remagen looks like a ton of fun. Can't wait to pay an absurd amount of points for a full platoon of Pershings. :homebrew:

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




YF19pilot posted:

And Otto Carius with his "favorite" unit. Should have a rule that if a spotter plane comes within 16", or if they can draw line of sight to more than two Shermans, they need to roll motivation to not run away.

Then if they fail that motivation test, another test to see if they back away from the Shermans or turn around and expose their rear armour while driving away :v:

CovfefeCatCafe
Apr 11, 2006

A fresh attitude
brewed daily!
I'm running that Mechanized Aces campaign at my LGS, and we just had Turn 2 last night. The Axis swept again, and in order for the Allies to have a shot at winning the campaign, they need to sweep next week, which is unlikely.

The two Allied players who are consistent in showing up are new players to table-top war gaming in general, and can be unfocused to say the least. The Axis side is myself, and another player who is new to FoW, but a 40k vet. Unfortunately, I highly doubt the Allies are going to pull off anything other than getting tabled three weeks in a row. One kid has never really run infantry before, and decided to run the Polish AK list. Normally his poor decision making is made up for with Soviet armor, but he doesn't have that to back him up. (Last night he gave everyone SMGs, so he more or less got slaughtered running into German MG troops hiding in a tree line.)

The other Allied player, running Americans, has picked a decent army (Cavalry Recon) but hamstrings himself on poor army composition and bad table top decisions. Like running only two platoons with a single Recon element so he can take Chaffees, and to his own admission being 70 points under on Turn 1 last week (my Italians won by MGing his Jeeps and forcing morale checks). This week he took the same exact force, but with the addition of Priority Air with Air Superiority and Rockets, and went against my Italians again. My own poor dice rolls are the only thing that saved him from losing on the first turn.

My point is, for the Allies to have a shot at taking the campaign, I'm asking players who normally rely on either their equipment or their partners in a 2v2 battle to win, to pull a hat-trick that is difficult for experienced players. I'm really thinking of restarting the campaign and rearranging the teams to actually give an even shake to both sides. I'm the veteran player in the group, and my partner is a veteran tabletop player, against two people who are new to the game and gaming in general. I really think it would be better to reorganize this, or if we could get one other person to show up consistently, I could step back and just play ref/GM, instead of being the unstoppable Italian murder machine that I've become (and by all rights shouldn't be in this kind of environment).

I'll see what they want to do next week, but I'm not sure this is really 'fun' because the Allies seem to lose each game before the first die roll just by the kind of poor choices they make. Maybe I'll just pull the plug altogether and just run Armor Aces once Remagen comes out. Or a Firestorm campaign, that might be a little more even handed.

Forums Terrorist
Dec 8, 2011

No you should clearly stomp the Allied untermenschen into ze dust :godwinning:

In seriousness, yeah. Always pair newbies with vets, so the newbies don't get stomped endlessly, lose interest, and quit.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.
Started painting up some Bolt Action! British Airborne, based on the South Staffordshire Regiment (the reenactment unit I'm a member of), and now I'm :spergin: because they're wearing the wrong pants for airlanding troops.

I mean whatever, at this scale who cares, right?

Historicals: Those are not the proper trousers for British gliderborne troops in September of 1944!

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
What's the actual difference at 1:1 scale?

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.

Arquinsiel posted:

What's the actual difference at 1:1 scale?

Paratroopers had an extra pocket on their left leg: http://www.whatpriceglory.com/shopexd.asp?id=1119&bc=no

Glider troops wore the regular pants that the rest of the army wore.

E: Okay, I lied (or rather I went to look it up).

The difference is actually that the paratroop pants have a closeable flap on that pocket, in which case these models are fine (because the smock covers the pocket on all of them so you can't tell).

:spergin: canceled!

3 Action Economist fucked around with this message at 20:59 on May 25, 2014

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
:woop: :spergin: averted! I was going to paint my lads as Paras anyway.

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No Pun Intended
Jul 23, 2007

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ASK ME ABOUT TONING MY FINE ASS DWARVEN BOOTY BY RUNNING FROM THE COPS OUTSIDE THAT ELF KINDERGARTEN

BEHOLD THE DONG OF THE DWARVES! THE DWARVEN DONG IS COMING!
My credit card slipped and accidentally purchased a copy of Jugula and 2 packs of cards :shrug:.

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