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2019 Audi Q8 Drivers' Notes Review How does this thing get comparable fuel mileage to a 5.3L Silverado while also being even slower to 60 mph
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i own every Bionicle posted:It is good news because the current gen of used ones may finally come down in price Eh? You can already get a decent one around $13k if you look
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Mar 22, 2019 18:41
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opengl128 posted:Words have no meaning coupe is from french carriage body styles and just means that the car is cut down, so if anything it's a very accurate use
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Mar 22, 2019 18:56
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incels interlinked posted:2019 Audi Q8 Drivers' Notes Review it weighs (slightly) more than the silverado and i bet gearing plays a part
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Mar 22, 2019 18:57
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I drove a new Sienna as a rental not too long ago and that thing was loving awesome, and fun to drive, it's actually fairly nimble compared to a crossover and when it's empty the V6 will get it out of its own way.
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Mar 22, 2019 18:57
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Olympic Mathlete posted:I'd totally buy a repro AE86 with a revvy 4 banger, gently caress a turbo... Yeah me too, but have options other than a lovely boxer engine nobody really wants
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Mar 22, 2019 19:02
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:it weighs (slightly) more than the silverado and i bet gearing plays a part Applebees Appetizer posted:Would be nice if Toyota told Subaru to gently caress off and did it on their own but
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Mar 22, 2019 19:19
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:it weighs (slightly) more than the silverado and i bet gearing plays a part Being a German car it'll be set up optimally for (i.e. to cheat) the euro test cycle. The Chevy will be set up to do well (or at least as well as possible) in the US cycle.
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Mar 22, 2019 20:15
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mobby_6kl posted:Is the 48-volt system they're talking about just star-stop or some sort of hybrid thing? Wasn't the good escort essentially a familia/protege/323 underneath? And yes, yes they should, with both banks of the coyote engine.
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Mar 22, 2019 20:35
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BloodBag posted:Wasn't the good escort essentially a familia/protege/323 underneath? If you're making a retro Escort it should be channeling the euro Mark 1 not any of the US market models.
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Mar 22, 2019 21:14
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dissss posted:If you're making a retro Escort it should be channeling the euro Mark 1 not any of the US market models. That's just like, your opinion man.
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Mar 22, 2019 21:21
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BloodBag posted:That's just like, your opinion man. One that happens to be correct though! They (Mazda) should definitely also make a retro 323F though with the V6.
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Mar 22, 2019 21:26
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I'd have liked to see a retro EV inspired by the late 70s? 323 (last of the RWD whatever model that was) bun I guess Honda has kind of beaten them to it. Something inspired by the first gen RX-7 would be cool too but not sure how that would fit in with the MX-5 now that has a coupe version.
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Mar 22, 2019 21:39
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incels interlinked posted:2019 Audi Q8 Drivers' Notes Review Decades ago a GM executive asked the monkey's paw to make GM have the best engine on the planet but failed to specify anything else before the finger curled
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Mar 22, 2019 22:06
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Big fan of the dude in the comments who is like “modern cars have just gotten too drat small, normal people can’t fit in them!” I was in Mexico again recently, and I can confirm that it's physically possible to fit four adult humans in a Nissan Tsuru, and afterward even getting into a Yaris feels amazing and luxurious. Then, returning home to a Golf is like getting into a large and extremely luxurious supercar by comparison!
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Mar 22, 2019 23:51
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The delta between good mainstream cars and luxury cars is a lot smaller today than ever before. On the newer platforms, and even ignoring issues of TCO, I'd probably be happier owning and driving a top trim Mazda or Toyota than a base trim Audi or BMW in the respective segment.
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Mar 23, 2019 01:14
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At least locally, I see very few base trim BMW or Audi. So you may be on to something.
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Mar 23, 2019 01:19
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Part of the issue is that the premium manufacturers don't really make anything truly special or interesting until you're playing with Porsche money, and at that point why not get the Porsche? The more I've looked at luxury brand vehicles as potential future purchases the more I've realized just how far some of the mainstream manufacturers have come, and how utterly not exciting a $50k A4 is versus a $50k Mustang or 4x4 truck that can actually do things.
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Mar 23, 2019 01:51
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5-year-old 3 series are an insanely good deal, especially if you can change your own plugs and whatnot to avoid German Car Labor Costs. You can get a hell of a lot of car for less than $15k, and they aren’t constantly falling apart like older 3 series did. I loving love mine, and it’s been rock solid. Buying one new, though, yeah, that’s insane. But so is a $50k Mustang.
