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sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Nessus posted:

I would assume 1918 is recognizing the Kaiser's claim because that was when Germany was stabbed in a direction of some dispute, losing War War 1.

Hapsburgs = Holy Roman Emperor, they fall in 1918

Is my guess

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CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


The Romanovs died in 1918.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

It's 467 and anyone saying otherwise is being cute.

nice obelisk idiot
May 18, 2023

funerary linens looking like dishrags

zoux posted:

It's 467 and anyone saying otherwise is being cute.
Really feeling myself today... made an insta post about how imperium is embodied and thus the Roman Empire is still around in the person of Karl von Habsburg

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Is that the anime Habsburg or a different one?

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

nice obelisk idiot posted:

Really feeling myself today... made an insta post about how imperium is embodied and thus the Roman Empire is still around in the person of Karl von Habsburg

https://twitter.com/EduardHabsburg/status/1687078363607748608

Yeah some real geniuses in that blood line

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Ferdinand Zvonimir is the only living Habsburg who deserves the time of day

Kylaer
Aug 4, 2007
I'm SURE walking around in a respirator at all times in an (even more) OPEN BIDENing society is definitely not a recipe for disaster and anyone that's not cool with getting harassed by CHUDs are cave dwellers. I've got good brain!

Saw this and thought I'd clicked on the Warhammer 40K thread :hmmorks:

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Kylaer posted:

Saw this and thought I'd clicked on the Warhammer 40K thread :hmmorks:

It proooobably shouldn't be that surprising that 40k didn't come up with that iconography. If anything it may be for the best that they make the most use of it mind.

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


zoux posted:

It's 467 and anyone saying otherwise is being cute.

I don't even think 467 is the most popular one among historians, 1453 is usually the conservative consensus pick.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Rome never fell, it's temporarily dormant. Any day now, any day...

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

NASCAR is the current manifestation of Rome.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


1214 is the real date Rome fell.

Continuous state up till then, state afterwards is a reformed successor.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Rome's still there, all hail Roberto Gualtieri

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Tulip posted:

I don't even think 467 is the most popular one among historians, 1453 is usually the conservative consensus pick.

Historians are the cutest of them all

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


Nessus posted:

I would assume 1918 is recognizing the Kaiser's claim because that was when Germany was stabbed in a direction of some dispute, losing War War 1.

the dolch is stoßed in the balls

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


FreudianSlippers posted:

NASCAR is the current manifestation of Rome.



Imagining chariots covered with sponsor stickers (pictures of Nero's face, probably).

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Is that a TV thing? They had ads in the arenas but I haven't heard mention of ones painted on the chariots. It would not surprise me in the slightest though. I don't think we have any surviving racing chariots.

Dante
Feb 8, 2003

I asked this thread for advice regarding seminal works on pirates, and got a great recommendation. I'll therefore try again even though it is still not strictly roman or ancient history;

Does anyone have a great book recommendation regarding the crusades? It can be about the crusades in general, or a specific one.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


I don't have one but you're completely on topic, in fact. The First Crusade was initiated and at least somewhat organized/directed by the Roman Empire. The Romans looked at it as recruiting western mercenaries to help reclaim Roman lands from the Turks. The crusaders ended up having their own ideas, but it did take a lot of pressure off the empire at a vulnerable time.

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2019

Arglebargle III posted:

Ideologically reliable guys who had completed an education in the artillery school were not going to be turned away in 1793, when it looked like the Republic was going to be crushed by the armies of the monarchies.

And that piece of paper paid off for the French right away, since Napoleon showed up at Toulon took one look at it and was like "If you let me put cannons on that hill we will immediately win the battle" and the political fart in charge was like "we do not have cannons" so Napoleon went off into the countryside and collected dozens of cannons and brought them back and the political generals were still like "no" and then finally they were like "okay you can take a few guys to that hill" and a few hours later the Allied fleet was evacuating the city under fire from that hill.

That first phrase would seem directly contradicted by all that *gesticulates wildly* in Corsica though :catstare:

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Dante posted:

I asked this thread for advice regarding seminal works on pirates, and got a great recommendation. I'll therefore try again even though it is still not strictly roman or ancient history;

Does anyone have a great book recommendation regarding the crusades? It can be about the crusades in general, or a specific one.

I recently read Peter Frankopan's Call From the East, and it's very interesting and good (I feel like he's overplaying the Roman Empire's involvement in organizing it, though not by a lot), though it's perhaps not the best place to start as it's trying to revise an older narrative.

Sadly I don't know any other good single volume on the Crusades (I've mostly come to it as it intersects with other things). I was going to recommend the History of the Outremer podcast, which is weird as poo poo, but does a better than average job of covering the origins of the crusading movement, if you're into the whole podcasting thing. Sadly it appears to have died out just as the First Crusade is reaching Antioch, which is almost poetic in a way.

e: Steven Runciman's A History of the Crusades are the big name in English Crusade Histories, though they're certainly dated now. Not sure if there's a single (approachable) more recent approach to it, though in googling stuff I did discover the Wisconsin Collaborative History of the Crusades if you want to get real academic with it.

e2: The guy who was doing History of the Outremer's recommendations: Christopher Tyerman's God's War or Thomas Asbridge's The Crusades . I have read neither.

PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Nov 24, 2023

tracecomplete
Feb 26, 2017

the Crusader Historians of Wisconsintremer, or as their contemporaries called them, the Wedge Heads

MikeC
Jul 19, 2004
BITCH ASS NARC
I am looking for any recommendations for an entry level text on the Iranian Intermezzo. Going to be playing CK3's latest flavourful pack this holiday and I want a bit of background information.

Something like what Battle Cry For Freedom would be for the ACW.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


This is fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlTMPwW_bWs

I've heard stories of people getting by in Italy speaking Latin but never seen it.

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


Grand Fromage posted:

This is fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlTMPwW_bWs

I've heard stories of people getting by in Italy speaking Latin but never seen it.

This is hosed up and crazy, goddamn.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Grand Fromage posted:

I don't have one but you're completely on topic, in fact. The First Crusade was initiated and at least somewhat organized/directed by the Roman Empire. The Romans looked at it as recruiting western mercenaries to help reclaim Roman lands from the Turks. The crusaders ended up having their own ideas, but it did take a lot of pressure off the empire at a vulnerable time.

I do get the idea the Crusades basically were European adventurism and religious fanaticism being used to send them on proxy wars with various levels of backfiring. The Children's Crusade seems like some real religious mania turning into black comedy.

Still funny hearing the full details of the Fourth Crusade where it's not quite so much 'redneck Anglo knights got bored and sacked Constantinople instead' as a series of Always Sunny esque grifts and shenanigans and a Byzantine pretender's zany scheme.

Elden Lord Godfrey
Mar 4, 2022
its no more farcical than rome getting sacked by the army of the holy roman emperor

Hippocrass
Aug 18, 2015

That third panel of the first comic just makes it. It's still funny if you remove it, but that panel included just makes it top tier.

Elden Lord Godfrey posted:

its no more farcical than rome getting sacked by the army of the holy roman emperor

He's just taking back what's rightfully his. It's in the loving name!

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Elden Lord Godfrey posted:

its no more farcical than rome getting sacked by the army of the holy roman emperor

To be fair he did tell them not to

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Grand Fromage posted:

This is fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlTMPwW_bWs

I've heard stories of people getting by in Italy speaking Latin but never seen it.

I've heard from more than one Argentinian friend that they have no problem communicating with Italians in Spanish. Dunno if that's applicable to the broader hispanophone world or due to the large Italian cultural influence in Argentina, but I'd be interested to see if the same worked for native Spanish speakers.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Ghost Leviathan posted:

I do get the idea the Crusades basically were European adventurism and religious fanaticism being used to send them on proxy wars with various levels of backfiring. The Children's Crusade seems like some real religious mania turning into black comedy.

The Children's Crusade didn't happen as described.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Vincent Van Goatse posted:

The Children's Crusade didn't happen as described.

Children didnt attempt to go on a crusade and instead just all got sold into slavery?

EricBauman
Nov 30, 2005

DOLF IS RECHTVAARDIG

zoux posted:

I've heard from more than one Argentinian friend that they have no problem communicating with Italians in Spanish. Dunno if that's applicable to the broader hispanophone world or due to the large Italian cultural influence in Argentina, but I'd be interested to see if the same worked for native Spanish speakers.

I think there's different kinds of Spanish speakers:
1. Rioplatense has a huge Italian influence. So for them, it's the easiest.
2. Then there's the rest of Latin America. I'm generalizing here, but Latin American Spanish sounds a lot more like Italian than true European Spanish does. I learned Italian in high school and university, and when I started watching Latin American TV this was very clear to me immediately. Of course TV Spanish is different from what's really spoken, but still, the difference between Mexican/Colombian/etc Spanish on TV and European Spanish on TV is clear.
3. But even for speakers of European Spanish, it can work. I talked to my friend's Spanish parents in Italian and they could understand almost all of it. In Italy, I heard tons of Spanish tourists speak Spanish to Italian service workers and it just works.

I think the biggest barrier with Latin, though, would be if you learned it in a country where the local tradition has shifted pronunciation too much. I only have experience with Dutch and German pronunciation of Latin, but that's nothing like how an Italian would pronounce the same Latin words

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slDJF2d0NTE

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

The fact that the Latin guy pronounces the exact same word (principio) two different ways does not fill me with confidence there. Also the Greek is Koine and not Ancient, again not great.

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

The only ancient language reconstructor I trust is this dorky rear end college kid that does half his videos high as gently caress. He is constantly correcting people like the above for not using the correct type of Greek or Hebrew pornouncitations pronunciations and always cites sources and poo poo

https://www.tiktok.com/@arumnatzorkhang?_t=8VvimP5RgTe&_r=1&fbclid=PAAaYtkMhg0_xb7Dgj8sdqBhc0zZohozZUTGJ6GYFztontXunDDJtCyH-2kH8

WoodrowSkillson fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Nov 27, 2023

Zopotantor
Feb 24, 2013

...und ist er drin dann lassen wir ihn niemals wieder raus...

WoodrowSkillson posted:

pornouncitations

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WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

lmao

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