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Johnny Aztec posted:The Snarl doesn't kill you, it UNMAKES you. It doesn't matter if you were level 1 or level 30. I'm level 31
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I'm level 31 I'm guessing you got that much XP from grinding pigs?
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Not quite, from what we've been told the reason the world works as a Snarl prison is that the gods are re-weaving the stands of reality from world 1 into new shapes each time, not creating it fresh from three quiddities.
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Apr 30, 2021 01:27
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I just assume the Snarl is like the Lady of Pain: your stats mean jack and poo poo against the embodiment of Rule 0.
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Apr 30, 2021 01:36
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Strawberry Pyramid posted:I just assume the Snarl is like the Lady of Pain: your stats mean jack and poo poo against the embodiment of Rule 0.
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Apr 30, 2021 02:04
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fool of sound posted:Not quite, from what we've been told the reason the world works as a Snarl prison is that the gods are re-weaving the stands of reality from world 1 into new shapes each time, not creating it fresh from three quiddities. No, it's 3 colors. That's why they have to remake it so much.
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Apr 30, 2021 02:18
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Wasn't it theorized that mortals would be more resistant to the Snarl as three colour beings than the gods are?
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Apr 30, 2021 02:34
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Colonel Cool posted:Wasn't it theorized that mortals would be more resistant to the Snarl as three colour beings than the gods are? If that were true the gods raised from 3 colour mortals should have an advantage compared to the 1 colour gods.
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Apr 30, 2021 02:37
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No, all of the gods only have one color. Those adopted by existing pantheons got that pantheon's color, the Dark One got a new one. All gods are 1 color beings.
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Apr 30, 2021 02:41
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wdarkk posted:No, it's 3 colors. That's why they have to remake it so much. Oh yeah you're right, I was misremembering from one of the crayon comics.
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Apr 30, 2021 02:41
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Strawberry Pyramid posted:I just assume the Snarl is like the Lady of Pain: your stats mean jack and poo poo against the embodiment of Rule 0. I assume the Snarl doesn't really follow D&D rules in the first place, since the original world wasn't necessarily D&D-based.
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Apr 30, 2021 02:48
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According to Shojo's story, the strands of reality weren't created by the gods in the first place. They took pre-existing strands of reality and used their power and quiddities to shape those threads together and build a world on top of them. The threads themselves aren't divine creations. The gods used their powers to shape and weave those threads into a world, and there are bits and pieces of three-color divine creations holding it together in that shape to keep it from unraveling, but the threads themselves weren't created by any of the four pantheons and presumably aren't subject to the "more colors = better" rule. I'm guessing that when the Snarl breaks free, the threads of reality themselves are undamaged - but it tears through the seams and gaps between those threads and rips apart the divinely-created three-color world holding those threads together, allowing the threads to unravel and come apart.
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Apr 30, 2021 02:51
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Silver2195 posted:I assume the Snarl doesn't really follow D&D rules in the first place, since the original world wasn't necessarily D&D-based. It probably was? The implication seems to be more that they're trying out different settings with the same relative underlying rules. Mostly because they imply the outer planes are contiguous (since they have to mindwipe the inhabitants every reset) so there are always alignment planes, Modrons etc hanging around. That's at least my interpretation of what they're doing but  . It doesn't really matter too much for the sake of the story though.
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Vizuyos posted:According to Shojo's story, the strands of reality weren't created by the gods in the first place. They took pre-existing strands of reality and used their power and quiddities to shape those threads together and build a world on top of them. This is almost exactly the same as many real-world creation myths: Greek, Hindu, and to a lesser extent Judeo-Christianity. There was chaos, then gods came and shaped it.
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Apr 30, 2021 05:26
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Those sentient theater snacks most likely had stats, and I'll be disappointed if any world containing a laser snail isn't easily envisioned as a combat-heavy ttrpg.
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I just put something together. The reason there are so many ill-thought out monster races that have little more than one stat block and one paragraph of information going on for them is because of Fenrir's short attention span, isn't it? God drat it, Fenrir. What an elegant way to work into the setting all those ill thought out monster races that Wizards of the Coast crapped out to fill monster manual after monster manual.
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Good discussion, important topic and as far as one liners go that one is above average. Bravo.
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Apr 30, 2021 15:24
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That's some good meta commentary.
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Apr 30, 2021 15:26
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Is it just me or was Durkon's accent a little thicker than usual this time?
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God drat, Durkon. Go straight for the jugular. You sure you're not still a vampire?
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ConfusedUs posted:God drat, Durkon. Go straight for the jugular. You sure you're not still a vampire? The learning went both ways.
