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AHH FUGH posted:I just have no idea how to win these games. I'm not tilting or raging at all, I'm warding, I'm positioning decently and I can only find a few things every game I can impove on (ie should flash that Gragas ult or something) but every game my team gets stomped, not just me. yeah that's the main problem can't fix stupid people
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AHH FUGH posted:I just have no idea how to win these games. I'm not tilting or raging at all, I'm warding, I'm positioning decently and I can only find a few things every game I can impove on (ie should flash that Gragas ult or something) but every game my team gets stomped, not just me. If you can't find things in your play to improve on then your probably not looking hard enough, even top players make mistakes, try recording games and spot when you could of roamed, made a call to your team to go somewhere, danger pinged someone for going too far out of ward vision, taken objectives or enemy jungle, gotten a lot of extra farm for yourself or avoided a death yourself.
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Mar 17, 2016 21:29
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:If you can't find things in your play to improve on then your probably not looking hard enough, even top players make mistakes, try recording games and spot when you could of roamed, made a call to your team to go somewhere, danger pinged someone for going too far out of ward vision, taken objectives or enemy jungle, gotten a lot of extra farm for yourself or avoided a death yourself. the problem lies with, if you literally have a perfectly mechanically played game, you can still lose the game completely because the rest of your team are a bunch of potatoes that wont listen to what you say and will continually insist "dude i can play kat against yas no prob bro"
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Mar 17, 2016 21:34
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Sperglord Firecock posted:the problem lies with, if you literally have a perfectly mechanically played game, you can still lose the game completely because the rest of your team are a bunch of potatoes that wont listen to what you say and will continually insist "dude i can play kat against yas no prob bro" Alright but you won't have a perfectly mechanically played game.
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Mar 17, 2016 21:35
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Prokhor posted:Alright but you won't have a perfectly mechanically played game. no one will i am content to wallow in my acceptance that my team is awful even if i play very well
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Mar 17, 2016 21:36
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I just won a game as nasus where I could easily 1v3, carrying my pathetic teammates. All of you are wrong, you can win every game if you just play better noobs.
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Mar 17, 2016 21:38
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Speaking of Nasus ... Is he a good choice for learning toplane? He always seems to become a nigh-unkillable shitlord if you leave him alone for like even 10 minutes and the Q stacking aspect seems to make last-hitting under tower way easier.
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Mar 17, 2016 21:43
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There are a slew of champions that kick the unholy poo poo out of him in lane but you can learn a lot about csing under tower and playing passively til you hit a breakpoint where you can fight back
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Mar 17, 2016 21:49
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victorisham posted:Speaking of Nasus ... Is he a good choice for learning toplane? He always seems to become a nigh-unkillable shitlord if you leave him alone for like even 10 minutes and the Q stacking aspect seems to make last-hitting under tower way easier. Yes, learn him. He's a beast as long as you manage to Q stack. You should be able to get 400 stacks by 20 minutes and as long as you get that you're gold. Check http://champion.gg/champion/Nasus for the highest win % build and split push the whole game. If the enemy leaves lane, ping MIA and farm away.
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Mar 17, 2016 21:51
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lucifirius posted:Yes, learn him. He's a beast as long as you manage to Q stack. You should be able to get 400 stacks by 20 minutes and as long as you get that you're gold. Check http://champion.gg/champion/Nasus for the highest win % build and split push the whole game. If the enemy leaves lane, ping MIA and farm away. Importantly he will teach you to mute your teammates. You can ping 100 times and say it in chat, but the roaming top WILL kill your mid, and you WILL get yelled at. Just don't worry about it and keep on getting those stacks. A full wave + cannon is 24 damage, basically a pickaxe advantage!
