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LuckyDaemon posted:I got a reply back from my brother-in-law This is just sad.
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Stop wearing condoms, no birth control, and better stop masturbating because you can't waste sperm these days! We're running out of people, you know! And better start knocking up girls once they hit puberty. This is a race against human extinction, you know.
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Apr 14, 2011 04:09
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TerminalSaint posted:It's quite telling how conservatives practically worship people with business experience. I find this train of thought hilarious, because I worked at a small, independent retail fitness store. It was basically How Not to Run a Business 101. loving up deliveries, ignoring customers, ignoring bills, claiming to be 'struggling' then taking extravagant vacations and buying expensive things; all kinds of insane, stupid behavior. An outside observer would probably think they were trying to go bankrupt. The details are in the retail thread. Basically, not all small business owners are the Saviors of the Economy that conservatives make them out to be.
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Apr 14, 2011 04:10
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LuckyDaemon posted:Ugh, my pet peeve as well. I realize it's a polite way to bow out of the conversation and change the subject, and I'm socially aware enough to smile, agree and drop it but goddamn. It's like when I'm explaining evidence for evolution or that children of gay parents do just fine and backing it up with cites to someone and they say "well, I guess the science is still undecided" What's particularly amusing is that most of these people who appear ultra-selfish are usually ultra-religious as well. Makes me wonder which version of the bible these guys have read that shows how Jesus would be the first person to tell a person in need to gently caress off.
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Apr 14, 2011 05:09
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Cowslips Warren posted:Stop wearing condoms, no birth control, and better stop masturbating because you can't waste sperm these days! We're running out of people, you know! And better start knocking up girls once they hit puberty. This is a race against human extinction, you know. You do realize that all of those things are also desired by the people who want to ban gay marriage, right?
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Apr 14, 2011 05:12
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Dr. Morse posted:No rational case can be made for same sex marriage or the abomination of trans-gender adoptions. Well, seeing how nature can predispose itself in some instances for same-sex coupling within the human race, and seeing that we proclaim ourselves to live in a free and organized society where all are supposedly treated equally without fear of opression or prejudice, one could make an argument that individuals should be allowed to form legally binding bonds with whichever consenting adult they so choose....wait, what am I saying? OHMY GOD EEEWWWWW ICKY FAGGOTS!
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Apr 14, 2011 05:21
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Mr Interweb posted:What's particularly amusing is that most of these people who appear ultra-selfish are usually ultra-religious as well. Makes me wonder which version of the bible these guys have read that shows how Jesus would be the first person to tell a person in need to gently caress off. http://www.beliefnet.com/News/2003/09/The-Gospel-Of-Supply-Side-Jesus.aspx
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Apr 14, 2011 06:46
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Cowslips Warren posted:Stop wearing condoms, no birth control, and better stop masturbating because you can't waste sperm these days! We're running out of people, you know! And better start knocking up girls once they hit puberty. This is a race against human extinction, you know. http://pop.org/ So don't worry about climate change or any poo poo like that; the planet not only has room and resources for more people, it literally NEEDS more! Get procreating!
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Apr 14, 2011 06:49
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Mr Interweb posted:What's particularly amusing is that most of these people who appear ultra-selfish are usually ultra-religious as well. Makes me wonder which version of the bible these guys have read that shows how Jesus would be the first person to tell a person in need to gently caress off. What I find craziest about this is I've come across that quote three or four times before - exclusively from various Christian sources. At least around here it seems to be a common parable used to encourage Christians to "save" (in the "from damnation" sense) others. It's so inextricably linked in my mind with Christians that I initially assumed LuckyDaemon's email was going to drift into religious territory. I looked up the source, and the actual story sounds a bit more interesting than the common short adaptation . That's not to say I don't find the adaptation a touching story... What kind of rear end in a top hat reads that story as something bad?
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Apr 14, 2011 07:01
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Lord Hawking posted:Funny you should mention that. This is a link shared by my cousin's wife through Facebook. The main image is about the death toll of malaria with an image of a young black child. Clicking it takes you to a petition about abortion. It took me quite a while to decide this wasn't an error.
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Apr 14, 2011 07:17
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Don't know if this has been posted already, but this is quite popular on the conservative realm of the web:quote:The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness
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Apr 14, 2011 07:21
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1,000 years from now liberals are the new vampires and people hang bags of tea over their doors to ward them off.
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Apr 14, 2011 07:45
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*US_wealth_distribution.jpg* There's a reason liberals tend to think the vast majority of people are being oppressed by a tiny minority. I really, really wish I had that picture on this computer, but sufficed to say when the top 400 households (at most around 2,000 people) own more than the bottom 150 million you start to reach certain conclusions. When the person in the top 0.01% has 75,000 times the wealth of the person in the bottom 50% who do you think is going to be making the rules? (Someone please post that picture. GIS is crashing Firefox for me.) Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Apr 14, 2011 |
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Apr 14, 2011 08:19
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Is it one of these? 