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Mar 23, 2019 02:38
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Dadliest Worrier posted:Buying one new, though, yeah, that’s insane. But so is a $50k Mustang. Hold my beer. 
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Mar 23, 2019 02:47
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Wheeee posted:Part of the issue is that the premium manufacturers don't really make anything truly special or interesting until you're playing with Porsche money, and at that point why not get the Porsche? That's always been the case though, it's not like a basic B5 A4 or an E36 was a nicer place to sit than a contemporary Accord
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Mar 23, 2019 02:50
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dissss posted:That's always been the case though, it's not like a basic B5 A4 or an E36 was a nicer place to sit than a contemporary Accord
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Mar 23, 2019 03:07
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Um. The B5 A4 was amazing. poo poo the bed constantly, but it was a tremendous driver's car. Don't compare it to an Accord. I'd take an Accord over the basic A4 from the same time. The upper trims were of course better but the lower ones were incredibly slow (esp the diesels) and ride/handling was nothing to write home about.
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Mar 23, 2019 03:12
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I’d take a high end accord over an A4 these days for sure.
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Mar 23, 2019 04:08
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thesurlyspringKAA posted:I’d take a high end accord over an A4 these days for sure. It depends if you're factoring cost in. The Accord will be a 'better deal' but I still think the A4 is a superior car, if you've got the spare change. Though it's a hard choice to justify when it's new and depreciates so fast. People looking to buy a used car in 3-5 years will have some amazing and affordable choices. Something Offal fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Mar 23, 2019 |
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Mar 23, 2019 05:22
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PT6A posted:I was in Mexico again recently, and I can confirm that it's physically possible to fit four adult humans in a Nissan Tsuru, and afterward even getting into a Yaris feels amazing and luxurious. That's not all that surprising seeing as the Tsuru is just an early 90s Sentra.
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Mar 23, 2019 10:30
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BloodBag posted:That's not all that surprising seeing as the Tsuru is just an early 90s Sentra. Isn't the Sentra supposed to be the same size category as the Yaris, though? The Yaris was appreciably bigger and much, much nicer inside, going to show how much cars in the same segment have grown over the past few decades. I think the Tsuru was actually somewhat nicer than the modern Sentra I drove, though. At least its horrible little engine was connected to a manual transmission so the driver could appropriately flog the piss out of it, rather than a laggy CVT that makes the entire car shake any time you go beyond 50% throttle.
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Mar 23, 2019 12:34
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Dadliest Worrier posted:5-year-old 3 series are an insanely good deal, especially if you can change your own plugs and whatnot to avoid German Car Labor Costs. You can get a hell of a lot of car for less than $15k, and they aren’t constantly falling apart like older 3 series did. I loving love mine, and it’s been rock solid. Are decent ones really this cheap?
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Mar 23, 2019 13:33
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Residency Evil posted:Are decent ones really this cheap? Yeah, they are. Specifically, this means the 2013-2016 328i in the US. They're hitting the sweet spot of the depreciation curve where you can find ones that have been with 1 or maybe 2 owners who take care of them, but those people are moving on to the new generation 3 series, which just came out. You can eat a little more depreciation by buying a 2016 CPO, or you can do a little more hunting for a slightly older one that's been well cared for. Basically BMWs get bought by yuppies, then get sold by those yuppies to BMW geeks. This generation (the F30) isn't as popular with BMW geeks because it has a turbo 4 instead of an NA straight 6 and the steering is electric, which means it doesn't have as much feel as older generation 3 series. But the turbo 4 pulls hard, especially midrange, and they're actually faster and lighter than the previous generation. And BMW seems to have sorted out a lot of the design flaws on things like AC and cooling systems that made older BMWs such an ongoing pain to maintain. So the market for used F30s is softer than usual for an aging 3 series, and the cars themselves are better quality than usual, so it's a good deal if you're looking for a nice spacious RWD sporty sedan. You can get one optioned with a HUD, heated seats, good sound system, keyless entry, etc, for under $15k. We've had 3 of them in my family, and not one of them has had any issues beyond normal maintenance. Parts and labor are more expensive than you'd pay on a CR-V or whatever, but it also is a shitload more car than a CR-V, and the price comes down if you do some of the work yourself.