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victorisham posted:Speaking of Nasus ... Is he a good choice for learning toplane? He always seems to become a nigh-unkillable shitlord if you leave him alone for like even 10 minutes and the Q stacking aspect seems to make last-hitting under tower way easier. Nasus is great if you have a passive safe playstyle. In this match I was against malphite, a wonderful matchup for nasus especially if he tries to out-tank you. Malp's moves are dangerous but with Grasp of Undying and your passive you can win trades so easily by just doing e-auto-q, and just by going even in lane you win thanks to stacks. For me the difficulty is knowing when you give up farm to go join up and fight with your team. Around the time you have about 300 stacks is usually when dragon fights begin in earnest so try that? Is he good in general in toplane? Well that's hard to say, against any ranged champ he struggles a lot unless you can do decent wave control. That said, as long as you build The One True Nasus Build (tank, boots, triforce), you will end up becoming pretty hard to kill and able to stomp squishies quickly with the armor shred on e. If you get pitted against someone truly obnoxious like gnar/teemo/ranged assholes you have to just try a bunch of poo poo to see what works, I like the tactic of going ham at low level to scare them back a bit so I don't get bullied too hard, but pulling the wave right to the tower's edge is good too. Spudalicious fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Mar 17, 2016 |
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I'm sure it varies a ton based on the level at which you're playing, but where I play ATM (mid-silver) Darius is pretty much the only opponent I truly fear, along with maybe Jax. Aside from those, even the champions that "counter" Nasus can usually be handled by playing very conservatively and patiently, letting them push you up to tower and working your way up to more and more tank items. You might fall behind on stacks but you can catch up later. Darius is just the lovely fun police though and I pretty much ban him whenever I can if I know I'm going to be taking Nasus top. vvv I like to think I've gotten better about that and now know that, e.g., I should shove and start wrecking towers anytime my opponent leaves lane, once I've got some good stacks and a Sheen item. This said, there is also a substantial responsibility on the part of the team to not force/get picked into a lovely 4v5 and lose while the Nasus (or any splitpusher really) is doing that. JerryLee fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Mar 17, 2016 |
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Mar 17, 2016 22:03
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If you learn Nasus you really need to learn when you should take towers and do stuff because I can't tell you how many games I have been in that were won or lost off the back of the fact that the top lane Nasus just froze top lane forever and lost his team the game.
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Mar 17, 2016 22:04
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rabidsquid posted:If you learn Nasus you really need to learn when you should take towers and do stuff because I can't tell you how many games I have been in that were won or lost off the back of the fact that the top lane Nasus just froze top lane forever and lost his team the game. Having a nasus with like five hundred stacks refuse to participate in teamfights because "I need to farm my Q, guys" is super infuriating. I think my won that game, and it was still really unsatisfying, especially because it validated the idea that our Nasus was doing the right thing.
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Mar 17, 2016 22:09
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rabidsquid posted:If you learn Nasus you really need to learn when you should take towers and do stuff because I can't tell you how many games I have been in that were won or lost off the back of the fact that the top lane Nasus just froze top lane forever and lost his team the game. I had this happen with a Wukong last night who insisted that going to "manage side waves" that were a minute out from damaging a T2 tower was the ideal play over taking Baron when we had five people in front of Baron pit after picking off their ADC. Of course, we lost the ensuing 4v4, they took Baron, and won the game while Wukong blamed me and my bad Baron call.
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Mar 17, 2016 22:16
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Nasus is easily kited and killed in late game team fights, he's a midgame split pushing champ.
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Sperglord Firecock posted:the problem lies with, if you literally have a perfectly mechanically played game, you can still lose the game completely because the rest of your team are a bunch of potatoes that wont listen to what you say and will continually insist "dude i can play kat against yas no prob bro" Right, but playing better can swing the games that are only unfavourable and not unwinnable. Throwing up your hands and saying "Team too heavy, why try" is stupid.
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Mar 17, 2016 22:26
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henkman posted:Nasus is easily kited and killed in late game team fights, he's a midgame split pushing champ. yeah people don't get this enough
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Mar 17, 2016 22:30
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which is also why zzrot is super good on nasus.
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SaberToothedPie posted:which is also why zzrot is super good on nasus. i can't think of a single non-adc or assassin champ that wouldn't want to get zzrot the sheer fact that i see so many tanky teammates not take it baffles me
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Mar 17, 2016 22:37
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Zz'rot isn't good for resists unless the MR has value for you.
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Mar 17, 2016 22:39
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Here in Japan the new thing is top and mid both rush ZZrot portals first item with CDR boots on EVERY CHAMPION It's like the cold war, if you don't build it first, the other laner will and you WILL lose your turret, guaranteed.