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Mr Interweb posted:What's particularly amusing is that most of these people who appear ultra-selfish are usually ultra-religious as well. Makes me wonder which version of the bible these guys have read that shows how Jesus would be the first person to tell a person in need to gently caress off. What makes you think they've actually read the whole thing?
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Apr 14, 2011 12:08
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Mr Interweb posted:What's particularly amusing is that most of these people who appear ultra-selfish are usually ultra-religious as well. Makes me wonder which version of the bible these guys have read that shows how Jesus would be the first person to tell a person in need to gently caress off. The hypocrisy in some of these people is astounding. A few years ago over the holidays our Great Aunt and Uncle joined us. They are ultra-conservative, rabid Fox News watchers, and subscribe to all the right-wing publications. They are also a former Priest and Nun who are extremely religious and in fact write about it as a hobby. So somehow they go off on a rant about welfare at some point. All your typical talking points, mixing in some nonsense about illegals, and finish with some speel about lazy people who don't want to work getting free handouts. Normally I don't get into these debates, but this particularly bothered me and I gave a simple "is that somewhere in the Bible too?". It immediately caused a shocked reaction and a flustered response that made no sense (some backtracking with bad reasoning mixed in). The other irony in this is they live off the government. While they get a small Church pension, they primarily live off Social Security. He recently spent time in a hospital which required surgery that was all paid by Medicare (and they had rave reviews about the service). They moved into assisted living through help of some government program. And it's not like these are individuals who paid into the system. Their only jobs were with the Church, and I don't believe they got paid much at all. He lived for many years off his first wife's (who died) money that she got from a rich ex-husband.
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Apr 14, 2011 12:50
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Um, attributing that story to a Priest, who can't have sex in the Catholic religion (also the only religion with nuns I'm pretty sure), and a Nun, who fall under the same no sex rule as a Priest, make it one of the weirdest stories I could possibly imagine. Should of said "Oh, so that's what people who abandon their Holy work think, I'll go ask people who stick to the word of God".
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Apr 14, 2011 12:56
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Mr Interweb posted:What's particularly amusing is that most of these people who appear ultra-selfish are usually ultra-religious as well. Makes me wonder which version of the bible these guys have read that shows how Jesus would be the first person to tell a person in need to gently caress off. I heard that starfish story a long, long time ago... from the pulpit back in my church-goin' days. Hearing someone label it liberal trash is kinda surreal!
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Apr 14, 2011 14:20
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I've been on a self-hating kick lately, so I've been reading a lot about Conservapedia. Greatest hits include the project to rewrite the Bible in accordance with conservative morals, the hilarious exchange with Lenski over whether evolutionary biology is science, and of course denial of relativity. (As far as anyone can tell, this is all totally serious, at least for the founder Andrew Schlafly.) But my favorite has to be "Best New Conservative Words". Basically, Schlafly argues that "conservative insights increase over time at a geometric rate, as in 1-2-4-8-16-etc." As evidence, he cites the emergence of "conservative words". gently caress it, I'll just let the intro speak for itself: Achlafly posted:Each year the English language develops about a thousand new words. The King James Version of the Bible contains only about 8,000 different words;[1] many good words have since developed. These words include incoherent, gambit, correlate, caucus, plasticity, terrorism, tour de force, taxpayer, leadership, local, socialist(!), constant, bedrock, editorialize, worldview, alcoholism, harmless error, skullduggery, ugly duckling, crackpot, deflation ("an increase in the value of savings"), straw man, phony, greasy spoon, vet, mindset, Eagle Scout, balkanize, trivia, gang up, goon, agitprop, shotgun marriage, charisma, life vest, transistor, doublethink, elitism, parenting, back burner, informed consent, muscle car, wannabe, cyberbullying, patent troll, and scientific fascism. (I'm sure that last one is about to catch on.) In the apparently totally serious opinion of Mr. Schlafly, every one of these words is an example of conservative insight, and the list is a complete inventory of every such conservative word coined since 1600. Coincidentally, they happen to show a perfect geometrical growth pattern confirming his theory with no error or noise whatsoever. Some of the content on Conservapedia is probably from deep cover trolls, but this is straight from the founder's mind. This argument would get you a D- in high school civics. But Schlafly can't be dismissed as an idiot - he graduated from Princeton and Harvard, for instance. What causes people to turn to such an incredible, bizarre relationship to reality?