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Apr 30, 2021 15:33
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ConfusedUs posted:God drat, Durkon. Go straight for the jugular. You sure you're not still a vampire? He may no longer be a vampire, but he did experience having one control his body and interrogate him. Some of that must have rubbed off. Edit: gently caress, bitten
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Clarste posted:Is it just me or was Durkon's accent a little thicker than usual this time? The great thing about telepathy is that it works regardless of any language, meaning you can talk in whatever accent and still be understood
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Apr 30, 2021 15:46
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Clarste posted:Is it just me or was Durkon's accent a little thicker than usual this time? Yeah, I had a tough time parsing out what he was saying there in the middle.
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Apr 30, 2021 15:50
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It's about frickin' time that the Order realizes that Durkon was the real hero in their midst all along. Roy reads me as kinda salty about being upstaged, because he sure as hell has no grounds to be salty at Durkon for his own letting a vampire run around in his body for a week. Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Apr 30, 2021 |
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Apr 30, 2021 15:53
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:It's about frickin' time that the Order realizes that Durkon was the real hero in their midst all along. Hard not to be a little salty when you’re getting your moral center beaten with a stick of your own making, even if it’s justifiably so, we all get defensive sometimes.
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Apr 30, 2021 16:32
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It's kind of nice that the characters are being forced to confront the hosed up morality of a hack and slash RPG, though didn't Roy already have this epiphany in one of the prequel books?
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Defensiveness is a pretty common reaction when someone's flaws are pointed out. Roy's getting over it pretty quick if the final panel is any indication.ConfusedUs posted:God drat, Durkon. Go straight for the jugular. You sure you're not still a vampire? 
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Random Stranger posted:It's kind of nice that the characters are being forced to confront the hosed up morality of a hack and slash RPG, though didn't Roy already have this epiphany in one of the prequel books? In Book 0, he stopped his pre-Order party from slaughtering a bunch of orcs because he realized they were trying to get into a concert rather than being stereotypical evil humanoids. Durkon was there too.
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Random Stranger posted:It's kind of nice that the characters are being forced to confront the hosed up morality of a hack and slash RPG, though didn't Roy already have this epiphany in one of the prequel books? Gwyneth Palpate posted:In Book 0, he stopped his pre-Order party from slaughtering a bunch of orcs because he realized they were trying to get into a concert rather than being stereotypical evil humanoids. Durkon was there too. On the Origin of PCs, page 46 posted:rear end in a top hat Party Member #1: I don't understand, Ray. Roy is absolutely the right person for Durkon to be having this conversation with right now.
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Man, if there were somebody sneakily overseeing the Order right now who explicitly sympathized with the plight of monster races and thought that the Order was just a bunch of worthless meatheads who were more likely to ruin anything than do any good, it'd be real convenient if they could specifically listen in on this conversation. Although I also have my doubts about whether Redcloak would sympathize at all with trolls being similarly oppressed to goblins. He's pretty single-minded and went into that weird tirade about orcs. We've also seen the Order in the comic proper be willing to negotiate with groups they were ordinarily enemies with before. https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0093.html Or perhaps more relevantly https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0553.html
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SlothfulCobra posted:Man, if there were somebody sneakily overseeing the Order right now who explicitly sympathized with the plight of monster races and thought that the Order was just a bunch of worthless meatheads who were more likely to ruin anything than do any good, it'd be real convenient if they could specifically listen in on this conversation. Don't worry, they went telepathic just so it couldn't be overheard. 
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SlothfulCobra posted:We've also seen the Order in the comic proper be willing to negotiate with groups they were ordinarily enemies with before. 552 is also a good example. "If you start zapping them we won't be able to talk at all!"
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The real thing about it is, Roy assumed he understood the motivations of the globins. i.e. serve Xykon. That's the difference between them and the prequel orcs, once he can ascribe a flat villainous motive to enemies, he's happy to murder. I'm trying to mentally go through everyone sentient roy has killed, not merely beaten into submission, and not counting anyone finished off by belkar. *Goblins and ogres from the Durokan's dungeon *Some of the bandits *Several more ogres, including one with a spiked chain *Numerous hobgoblins *Possibly some ninja, but it happens of screen I think *Slaver bug people
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Also a fuckton of Tarquin's soldiers, and some vampires.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Although I also have my doubts about whether Redcloak would sympathize at all with trolls being similarly oppressed to goblins. He's pretty single-minded and went into that weird tirade about orcs. I dunno though, he started out as a goblin supremacist who was willing to let hobgoblins die for laughs, and he eventually had that epiphany that hobgoblin lives mattered and that he should stop being racist in that sense. It doesn't seem implausible that he could get there about other humanoid races as well.
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Oona and Right-eye both have called him out on being more concerned with the Plan succeeding than any actual goblins, as well. I don't think Redcloak will end up being the savior as which he portrays himself. I'm banking on Jirix coming back in a big way at some point.
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