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CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Punkin Spunkin posted:

It's like the ending of Taxi Driver or something. What suddenly changed?? Is she dead? For everyone else she was just gone for like 15 minutes and said she like, fell or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkjB7ZEaAto

lol. Man gently caress this awful movie.

Waffleman_ posted:

It's a vague gesture towards a character arc without having to do the arc. Like how the Super Mario Bros movie 2023 feels like Mario has an arc but ???

Have to admit, I kind of dug the boldness of having him 9/11-ing downtown Brooklyn.

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Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010

CatstropheWaitress posted:

lol. Man gently caress this awful movie.
I do love how she ends it by going "Hey old British man in the 1800s...let's go to to your office and talk business." Yeah definitely he'd take like a teenage girl in that society seriously.
Good for him that he did though cuz they're gonna make a lot of money starting the Opium Wars together.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



SCheeseman posted:

Do those 80s specials count? Some of those were pretty cool.

Halloween and Christmas should be required holiday watching like Charlie Brown and etc..

I dunno, maybe I'm just too old and nostalgia bound, but Garfield was the most important cartoon to me growing up, rivaled only by Pinky and the Brain. As such, every iteration of it after has been "unworthy" to me. Bill Murray obviously beats Chris Pratt but none can ever compete with Lorenzo Music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYTQAfyfxPU

John's VA was also incredible. And the writing was fantastic. And basically I still love absolutely everything about Garfield & Friends 30 years later.

SimonChris
Apr 24, 2008

The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.
Grimey Drawer

Punkin Spunkin posted:

I also liked that once exiting Wonderland she walks back to the wedding where everyone lines up so she can give then a quippy line (all shot in the most monotonous way). Like all of the societal cultural and misogynistic pressure suddenly melts away. "Sister. I know you want me to get married but I don't think that's right for me." "Ok." "Mother, I'm going to start deciding what to do with my life myself now." "Alright."
It's like the ending of Taxi Driver or something. What suddenly changed?? Is she dead? For everyone else she was just gone for like 15 minutes and said she like, fell or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkjB7ZEaAto

I forgot about that dance she tries to replicate at the end:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWlCSBhAlV0

Rascar Capac
Aug 31, 2016

Surprisingly nice, for an evil Inca mummy.
Part of me hates to be this guy, but here I am anyway: the Alice in Wonderland film is set in 1868. The British East India Company was founded in 1600, and the Opium Wars were 1839-42 and 1856-60.

Alice might be about to be responsible for a bunch of bad stuff, but not those.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Rascar Capac posted:

Part of me hates to be this guy, but here I am anyway: the Alice in Wonderland film is set in 1868. The British East India Company was founded in 1600, and the Opium Wars were 1839-42 and 1856-60.

Alice might be about to be responsible for a bunch of bad stuff, but not those.

What, surely Britain didn't do anything horrible in Asia or Africa after 1868? Wait, I'm being handed a note, oh dear god.

SimonChris
Apr 24, 2008

The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.
Grimey Drawer

Rascar Capac posted:

Part of me hates to be this guy, but here I am anyway: the Alice in Wonderland film is set in 1868. The British East India Company was founded in 1600, and the Opium Wars were 1839-42 and 1856-60.

Alice might be about to be responsible for a bunch of bad stuff, but not those.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CegF4Pmbu2w

She explicitly says they're going to be the first to trade with China. Maybe Burton just didn't think this through properly.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

What? Tim Burton, phone it in a little? No.

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010

Rascar Capac posted:

Part of me hates to be this guy, but here I am anyway: the Alice in Wonderland film is set in 1868. The British East India Company was founded in 1600, and the Opium Wars were 1839-42 and 1856-60.

Alice might be about to be responsible for a bunch of bad stuff, but not those.
Part of me hates to be this guy, but here I am anyway: I don't think the film really emphasizes a particular or historically realistic place/period whatever the Wikipedia says.

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

SimonChris posted:

I forgot about that dance she tries to replicate at the end:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWlCSBhAlV0

Fuuuuuck this movie.