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Apr 14, 2011 14:37
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:This argument would get you a D- in high school civics. But Schlafly can't be dismissed as an idiot - he graduated from Princeton and Harvard, for instance. What causes people to turn to such an incredible, bizarre relationship to reality? Don't be fooled. Idiots graduate from high prestige universities all the time. Some are even employed by high prestige universities.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:This argument would get you a D- in high school civics. But Schlafly can't be dismissed as an idiot - he graduated from Princeton and Harvard, for instance. What causes people to turn to such an incredible, bizarre relationship to reality? Without people like him, appeal to authority wouldn't be a logical fallacy 
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Apr 14, 2011 15:05
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I just got linked to this Heritage Foundation study by a friend. Am I right by going about breaking it down by saying that the top 10% paying 71% of the taxes isn't bad considering they own 85%~ of the wealth so proportionately they're being under taxed?
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Apr 14, 2011 15:08
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jisforjosh posted:I just got linked to this Heritage Foundation study by a friend. Am I right by going about breaking it down by saying that the top 10% paying 71% of the taxes isn't bad considering they own 85%~ of the wealth so proportionately they're being under taxed? Between that and the marginal value of a dollar, yes.
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Apr 14, 2011 15:22
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LuckyDaemon posted:I got a reply back from my brother-in-law Just thinking about this again, it's so sad because a simple story of someone doing something generous, selfless and good is instinctively identified as LIBERAL and deserving of scorn and derision. Doesn't someone like this EVER have a moment where they stop and say to themselves, "whoa, what have I become?"
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Apr 14, 2011 15:24
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The fact that "liberal" is often preceded by "bleeding-heart" shows that conservatives try to use compassion and caring as negative character traits. Their mentality is seriously "gently caress everybody else except me and people exactly like me".
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Apr 14, 2011 15:39
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Thenipwax posted:The fact that "liberal" is often preceded by "bleeding-heart" shows that conservatives try to use compassion and caring as negative character traits. Their mentality is seriously "gently caress everybody else except me and people exactly like me". Doesn't surprise me. I mean, my parents have inferred to me something along the lines of "there must be poor in order for there to be rich". Like, some people must be lower in order for others to succeed. Ninja_Orca fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Apr 14, 2011 |
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Thenipwax posted:The fact that "liberal" is often preceded by "bleeding-heart" shows that conservatives try to use compassion and caring as negative character traits. Their mentality is seriously "gently caress everybody else except me and people exactly like me". It would be interesting to see an analysis on how many of the most common conservative insults and other negative statements involve women or traits they attribute to femininity.
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Ninja_Orca posted:Wouldn't surprise me. I mean, my parents have inferred to me something along the lines of "there must be poor in order for there to be rich". Like, some people must be lower in order for others to succeed. So even in some hypothetical universe where everybody is a Randian superman, there would still be poor people? Unless... everybody would be equal 
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:But Schlafly can't be dismissed as an idiot - he graduated from Princeton and Harvard, for instance. What causes people to turn to such an incredible, bizarre relationship to reality? Harvard Law is easier in many cases than any random state school. It takes a shitton of work to get in (if your father didn't attend) but once you're in that's it. They will never fail you out because it looks bad for a school when students drop out. You will get a C or B- for work that any regular school would have failed you on. I'm simplifying a bit, but it's true. That's why you have these rich idiots who go because they're easy ins due to family, then they spend most of a decade partying then graduate with an MBA and go work as a vice president somewhere. You think they worked for those degrees? Remember, George Bush was a C student at Yale. That grade is code for, he didn't do any work, but they won't fail anyone unless given almost no choice, especially a Bush. However, I just looked it up and Mr Schaflys degree from Princeton is in Engineering Physics, which means he has to be reasonably clever. That's not an easy degree, although maybe it says something about his grasp of the material that he never used it and got a law degree instead.
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jojoinnit posted:However, I just looked it up and Mr Schaflys degree from Princeton is in Engineering Physics, which means he has to be reasonably clever. That's not an easy degree, although maybe it says something about his grasp of the material that he never used it and got a law degree instead. RationalWiki says he was an engineer for a while: "He went to Princeton University (1981), graduating with a B.S.E. cum laude in Electrical Engineering, and worked as a device physicist for Intel, an electrical engineer at the applied physics laboratory of Johns Hopkins University,[9] and finally at Bell Labs.[10]" Perhaps he kept his strange physics views to himself at this time.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:RationalWiki says he was an engineer for a while: "He went to Princeton University (1981), graduating with a B.S.E. cum laude in Electrical Engineering, and worked as a device physicist for Intel, an electrical engineer at the applied physics laboratory of Johns Hopkins University,[9] and finally at Bell Labs.[10]" Perhaps he kept his strange physics views to himself at this time. I'm dumb, his work as a physicist was in the next paragraph of Wikipedia. Apparently around the time he went to law school something happened. The whole thing is quite odd, because an engineering degree is excellent and the jobs he held were probably very well paid. What would cause somebody to abandon it all to go back to school for three years and pursue a completely new career? He was definitely a hardcore conservative by 1992 though: Wikipedia posted:In 1992, Schlafly ran as a Republican for the United States House of Representatives seat of Virginia's 11th congressional district; Schlafly came in last place in the primary.
