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Iron Squid
Nov 23, 2005

by Ozmaugh
And, uh...what do control arms do? I have a *vague* idea of what they do.

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EightBit
Jan 7, 2006
I spent money on this line of text just to make the "Stupid Newbie" go away.

Philip J Fry posted:

The most functional long-arms connect at a custom belly skid, but some cheaper versions use drop brackets that attach to the stock points.

Yeah, I would avoid doing "long" arms that use drop brackets. They can't be much longer than stock like that, so why waste the money?

owls or something
Jul 7, 2003

When I make a slow turn the steering wheel starts to shake. What would cause this?

NotYella
Nov 27, 2002
drunk jackass

ornery owl posted:

When I make a slow turn the steering wheel starts to shake. What would cause this?

Front differential not unlocking, maybe? Try putting it in 4WD and backing up, then 2WD again and see if it's still happening.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Iron Squid posted:

And, uh...what do control arms do? I have a *vague* idea of what they do.
In a live-axle design like a coil-sprung Wrangler or XJ, they act as the pivot arms between the axle and the chassis.

Here you can see an aftermarket long arm being offered up. You can also see where they've removed the original chassis mount and added a new one towards the rear.

Iron Squid
Nov 23, 2005

by Ozmaugh

InitialDave posted:

In a live-axle design like a coil-sprung Wrangler or XJ, they act as the pivot arms between the axle and the chassis.

Here you can see an aftermarket long arm being offered up. You can also see where they've removed the original chassis mount and added a new one towards the rear.



So is it fair to say that the control arms are what links the axel together with the rest of the vehicle?

Philip J Fry
Apr 25, 2007

go outside and have a blast
That and the track bar. The arms keep the axle's castor and pinion angle lined up. The longer the arms, the more radius travel the axle will have by decreasing the rate of working angle. The shorter the arms, the 'faster' the angle will change under flex and articulation. The track bar keeps everything lined up horizontally, as coils just float on isolator posts on the body as opposed to being bolted at two points like leafs.

e: That looks like the TnT Customs Y-link setup which I plan on getting here in a few weeks (actually it's Rough Country's knock-off). TnT's is the only one I've seen that offers an actual skidplate that protects worth a drat (trans and t-case) instead of being some simple crossmember with arm mounts. Plus it gives you an extra inch of ground clearance.

Philip J Fry fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Jun 3, 2011

EightBit
Jan 7, 2006
I spent money on this line of text just to make the "Stupid Newbie" go away.
I worry about the little bit of rust I have under my Jeep, then someone posts a photo where their poo poo is much worse off and I feel better.

Edit: I spell gud

EightBit fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Jun 3, 2011

Sandbagger SA
Aug 12, 2003

Giant Thighs.
Painted Threads.
Just Off the Highway.

EightBit posted:

I worry about the little bit of rust I have under my Jeep, then someone posts a photo where their poo poo is much worse off and I feel better.

Edit: I spell gud

Oh you saw my Willys thread?

owls or something
Jul 7, 2003

NotYella posted:

Front differential not unlocking, maybe? Try putting it in 4WD and backing up, then 2WD again and see if it's still happening.

Yeah, is isn't that. I meant what sort of broken or worn part would cause this.

EightBit
Jan 7, 2006
I spent money on this line of text just to make the "Stupid Newbie" go away.

ornery owl posted:

Yeah, is isn't that. I meant what sort of broken or worn part would cause this.

Are you sure you aren't rubbing the tires on anything? Only other thing I can think of is the two little universal joints in the steering knuckles. I need to do mine badly as they cause a bit of this, but :10bux: and :effort:

CatBus
May 12, 2001

Who wants a mustache ride?

ornery owl posted:

Yeah, is isn't that. I meant what sort of broken or worn part would cause this.

Bad axle ujoints can definitely cause this.

Sandbagger SA
Aug 12, 2003

Giant Thighs.
Painted Threads.
Just Off the Highway.
I want to just buy a couple of these

http://www.jcwhitney.com/snap-repair-kit-for-soft-tops/p2002697.jcwx?filterid=c16032d9737y1948j1

and replace the zippers in my soft top. What do you guys think?