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Mar 23, 2019 16:07
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I rented a new Rav4 recently, with 600! Miles on it, and it was a phenomenal car, adaptive cruise, plenty of room, plenty of power, without being too horribly huge, good to drive, and it got 37 MPG over a drive with stop and go traffic and open highway, parked it in a mud puddle and the torque-vectoring awd worked great. I'm currently renting a Chevy Sonic, and it struggles to get 30 MPG and drives like poo poo, the comparison is staggering.
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Mar 23, 2019 16:09
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The RAV4 is so much worse than a Mazda CX-5 it’s not even funny. If you’re in the market for a crossover and buy a Toyota or a Nissan Rogue over the CX-5 you have made a gigantic mistake.
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Mar 23, 2019 16:12
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Dadliest Worrier posted:
Fixed one important thing. At least in the US the 3-series are leased a vast majority of the time, and BMW has a pretty good secondary lease program where they're leased out a second time before hitting the auctions. A large number of used 320i on the market right now are former dealer loaners. Very few folks actually buy those new. edit: RAV4 chat I actually drove a new RAV4 last weekend, and the CX-5 is still the segment leader as far as doing everything right. I couldn't believe all the reviews that said the engine is thrashy, and by god it's thrashy compared to any other compact or sub-compact SUV on the market right now. Toyota messed that one up bad. Goober Peas fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Mar 23, 2019 |
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Mar 23, 2019 16:47
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Goober Peas posted:At least in the US the 3-series are leased a vast majority of the time, and BMW has a pretty good secondary lease program where they're leased out a second time before hitting the auctions. Good point, leased more than bought.
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Mar 23, 2019 16:58
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Dadliest Worrier posted:Basically BMWs get bought by yuppies, then get sold by those yuppies to BMW geeks. This generation (the F30) isn't as popular with BMW geeks because it has a turbo 4 instead of an NA straight 6 and the steering is electric, which means it doesn't have as much feel as older generation 3 series. A good friend was recently tired of his E60 M5’s poor (complete poo poo) reliability, and scoffed at the idea of a more recent 3 series for a daily. He’s keeping the E60, and bought a 2001 740i to DD. It had cooling issues on the drive home.
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Mar 23, 2019 17:04
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dissss posted:I'd take an Accord over the basic A4 from the same time. The upper trims were of course better but the lower ones were incredibly slow (esp the diesels) and ride/handling was nothing to write home about. Keep in mind your market was probably different. North Americans did not get the absolutely dire base model poo poo-rear end versions of the Baby Benz/3 series/Junior Audi. I visited Macedonia a few years ago and their were basic versions of the e30/e36 running around and the equipment levels were an absolute joke.
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Mar 23, 2019 17:41
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MrYenko posted:A good friend was recently tired of his E60 M5’s poor (complete poo poo) reliability, and scoffed at the idea of a more recent 3 series for a daily. He’s keeping the E60, and bought a 2001 740i to DD. That's wonderful
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Mar 23, 2019 17:48
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Hasn’t the 7 series always had pretty questionable reliability? This goes back to at least the E32.
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Mar 23, 2019 17:51
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Frond posted:Keep in mind your market was probably different. North Americans did not get the absolutely dire base model poo poo-rear end versions of the Baby Benz/3 series/Junior Audi. Looking at the Norwegian configurator, the Mercedes A-Class comes standard with steel wheels with hubcaps. An alarm, illuminated sun visor mirrors and folding rear seats are all optional extras.
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Mar 23, 2019 18:29
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Proud Christian Mom posted:That's wonderful He’s AI as gently caress. His E24 M6 is apparently on loan to a BMW museum somewhere, his M5 is down for a throttle actuator gear overhaul, and he buys a 740 thats old enough to vote as a daily. Not smart, but I can relate.
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Mar 23, 2019 18:45
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Was at an event today where a local dealer brought several cars out for display, including a BMW X7, Audi Q8, and Subaru Ascent. I've seen a few X7s on the road but this is the first time I got to see it up close and poke around the interior. It looks pretty good in person and the interior is fantastic. I usually think BMW interiors are pretty bland but it was much nicer than the Audi. It was a 6 cylinder and the sticker was $87K. The Q8 looks great from the outside, interior is nice but not on the same level as the X7. Sticker was $97K which....seems like a lot. The Ascent doesn't look as slick but seemed almost as spacious as the X7, although I didn't try the 3rd row in any of them. The interior of course wasn't as opulent. It was still a very nice vehicle and "only" $43K.
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