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Stuff like that isn't without precedent, the whole "Doing decent until X point in time," phenomenon. Maybe check to see if he had some kind of accident, maybe a head injury or something? Wouldn't be the first time someone's suddenly acquired crazy political views as a result of such a thing.
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Apr 14, 2011 16:31
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:
This list is the most awesome thing ever. It's great. Charisma? Transistor? Patent Troll? Goon? Leadership? Most awesome. I always knew this guy was crazy, and pointed people at the relativity page, and it's discussion page or any number of other pages, but this one really jsut stands out so brightly that I'll have to use it in the future.
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Wikipedia posted:In 1992, Schlafly ran as a Republican for the United States House of Representatives seat of Virginia's 11th congressional district; Schlafly came in last place in the primary.
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Apr 14, 2011 16:36
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Ninja_Orca posted:Stuff like that isn't without precedent, the whole "Doing decent until X point in time," phenomenon. Maybe check to see if he had some kind of accident, maybe a head injury or something? Wouldn't be the first time someone's suddenly acquired crazy political views as a result of such a thing. That's usually someone with either no degree or with a lesser degree, ie, you get promoted to middle manager then you go back to school for an MBA to raise the ceiling, or "Sears has been good to me but I want to do something with my life". It's not so common that someone with an advanced degree goes back to school to pursue a completely different degree after only a few years work. People with liberal arts degrees who can't find work, sure. Rarely people with functional six figure paying degrees. Edit: Anyone else notice GOON in the list of conservative words? What does that make us?
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jojoinnit posted:That's usually someone with either no degree or with a lesser degree, ie, you get promoted to middle manager then you go back to school for an MBA to raise the ceiling, or "Sears has been good to me but I want to do something with my life". Well that wasn't quite what I meant. I was actually trying to pull a Godwin there, since Hitler didn't start thinking he was going to rule Germany and stuff until he was caught in mustard gas during WWI. I'm not suggesting a 'wow I'm going to rethink my life' style of accident, I'm suggesting a 'hit in the head and not the same since' style of accident. And it's us. We are the conservatives. *ignores the GBS liberal hivemind*
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Ninja_Orca posted:Well that wasn't quite what I meant. I was actually trying to pull a Godwin there, since Hitler didn't start thinking he was going to rule Germany and stuff until he was caught in mustard gas during WWI. I'm not suggesting a 'wow I'm going to rethink my life' style of accident, I'm suggesting a 'hit in the head and not the same since' style of accident.  Well now I see it. Well done, even if it was too subtle for me.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:doublethink Orwell coined that word. Conservatives like to read 1984 and Animal Farm as a warning against all leftism, but Orwell himself was a socialist. His works were warnings against the usurping of peoples' movements by greedy power seekers.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:These words include incoherent, gambit, correlate, caucus, plasticity, terrorism, tour de force, taxpayer, leadership, local, socialist(!), constant, bedrock, editorialize, worldview, alcoholism, harmless error, skullduggery, ugly duckling, crackpot, deflation ("an increase in the value of savings"), straw man, phony, greasy spoon, vet, mindset, Eagle Scout, balkanize, trivia, gang up, goon, agitprop, shotgun marriage, charisma, life vest, transistor, doublethink, elitism, parenting, back burner, informed consent, muscle car, wannabe, cyberbullying, patent troll, and scientific fascism. (I'm sure that last one is about to catch on.) In the apparently totally serious opinion of Mr. Schlafly, every one of these words is an example of conservative insight, and the list is a complete inventory of every such conservative word coined since 1600. Coincidentally, they happen to show a perfect geometrical growth pattern confirming his theory with no error or noise whatsoever. Some of the content on Conservapedia is probably from deep cover trolls, but this is straight from the founder's mind. Conservapedia is basically trying to make "good" a conservative value, with the implication that "not good" is a liberal value. I remember reading someone, I think on Breitbart's "Big Hollywood" site, refer to "The Road" as a paragon of conservative movies. I assume this is because Viggo Mortenson's character defends his son through the post-apocalyptic hellscape, rather than having a 33rd-trimester post-natal abortion when things get tough.
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