Watched Lucy, which is the most aggressively stupid film I've seen this year – starts with the premise of "What if we could access 100% of our brains", and immediately jumps from Scarlett Jo can learn things fast to she can control radios and talk to dogs. and that's at ~20%! At 100% she becomes a usb stick. They got Morgan Freeman for the movie too, so you have him selling just awful scientific babble about brainpower throughout the thing.

That all said, kind of enjoyed the watch, as it was entertaining seeing what on earth her next power would be, or what garbage would come out of Freeman's character.

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010
I deeply regret seeing the Very Okay and Very American comedy Babes and beg upwardly mobile millennials from New York to stop telling tired rear end quirky stories about themselves.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Punkin Spunkin posted:

I deeply regret seeing the Very Okay and Very American comedy Babes and beg upwardly mobile millennials from New York to stop telling tired rear end quirky stories about themselves.

We hit the maximum number of stories set in New York humanity needs years ago.

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010
Sample lines:

"Cmon shrooms, chill, you are some silly-cybin!"

"So which 'burb have you dorks selected?"

"Omg my baby had a baby!"

"I WISH I could be normal and experience typical boring bliss."

"Are you still thinking of making your basement an Air bnb?"

There's ten zingers a minute and about 3 or 4 total made me mildly chuckle. It's like a joke machine gun interrupted by oddly earnest and genuinely sometimes psychotic appeals to dramatic serious emotion.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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CatstropheWaitress posted:

Fuuuuuck this movie.

Watched Lucy, which is the most aggressively stupid film I've seen this year – starts with the premise of "What if we could access 100% of our brains", and immediately jumps from Scarlett Jo can learn things fast to she can control radios and talk to dogs. and that's at ~20%! At 100% she becomes a usb stick. They got Morgan Freeman for the movie too, so you have him selling just awful scientific babble about brainpower throughout the thing.

That all said, kind of enjoyed the watch, as it was entertaining seeing what on earth her next power would be, or what garbage would come out of Freeman's character.

Buddy if Lucy's the dumbest thing you've ever seen I don't know what to tell ya. Girl accidentally takes experimental super drugs and becomes god. It isn't even the dumbest or worst "what if we could access 100% of our brain" movie that begins with an L that decade.

If you want an excuse not to watch it, Luc Besson is reason enough.

garycoleisgod
Sep 27, 2004
Boo

"A fitting end setting up what's next" sounds like a threat.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Limitless owns man

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

Any opinions on Gladiator vs the directors cut, and also My Sassy Girl (2001) versus the directors cut folks

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Baron von Eevl posted:

Buddy if Lucy's the dumbest thing you've ever seen I don't know what to tell ya. Girl accidentally takes experimental super drugs and becomes god. It isn't even the dumbest or worst "what if we could access 100% of our brain" movie that begins with an L that decade.

If you want an excuse not to watch it, Luc Besson is reason enough.

What's the worse "100% brain" movie?

It is for *this year so far. What gives it that distinction over dumb action flicks is that it spends so much of it's dialog selling the pseudo-science to justify her being able to control radio's. Stuart Paul's Heaven & Hell (is loving amazing) also features a super-human protagonist with powers that repeatedly get introduced out of nowhere, but the film didn't spend a quarter of it's time and hire Morgan Freeman to explain it.

That the movie spends so long swimming in it's own mythology, which is about intelligence, while lacking any real cleverness or introspection is a feat. I didn't hate it tho! Kind of listening to someone prattle about their personal philosophies and they're so batshit you can't help but listen a bit longer to see how off-the-rails they get.

Didn't know who Luc Besson was, but I do have a soft spot for Fifth Element.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

If you don't know about Luc Besson if recommend watching Leon the Professional first, and then looking his history up. Films better that way.

The Peccadillo
Mar 4, 2013

We Have Important Work To Do

It seems like they're doing a bit but it's ... that the Garfield movie hosed them? Confusing

https://x.com/theatomreview/status/1789744221932384329?t=uKTkjveQheZo_F7QJZm-dg&s=09

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010

Gaius Marius posted:

If you don't know about Luc Besson if recommend watching Leon the Professional first, and then looking his history up. Films better that way.
Honestly it kind of retroactively ruined the movie for me but it's fine to experience one of Gary Oldman's GREATEST ROLES with untortured eyes

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Don't believe for a second that was an unintentional gaffe. A garffield.

