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Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


anthonypants posted:

That, or activate for themselves.

No more likely than them putting in a trojan of their own regardless.

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Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
They transmitted the stolen passwords over http.

https://www.fidusinfosec.com/fslabs-flight-simulation-labs-dropping-malware-to-combat-piracy/

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Just caught up, jesus how is that remotely okay, how can any of those idiots defend it unless they have some kind of hosed up videogame stockholm syndrome :psyduck:

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003



quote:

How secure is the data being stored? – The server running the log collection domain also has RDP open to the internet..


Same security team as Equifax.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

CLAM DOWN posted:

Just caught up, jesus how is that remotely okay, how can any of those idiots defend it unless they have some kind of hosed up videogame stockholm syndrome :psyduck:
Who's going to sue them?

Boris Galerkin posted:

The users on their forums are incredible. The amount of mental gymnastics they need to overcome is honestly amazing.

“I’ve got nothing to hide.”
“I’m not a pirate so this doesn’t affect me.”
“They said this is only used against pirates, so I’m fine.”
“Who cares if they steal your passwords, are you afraid they’re gonna log into your pornhub account?”

My favorite one was a guy claiming he was in the cyber security field and (paraphrased): “I don’t see any technical issues here because it only steals your passwords if you’re a pirate. Ethical issues yes, but not technical. Everything is fine.”

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




quote:

My favorite one was a guy claiming he was in the cyber security field and (paraphrased): “I don’t see any technical issues here because it only steals your passwords if you’re a pirate. Ethical issues yes, but not technical. Everything is fine.”

:stare:

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Everything is :tif:

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul
Ban computers imo we’ll all be better off

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




andrew smash posted:

Ban computers imo we’ll all be better off

Unironically agreed

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

BAKA BAKA
That would actually be an interesting legal challenge. Pirate a copy in a state that says EULAs are as legally binding as a crayon contract on a beer stained bar napkin, pirate the poo poo out of the software, then sue them the second the passwords are uploaded for CFAA violations, what whatever state level computer crimes you can find.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Who cares about America, that company fslabs seems to be in the EU so there are much stricter laws over there

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


CLAM DOWN posted:

Who cares about America, that company fslabs seems to be in the EU so there are much stricter laws over there

The founder of the company lives in Athens, apparently

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

BAKA BAKA

CLAM DOWN posted:

Who cares about America, that company fslabs seems to be in the EU so there are much stricter laws over there

Good point, the EU is gonna rip him a new rear end in a top hat as soon as the legal stuff gets started over there.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
This discussion is pretty nice.

https://twitter.com/taviso/status/965632516462821377



anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
"actually, trivial RCEs are outside the scope of this arbitrary threat model, so you can't say that antivirus does more harm than good"

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

I'm surprised that Vess is not in this conversation.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
Ars Technica picked up the FSLabs debacle

apseudonym
Feb 25, 2011


I yearn for the day the AV industry dies in the fire it so deserves.

Alpha Mayo
Jan 15, 2007
hi how are you?
there was this racist piece of shit in your av so I fixed it
you're welcome
pay it forward~
why are they stealing username/passwords even if the copy is Pirated? What does that have to do with piracy, other than maybe logging in as the pirates accounts at various places to try to learn exactly who they are, which is highly illegal?

also lol that they send the passwords over HTTP.

Double Punctuation
Dec 30, 2009

Ships were made for sinking;
Whiskey made for drinking;
If we were made of cellophane
We'd all get stinking drunk much faster!

Alpha Mayo posted:

…other than maybe logging in as the pirates accounts at various places to try to learn exactly who they are, which is highly illegal?

So stealing passwords isn’t already highly illegal?

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


It's double illegal, and it will land you in prison jail.

Double Punctuation
Dec 30, 2009

Ships were made for sinking;
Whiskey made for drinking;
If we were made of cellophane
We'd all get stinking drunk much faster!

Cup Runneth Over posted:

It's double illegal, and it will land you in prison jail.

You know, the port’s gone crazy, and it ain’t safe on the strip.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!

:lol: it was picked up on Ars, Motherboard/Vice, and Guru3D. I’m not sure about Guru3D but the other two have tons of readers. Do people still use Guru3D for GPU reviews?

Anyway they posted another update to come clean about what they did.

https://forums.flightsimlabs.com/index.php?/announcement/11-a320-x-drm-what-happened/

Honestly if they would have communicated that at the beginning they might not have pissed off so many people but they didn’t and they have. They’ve flat out admitted to using illegal means to obtain PII of alleged pirates, which they flat out said has helped them build a case against said alleged pirates or help them combat it.