ThinkFear
Sep 15, 2007

I haven't seen a YJ soft top up close in a while, the zippers for the windows, right? I can't imagine snaps working nearly as well as zippers. Plenty of people swear by graphite for lubing zippers. Perhaps give that a try instead?

Iron Squid
Nov 23, 2005

by Ozmaugh
Are there any websites that have drawings or clearly labelled photos of the inner workings of Jeeps?

Sandbagger SA
Aug 12, 2003

Giant Thighs.
Painted Threads.
Just Off the Highway.

ThinkFear posted:

I haven't seen a YJ soft top up close in a while, the zippers for the windows, right? I can't imagine snaps working nearly as well as zippers. Plenty of people swear by graphite for lubing zippers. Perhaps give that a try instead?

my zippers broke because they are some kind of cheap aluminum and have plastic teeth. They lose teeth all the time and one of them fell apart. I can't imagine snaps failing nearly as bad as that.

also, I'm thinking about adding snaps to hold the windows down to the body (the weatherstrip/channel thing doesnt work that great under wind) and to replace the worn velcro bits around the door.

ThinkFear
Sep 15, 2007

Iron Squid posted:

Are there any websites that have drawings or clearly labelled photos of the inner workings of Jeeps?
Service manual is the way to go, here. A little light on pictures, but it'll show you how to do just about any repair you need to do.

commissargribb posted:

my zippers broke because they are some kind of cheap aluminum and have plastic teeth. They lose teeth all the time and one of them fell apart. I can't imagine snaps failing nearly as bad as that.

also, I'm thinking about adding snaps to hold the windows down to the body (the weatherstrip/channel thing doesnt work that great under wind) and to replace the worn velcro bits around the door.
Is there enough material overlap to use snaps? I'd think the wind would blow in between the snaps along with water, as well. Though, as I said, I don't have a YJ top to look at. Quality zippers and track (?) are pretty cheap. Maybe thats a good route to go? Though I'd imagine you'd need a pretty heavy duty sewing machine. Post some pictures if you try the snaps though. I'd like to see how it works out.

Slow is Fast
Dec 25, 2006

Iron Squid posted:

Are there any websites that have drawings or clearly labelled photos of the inner workings of Jeeps?

Here you go: http://www.greatlakesxj.com/tech.html

Go nuts reading until your eyes bleed. There certainly is enough there to do it.

Sandbagger SA
Aug 12, 2003

Giant Thighs.
Painted Threads.
Just Off the Highway.

ThinkFear posted:

Service manual is the way to go, here. A little light on pictures, but it'll show you how to do just about any repair you need to do.

Is there enough material overlap to use snaps? I'd think the wind would blow in between the snaps along with water, as well. Though, as I said, I don't have a YJ top to look at. Quality zippers and track (?) are pretty cheap. Maybe thats a good route to go? Though I'd imagine you'd need a pretty heavy duty sewing machine. Post some pictures if you try the snaps though. I'd like to see how it works out.

to be technical, I have an old model Bestop Supertop. The passenger side window is the one that is most messed up. The tension rod that runs parallel to the rollbar tends to put a lot of stress on one part of the zipper which causes it to split.

I'll get some pics of what I'm trying to do.

Slow is Fast
Dec 25, 2006


Cyl 1-3


Cyl 4-6











Welp. I bought the worlds most abused Jeep.

Slow is Fast
Dec 25, 2006

In reference to the pics above, after talking it over with my father and looking at all the parts and stuff, We've come to a few conclusion.

The fluid in the cylinders is my excessive PB Blaster that I was spraying everywhere to ensure no bolts got stuck. I wasn't sure if it was coolant or not.

On the drivers side of the head (right in the pictures), the coolant passages are clogged solid. The troubling thing is, the headgasket is solid. I haven't done my full fledged research on everything, but that may or may not be an issue.

I'm trying to understand what failed and why. The headgasket looked okay and there seemed to be little cross contamination.

There was that one valve area at picture #5 that looks pretty burnt up.