Also have seen Leon the professional, remember digging it. Did look up Besson, and oh dear.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Gaius Marius posted:

If you don't know about Luc Besson if recommend watching Leon the Professional first, and then looking his history up. Films better that way.

I like a lot of Luc Besson movies but he's probably a terrible person. He's basically the living embodiment of stereotypes about the French.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

I’d always wondered why Heather Graham is so good in Childrens Hospital but so unmemorable in other roles, but I just watched Suitable Flesh and that makes it pretty clear. She needs to play weirdos. Give her a weirdo and she’ll knock it out of the park.

But she’s too pretty and blonde, Hollywood kept giving her beautiful blonde woman roles when they should have been giving her character actor roles.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Gripweed posted:

I’d always wondered why Heather Graham is so good in Childrens Hospital but so unmemorable in other roles, but I just watched Suitable Flesh and that makes it pretty clear. She needs to play weirdos. Give her a weirdo and she’ll knock it out of the park.

But she’s too pretty and blonde, Hollywood kept giving her beautiful blonde woman roles when they should have been giving her character actor roles.

She's in some of my most rewatched scenes from Boogie Nights.

The Peccadillo
Mar 4, 2013

We Have Important Work To Do

Air Skwirl posted:

I like a lot of Luc Besson movies but he's probably a terrible person. He's basically the living embodiment of stereotypes about the French.

They only got an age of consent in like 2015

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Gaius Marius posted:

She's in some of my most rewatched scenes from Boogie Nights.

Does she play a weirdo in it?

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Gripweed posted:

Does she play a weirdo in it?

Porn star that wears roller skates constantly. So yeah?

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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CatstropheWaitress posted:

What's the worse "100% brain" movie?

Limitless. Like Gaius said, it's a pretty fun movie but it's got the post O Brother aggressive color grading and it's just less fun or ridiculous than Lucy. The latter at least revels in being insane, she gets brain powers that let her travel back in time and meet the early hominid Lucy.

The Peccadillo
Mar 4, 2013

We Have Important Work To Do
What was the one with Dakota Fanning? Was that limitless?

E: push

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The Peccadillo
Mar 4, 2013

We Have Important Work To Do

Baron von Eevl posted:

Limitless. Like Gaius said, it's a pretty fun movie but it's got the post O Brother aggressive color grading and it's just less fun or ridiculous than Lucy. The latter at least revels in being insane, she gets brain powers that let her travel back in time and meet the early hominid Lucy.

Lucy was pretty charming. The gently caress were the triads gonna do with a narcotic that turns you into God

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Lucy is one of those one world title movies that I always get confused with other films, in this case Salt.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Waffleman_ posted:

What? Tim Burton, phone it in a little? No.

Burton is a strange one because he made a lot of super popular movies when I grew up, and people still like them to this day, but then came a whole lot of nothing. I've always wondered if "but what have they done lately?" is a good metric to judge anybody by, because surely if someone wrote even one great book or made one great movie, it doesn't matter if everything after was bad. But Burton really does kind of test that idea.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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My friend was listening to that alt j song Matilda and I was like huh, this sounds like it might be a song about the professional? It was and my friend wanted to watch it.

We snagged the blu ray at Best Buy, popped it in and threw on the directors cut which I hadn’t seen.


That was maybe a decade ago and I’ll never watch it again

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

I still think The Professional is great, but Jean Reno was the one who came up with the idea that Leon should be a little slow, and also not reciprocate Matilda's romantic feelings at all. Which means that the original script Besson wrote was just a story about a cool guy with a 12 year old girlfriend.

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

Popular culture has passed you by.

Gripweed posted:

I still think The Professional is great, but Jean Reno was the one who came up with the idea that Leon should be a little slow, and also not reciprocate Matilda's romantic feelings at all. Which means that the original script Besson wrote was just a story about a cool guy with a 12 year old girlfriend.