I hope they get hosed now that more “mainstream” media is picking this up. I imagine they knew how relatively small their community was and was just hoping for it to all blow over.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Unless you are the police and have an individual suspected of serious crime, collecting PII at that level is 100% indefensible.

I hope they get sued out of existence and the law reams their asses so hard they'll need a donut pillow to sit on for the rest of their lives.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Who they think they are:



Who they actually are:

Sefal
Nov 8, 2011
Fun Shoe
I can't believe a company actually put malware in their product :psyboom:

mewse
May 2, 2006

Sefal posted:

I can't believe a company actually put malware in their product :psyboom:

Salon.com has put cryptominers in their homepage I'm not sure why you disbelieve

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Sefal posted:

I can't believe a company actually put malware in their product :psyboom:

Let me introduce you to the Sony Rootkit Scandal

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal

Sefal
Nov 8, 2011
Fun Shoe
Holy poo poo.

Stanley Pain
Jun 16, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

I'm really glad this is blowing up in their face and I truly hope it hurts them in the long run.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Boris Galerkin posted:

:lol: it was picked up on Ars, Motherboard/Vice, and Guru3D. I’m not sure about Guru3D but the other two have tons of readers. Do people still use Guru3D for GPU reviews?

Anyway they posted another update to come clean about what they did.

https://forums.flightsimlabs.com/index.php?/announcement/11-a320-x-drm-what-happened/

Honestly if they would have communicated that at the beginning they might not have pissed off so many people but they didn’t and they have. They’ve flat out admitted to using illegal means to obtain PII of alleged pirates, which they flat out said has helped them build a case against said alleged pirates or help them combat it.

I hope they get hosed now that more “mainstream” media is picking this up. I imagine they knew how relatively small their community was and was just hoping for it to all blow over.

"apologize that we offended you"

:rolleyes:

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Sefal posted:

I can't believe a company actually put malware in their product :psyboom:

Please tell me you're being sarcastic haha

Sefal
Nov 8, 2011
Fun Shoe

CLAM DOWN posted:

Please tell me you're being sarcastic haha

I wish.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Sefal posted:

I wish.

Why are you surprised at this point? This wasn’t the first or even the biggest, just maybe the nerdiest.

Sefal
Nov 8, 2011
Fun Shoe
I hadn't heard of companies selling software with malware hidden to consumers before.

The sony rootkit was also something i hadn't heard of before, or forgot.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Sefal posted:

I hadn't heard of companies selling software with malware hidden to consumers before.

The sony rootkit was also something i hadn't heard of before, or forgot.

This isn't a dig at you but....

It blows my mind that someone could be on the nerd forums and specifically a thread about infosec and had not heard of this kind of poo poo.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




This very post of mine has a bitcoin miner embedded in it, you're all hosed now

ChubbyThePhat
Dec 22, 2006

Who nico nico needs anyone else
Maybe now you'll be able to afford the Canadian internet and wireless prices to post from home rather than Tim Horton's across the street.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



ChubbyThePhat posted:

Maybe now you'll be able to afford the Canadian internet and wireless prices to post from home rather than Tim Horton's across the street.

poo poo, maybe he can upgrade to a bigger cardboard box, or a tarp or something given the housing market where he lives.

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Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
In totally unrelated news, thanks Bitcoin!

https://blog.redlock.io/cryptojacking-tesla

quote:

A few months ago, the RedLock Cloud Security Intelligence (CSI) team found hundreds of Kubernetes administration consoles accessible over the internet without any password protection.

A couple of the instances belonged to Aviva, a British multinational insurance company, and Gemalto, the world’s largest manufacturer of SIM cards. Within these consoles, access credentials to these organizations’ Amazon Web Services (AWS) and Microsoft Azure environments were exposed. Upon further investigation, the team determined that hackers had secretly infiltrated these organizations’ public cloud environments and were using the compute instances to mine cryptocurrencies (refer to Cloud Security Trends - October 2017 report).

[...]

The Latest Victim: Tesla

New research from the RedLock CSI team revealed that the latest victim of cryptojacking is Tesla. While the attack was similar to the ones at Aviva and Gemalto, there were some notable differences. The hackers had infiltrated Tesla’s Kubernetes console which was not password protected. Within one Kubernetes pod, access credentials were exposed to Tesla’s AWS environment which contained an Amazon S3 (Amazon Simple Storage Service) bucket that had sensitive data such as telemetry.

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