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Mar 17, 2016 22:42
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How do they lane versus you with no combat stats tho
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Mar 17, 2016 22:54
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First pick Gragas is really nerve wracking because they're either going to be complete garbage or one of the eleven Gragas savants in existence that will completely shitwreck your team
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Mar 17, 2016 23:00
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rabidsquid posted:How do they lane versus you with no combat stats tho Resists are combat stats, they're just not offensive combat stats.
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Mar 17, 2016 23:02
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Against almost every champ in every lane half the stats on a Zz'rot are totally wasted during laning.
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Magres posted:First pick Gragas is really nerve wracking because they're either going to be complete garbage or one of the eleven Gragas savants in existence that will completely shitwreck your team This doesn't ring true for me at all, Gragas is a super-popular and very good jungler at the moment, with good ganks, engage, and disengage. He's not someone that requires a PHD to play. Junglers that I think of that fit that description better:
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Mar 17, 2016 23:06
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Playing against a really good Eve who just snowballs is incredibly frustrating. Playing against a bad one is funny
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Sperglord Firecock posted:the problem lies with, if you literally have a perfectly mechanically played game, you can still lose the game completely because the rest of your team are a bunch of potatoes that wont listen to what you say and will continually insist "dude i can play kat against yas no prob bro" this is not true at the level you play at (or most/all of us)
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Gragas is pretty drat easy to play with the sole exception of his ultimate, which can really make or break a teamfight, kinda like Janna's ult. I mean yeah a guy that fucks that up on the regular is annoying but you still have a really good peeling guy with his belly bump (which is honestly the best thing about his kit, sorry ya'll)
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Mar 17, 2016 23:16
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Body slam is one of those fun skills that you can flash during and really wreck people who didn't expect the range. I finally pulled off that Froggen flash Kassadin ult last night and that was really good in the same way 
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Sperglord Firecock posted:the problem lies with, if you literally have a perfectly mechanically played game, you can still lose the game completely because the rest of your team are a bunch of potatoes that wont listen to what you say and will continually insist "dude i can play kat against yas no prob bro" You hosed up because nobody is going to read past "if you literally have a perfectly mechanically game" and then they'll all fall over themselves to point out that ACTUALLY you're not as good as you think you are.
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Mar 17, 2016 23:23
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It's more that no one in this thread is going to play perfect mechanically so that fantasy example will never exist
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rabidsquid posted:Body slam is one of those fun skills that you can flash during and really wreck people who didn't expect the range. I finally pulled off that Froggen flash Kassadin ult last night and that was really good in the same way The coolest one is with Shen, where you can taunt one person and then flash onto someone else to literally double the spell (and extend the range) with the flash. (an extremely cool and attractive person will remember who did this in a pro game fairly recently and reply to this post with the clip)
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kingcobweb posted:This doesn't ring true for me at all, Gragas is a super-popular and very good jungler at the moment, with good ganks, engage, and disengage. He's not someone that requires a PHD to play. poo poo you're right. I'm behind the times!
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henkman posted:It's more that no one in this thread is going to play perfect mechanically so that fantasy example will never exist If that's all you get out of that statement then you're completely missing the point.
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No, I understand it. It's just a bad reply to a post saying that the only thing you can control is yourself so you're better off focusing on and analyzing your own play
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After the game, no one cares who won. Seriously. It's like, a difference of 20LP and if you're a competitive person, you'll probably play hundreds more this season. So saying, "I couldn't win because [anything about other people]" is just masturbatory. Whether people are posting it in the thread, telling their team about it next game, or messaging someone in-game, it's pretty much write-only. That game doesn't matter any more, more on. What does matter is whether you took away anything that you could do better.
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Mar 17, 2016 23:41
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Even pro players don't have mechanically perfect games so there is always gently caress ups you made that you can improve on
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Lady Naga posted:If that's all you get out of that statement then you're completely missing the point. When you lose a game of League of Legends, you have two options: 1) You can say "poo poo, here are the places where I hosed up, if I had played better at those situations then probably the game would have been winnable" c) You can say "My team was full of feeders, they're too heavy and I can't carry them." What benefit do you get out of option C? You can't control your teammates. Even if you run with four other people every game, sometimes your teammates are just gonna feed. If you take every game that you lose and look for moments where you misplayed, you'll be making the wrong choice far less often than if you blame your teammates and you'll improve a lot faster.
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