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Endman posted:Yeah, it’s a nice idea, but vast generalised statements are usually anathema to “good” history and often books like this just serve to disguise how little we actually know about human societies from before the historiographical record began. I’m reading “The Dawn of Everything” written by the same guy who rote “Debt: The first 5,000 Years”. I have no idea how accurate it is, but the general thesis is that human society is not a straight forward evolution from hunter gather, horticulture, farming civilization etc. There’s lots of “choices” that early societies made and there’s a lot of variation within. The main point is that you can’t look at the Kung people of the Kalahari and and extrapolate their society to every pre-modern society on earth. which is funny, because around the time I was taking anthropology classes in college, that seemed to be the implication. But yeah, there’s a lot of conjecture coming from like shards of pottery and burial sites.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Wouldn't surprise me to find out that we had shared Earth with other close relatives besides the Neanderthals. the fearsome Alaskorussians
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Weka posted:You don't just sail wherever, you follow the currents. So it's ~5000km of open ocean sailing across the Atlantic compared to ~7000km across the Pacific, but you've got to sail down the inhospitable coast of west Africa first. if you sailed up past Japan and followed the North Pacific current, you’d end up in probably the Pacific Northwest though, from that map. Sail off the right hand side of the map and onto the left hand side. I’m not a sailor though, so I could be wrong on this.
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The thing with thought experiments like China colonising north america or kickstarting the Industrial revolution is the inherent implication that people would just be europeans if given the chance. When in reality enough people would have looked at the necessary brutality like the north atlantic slave trade and noped out.
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Junkozeyne posted:The thing with thought experiments like China colonising north america or kickstarting the Industrial revolution is the inherent implication that people would just be europeans if given the chance. The Song dynasty, the ones who made the proposal, had millions of (castrated) slaves, all Mongolians, Vietnamese, or other conquered "lesser" ethnic groups per their perspective. People are, in many times and many places, not ideal.
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projecthalaxy posted:The Song dynasty, the ones who made the proposal, had millions of (castrated) slaves, all Mongolians, Vietnamese, or other conquered "lesser" ethnic groups per their perspective. People are, in many times and many places, not ideal. Yeah slavery existed in many forms across many cultures but considering the lasting effects of the american genocides or the ongoing! "underdevelopment" of Africa by Europe/Anglo countries pointing to random luck in geography robs the actors of a fair bit of (monstrous) agency
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Junkozeyne posted:The thing with thought experiments like China colonising north america or kickstarting the Industrial revolution is the inherent implication that people would just be europeans if given the chance. europeans are not uniquely evil. there examples of this kind of human behavior across all of history. humans are humans.
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Junkozeyne posted:Yeah slavery existed in many forms across many cultures but considering the lasting effects of the american genocides or the ongoing! "underdevelopment" of Africa by Europe/Anglo countries pointing to random luck in geography robs the actors of a fair bit of (monstrous) agency no it doesn't.
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Can a non-European brain even conceive of a thing called "evil"?
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Reverse phrenology to prove the white brain is the most evil and stupid
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tokin opposition posted:Reverse phrenology to prove the white brain is the most evil and stupid 
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[As Song soldiers drag another hundred Joseon villagers to the Castration Spot to enslave them] dang these savages sure are noble
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I think a lot of people just like to theorycraft alt history poo poo without getting into the weeds of how big a prospective rear end in a top hat a given state might be. it's like real world world-building.
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If Maximilien Robespierre had gotten laid one more time in his life the entire world would be french-marxist by now
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Zeroisanumber posted:Wouldn't surprise me to find out that we had shared Earth with other close relatives besides the Neanderthals. they were called Denisovans
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the guy who found the cave the fossils were in was named Denis
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indigi posted:the guy who found the cave the fossils were in was named Denis Denis |
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oh my god lol reminds me of the early days of Covid: evil totalitarian Chinese drones flying around telling people not to leave their homes versus fun wacky Italian drones flying around telling people not to leave their homes
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vyelkin posted:oh my god lol actual chinese in actual rome: what backward rear end village is this
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vyelkin posted:oh my god lol I only took Covid seriously when it hit Italy because I'm so used to cable news hyping up "scary Chinese disease" every few years. Got totally owned when it came roaring through and killed all of those people.
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/as_a_worker/status/1668451627764789248?t=cjQC1T0sPYK7VmCDRjRYpw&s=19 Is it anticommunism? Or is it just typical communist navel-gazing and self loathing? Who knows? Is there even a difference?
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Endman posted:Is it anticommunism? Or is it just typical communist navel-gazing and self loathing? Who knows? Is there even a difference? Anarchist so it's the first one.
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a command economy will never work i keep insisting while china outproduces everybody else by a county mile
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So the, what, 200 million people, inside the Soviet system just lacked the most basic goods huh? And then kept going for 20-30 years? Incredible.
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YaketySass posted:Anarchist so it's the first one. Anarchists really just shouldn't be allowed
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irl anarchists i know are mostly OK. we might disagree on this or that minor thing, but they're great comrades otoh, i rarely see a twitter anarchist that doesn't walk in complete lockstep with US/MIC global agenda. it's almost like the popular US website is just an arm of the US propaganda machine, but surely that can't be true, they have free press!
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Truga posted:irl anarchists i know are mostly OK. we might disagree on this or that minor thing, but they're great comrades I'm somewhat more disillusioned on Balkans anarchists than you are, but yeah, twitter anarchists are a special kind of plague
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It's pretty much true, plus the revolution is probably never going to happen (insert Adam Curtis : "Because all their protesting happened on the internet and thus had no effect whatsoever. Oh Dear"), so best to just be chill
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Truga posted:i haven't seen that, but yeah
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indigi posted:they were called Denisovans There was another type of close relative they haven't found any remains for from Africa, identified only from our genes. Cerebral Bore posted:a command economy will never work i keep insisting while china outproduces everybody else by a county mile Well, this is the hot takes thread. China doesn't have a command economy. Technically it's less of a mixed economy than America, it's just there is more direction to their government spending.
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Cerebral Bore posted:buddy, like half the chinese economy is made up of directly state-owned enterprises and the other half is eminently commandable whenever the government decides to
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Endman posted:Anarchists really just shouldn't saved u some words
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