I haven't seen it but his more recent movie Anna is about secret assassins pretending to be supermodels, which as a concept is such a big Yikes nowadays without even factoring in what a disgusting POS Besson is. It's like making an action movie with a bad-rear end child soldier.

The Peccadillo
Mar 4, 2013

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Grendels Dad posted:

I haven't seen it but his more recent movie Anna is about secret assassins pretending to be supermodels, which as a concept is such a big Yikes nowadays without even factoring in what a disgusting POS Besson is. It's like making an action movie with a bad-rear end child soldier.


You should! Very good movie. Dude's definetly a pedophile, though

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

NikkolasKing posted:

Burton is a strange one because he made a lot of super popular movies when I grew up, and people still like them to this day, but then came a whole lot of nothing. I've always wondered if "but what have they done lately?" is a good metric to judge anybody by, because surely if someone wrote even one great book or made one great movie, it doesn't matter if everything after was bad. But Burton really does kind of test that idea.

It's extremely difficult to execute at the highest level of cinema for long stretches, only a couple directors like Scorsese have managed to keep going at such high levels into their twilight years.

There's a couple things going against it. One is that a young up and comer has a lot more to prove and a lot more time to think of what they want their first or second film to be. Truffaut had 20 some years to figure out what he wanted 400 Blows to be and a year or less for the followup, Shoot the Piano Player.
Two is that once you get big it's harder for people to say no to your bad ideas and overindulgent behavior, this is pretty drat true for Burton.
Three is that there are massively diminishing returns on style and novelty. When Edward Scissorhands is your first exposure to the Burton style it's fresh and novel compared to everything else at the cinema, when you go and see part 2 of Alice in Wonderland with a Burton free from editors and with stacks for a budget suddenly it seems trite. Hell, you can see it being speedrun, First Reformed is lauded and seen as a massive return to form for Schrader then he goes and makes the sameish movie twice more in Card Counter and Master Gardener and suddenly people are more excited about his Facebook posts and Swiftie allegiance than the next film he makes despite the other two films also being good.

As for whether it matter, not really in absolute terms but it does help if you're looking at what's coming up or what you want to watch. I'll be excited to see the next Scorsese joint or Tarantino flick because they're consistently good and manage to reinvent themselves enough to keep their filmography fresh, Zemeckis I wouldn't see unless someone put a gun to my head because despite his past work also being great, he hasn't done anything worth watching in decades.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Gripweed posted:

I still think The Professional is great, but Jean Reno was the one who came up with the idea that Leon should be a little slow, and also not reciprocate Matilda's romantic feelings at all. Which means that the original script Besson wrote was just a story about a cool guy with a 12 year old girlfriend.

There's a sex scene in the original script

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Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Gaius Marius posted:

It's extremely difficult to execute at the highest level of cinema for long stretches, only a couple directors like Scorsese have managed to keep going at such high levels into their twilight years.

There's a couple things going against it. One is that a young up and comer has a lot more to prove and a lot more time to think of what they want their first or second film to be. Truffaut had 20 some years to figure out what he wanted 400 Blows to be and a year or less for the followup, Shoot the Piano Player.
Two is that once you get big it's harder for people to say no to your bad ideas and overindulgent behavior, this is pretty drat true for Burton.
Three is that there are massively diminishing returns on style and novelty. When Edward Scissorhands is your first exposure to the Burton style it's fresh and novel compared to everything else at the cinema, when you go and see part 2 of Alice in Wonderland with a Burton free from editors and with stacks for a budget suddenly it seems trite. Hell, you can see it being speedrun, First Reformed is lauded and seen as a massive return to form for Schrader then he goes and makes the sameish movie twice more in Card Counter and Master Gardener and suddenly people are more excited about his Facebook posts and Swiftie allegiance than the next film he makes despite the other two films also being good.

As for whether it matter, not really in absolute terms but it does help if you're looking at what's coming up or what you want to watch. I'll be excited to see the next Scorsese joint or Tarantino flick because they're consistently good and manage to reinvent themselves enough to keep their filmography fresh, Zemeckis I wouldn't see unless someone put a gun to my head because despite his past work also being great, he hasn't done anything worth watching in decades.

There's also Ridley Scott and Kubrick and Spielberg.

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