Also, the pistons in the block have a bit of play. You can wiggle them in the block to an estimated 1mm or so. That and the block has no crosshatching anymore.

Trying to figure out what my best course of action is at this point. Have the heads checked by the machine shop and rebuild it with new gaskets, do the piston rings and bearings while I've got things apart, or go nuts and get some 258 parts to make a poor mans stroker. A bit too early to be starting a project, I should still be figuring out what's good and what isn't at this point, then go from there.

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
Well, went and picked up the '92 XJ Sport tonight. Had driven it around the neighborhood where the seller lived, since it wasn't plated at the time. No issues. Got to their place, topped off the oil w/ 10W-40, topped the coolant. Drove home - about 110mi, 70 of which are highway. Noticed that it was downshifting (its the AW4 auto trans) out of overdrive often around 65mph. Would jump in and out of OD. Got to a light about 5 min from home, it stalled when coming to a quick stop.

Great.

Rest of the way home, felt like it was dropping out of gear, or maybe shifting really sluggishly. Vibration. Pulled into the driveway - had a hot friction smell on popping the hood. A little like clutch or brakes, maybe. Whole way home, oil pressure was solid, temp was good. Transmission fluid level appeared to be good but the color was not the red I was expecting - was more like a clean motor oil color.

Hoping to pick up new AT fluid and flush it immediately tomorrow morning. Hope to god the trans isn't going. It only has 100k on it.

tl;dr: Bought a 92 XJ sport, 4.0L auto 4dr 4wd w/ 100k and clean carfax w/ maintenance records for $1500 - transmission is acting up :(

FreelanceSocialist fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Jun 4, 2011

Faerunner
Dec 31, 2007
Beats the 2000 XJ we bought with 181k miles on it for $2200 that needed a new engine at 184k miles. =\

Neon Machete
Dec 30, 2006
yes

Kibblesnbits posted:

Well, went and picked up the '92 XJ Sport tonight. Had driven it around the neighborhood where the seller lived, since it wasn't plated at the time. No issues. Got to their place, topped off the oil w/ 10W-40, topped the coolant. Drove home - about 110mi, 70 of which are highway. Noticed that it was downshifting (its the AW4 auto trans) out of overdrive often around 65mph. Would jump in and out of OD. Got to a light about 5 min from home, it stalled when coming to a quick stop.

Great.

Rest of the way home, felt like it was dropping out of gear, or maybe shifting really sluggishly. Vibration. Pulled into the driveway - had a hot friction smell on popping the hood. A little like clutch or brakes, maybe. Whole way home, oil pressure was solid, temp was good. Transmission fluid level appeared to be good but the color was not the red I was expecting - was more like a clean motor oil color.

Hoping to pick up new AT fluid and flush it immediately tomorrow morning. Hope to god the trans isn't going. It only has 100k on it.

tl;dr: Bought a 92 XJ sport, 4.0L auto 4dr 4wd w/ 100k and clean carfax w/ maintenance records for $1500 - transmission is acting up :(

I can't speak for the 92', but I know my 88' XJ with the 4.0L had lots of strange stalling issues that I ended up tracing back to torn or broken vacuum lines. That may be a good place to start - your transmission issues may also stem from the same place.

e: Also, as a side note, I have a 4.0L with 60k miles and a 5 speed tranny with 30k on it from a 93' 4WD Grand Cherokee that I'm getting rid of. If anyone is interested, let me know :)

Neon Machete fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Jun 4, 2011

Iron Squid
Nov 23, 2005

by Ozmaugh
How much difference is there, mechanically, between an XJ and a ZJ?

Molten Llama
Sep 20, 2006

Iron Squid posted:

How much difference is there, mechanically, between an XJ and a ZJ?

Not much initially. More in later model years, but even then loads of stuff still interchanges.

owls or something
Jul 7, 2003

EightBit posted:

Are you sure you aren't rubbing the tires on anything? Only other thing I can think of is the two little universal joints in the steering knuckles. I need to do mine badly as they cause a bit of this, but :10bux: and :effort:

I crawled under there today and it seems like my passenger side u-joint has some play to it when I push/pull on it. Driver's side seems ok. Today it started clicking real faintly which I understand is probably also from the bad u-joint.

Just one more thing to add to my to-do list I guess. It keeps getting more expensive and I am having a hard time keeping up with it financially.

- coil spacers, add-a-leaf lift & new shocks
- cracked exhaust manifold
- front end bushings
- cooling system flush
- O2 sensors [P0138]
- u-joints

Iron Squid
Nov 23, 2005

by Ozmaugh

Molten Llama posted:

Not much initially. More in later model years, but even then loads of stuff still interchanges.

The V8: Yay or nay?

PBCrunch
Jun 17, 2002

Lawrence Phillips Always #1 to Me
The old school Chrysler 5.xL V8s are solid but thirsty. The transmissions attached to them are wimpy.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

PBCrunch posted:

The old school Chrysler 5.xL V8s are solid but thirsty. The transmissions attached to them are wimpy.
I think he meant will a Grand Cherokee V8 fit in an XJ.

Iron Squid
Nov 23, 2005

by Ozmaugh

InitialDave posted:

I think he meant will a Grand Cherokee V8 fit in an XJ.

Actually, I was just wondering about the Grand Cherokee engine in general. I think an engine swap is out of my abilities at this point.

cory ad portas
Apr 28, 2008

THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER.


Here guys, have a picture of the best way to spend a Sunday. Also I got a hard top and new tires!

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
Welp, coolant/oil done. Partial AT flush done. New sparkplugs (wish I had gotten a picture of the ones I pulled - they were toast). Broke the heater valve. Replaced that. Fixed the issue with it not coming out of 4-high to 2 again. Diagnostic lights still not working on dash. Have to figure that one out - wasn't the fuse. Must've been the PO's installation of a aftermarket headunit that hosed something up. New liftgate struts are on order. Took it out on some relatively tame trails for babby's first 4WD. Transmission problems seem to have subsided.

So it begins.

Tossed_Salad_Man
Feb 19, 2002

You Gon' Get Raped.
Rock sliders FINALLY installed!

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Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Iron Squid posted:

Actually, I was just wondering about the Grand Cherokee engine in general. I think an engine swap is out of my abilities at this point.

Just be aware, owning an XJ is a lot like being in an abusive relationship. She'll hurt you, she'll treat you like poo poo but man, the first time you jump off paved roads it's like she's showing up on your door with roses and chocolates.

Iron Squid
Nov 23, 2005

by Ozmaugh

Rhyno posted:

Just be aware, owning an XJ is a lot like being in an abusive relationship. She'll hurt you, she'll treat you like poo poo but man, the first time you jump off paved roads it's like she's showing up on your door with roses and chocolates.

It'll be like every relationship I'm in.

So why are Jeeps RWD vehicles instead of FWD?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Iron Squid posted:

It'll be like every relationship I'm in.

So why are Jeeps RWD vehicles instead of FWD?
Because you haven't broken your c-clip rear axle yet.

EDIT: The short answer is that most of the mechanicals evolved from longitudinally-mounted RWD kit, and so the additional takoff is the one to the front, and this is what's switchable. Effectively they've just taken a slice out of a RWD transmission, taken an output to drive the front axle, and put an on/off switch on it.

InitialDave fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Jun 5, 2011

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Iron Squid posted:

So why are Jeeps RWD vehicles instead of FWD?

Back in the day, it was easier to conceive of a 4WD system from a RWD drivetrain. And 4WD is a big deal for offroading.

But you can always get the Compass!

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
Well damnit, the AW4 acted up again while cold. Looks like its headed to a mechanic on Wednesday for a once-over. Still haven't figured out what the PO did to kill all the idiot lights during the headunit install. The 4.0L HO engine has some balls, though.

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Sandbagger SA
Aug 12, 2003

Giant Thighs.
Painted Threads.
Just Off the Highway.

cory ad portas posted:

Also I got a hard top

Now is really the time to buy them - Everyone scrambles for them around December.

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