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I am the library staffer on the top right of the second picture, furiously texting an intern about running public events through the head librarian.
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Joementum posted:14.5% Which is appropriate, because this is what he's polling at right now.
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TEAYCHES posted:same but jeremy corbyn If the Democratic Party were to radically change their primary process and do something similar, no doubt Sanders would have a far better chance, but the arcane system in place seems specifically designed to keep people Hillary on top and edge people like Sanders out, so... Bryter fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Sep 12, 2015 |
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Sep 12, 2015 18:26
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Neeksy posted:Admitting it's dumb is not entirely making up for the fact that you're making decisions like that over a forums poster. But surely you realize that you thinking that's dumb is about as significant as the phase of the moon; that is how many people think and their "dumb"ness has no impact on how important they are. Pirate Radar fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Sep 12, 2015 |
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Sep 12, 2015 18:27
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Bryter posted:If the Democratic Party were to do something similar, no doubt Sanders would have a chance, but the arcane primary system seems specifically designed to keep people Hillary on top and edge people like Sanders out, so... watching a popular candidate sanders be blatantly politicked out might be enough to get Democrats to finally take a serious look at reforming our own party system into something worthy of the name 'Democratic' i have more wildly overoptimistic scenarios if you want em
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Sep 12, 2015 18:27
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Lot of people are bashing Trump for this, but that skit was amazing and is probably endearing to more people than it'd turn off.
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Sep 12, 2015 18:28
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Bryter posted:I don't think you can exactly compare the two. Corbyn's win was partially the result of Labour reforming their process because the influence of and association with an element of the Old Labour establishment (the unions) was an ongoing thorn in the side of the New Labour establishment. So they let anyone with a few quid to spare join in and, amazingly, it turns out that when you have such an open leadership election in a party with a left wing base, you end up with a populist left wing leader. theres no barrier to voting in the democratic primary apart from registering as a democrat, and in many states its a completely open primary i submit to you the possibility that if a candidate positions himself as a populist left wing leader in a nation with such an open primary process then its possible he will win the leadership of the democratic party
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Sep 12, 2015 18:29
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Patter Song posted:Lot of people are bashing Trump for this, but that skit was amazing and is probably endearing to more people than it'd turn off. I don't know why anyone would bash Trump for this.
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Sep 12, 2015 18:32
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Patter Song posted:Lot of people are bashing Trump for this, but that skit was amazing and is probably endearing to more people than it'd turn off. The only people who seem to think this was bad for Trump are the rival campaigns.
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Sep 12, 2015 18:32
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Fish Cant Hold Gun posted:Guess what bitch. I was going to caucus for Bernie Sanders, but now I'm not, just because of you and how much I hate you. Think I'm kidding? I've done dumber things for dumber reasons. I want you to reflect on that. On how poor an ambassador you are for a cause that means so much to you. lol, did I win the thread?
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Sep 12, 2015 18:32
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Patter Song posted:Lot of people are bashing Trump for this, but that skit was amazing and is probably endearing to more people than it'd turn off. if anything people should bash fallon for aiding and abetting trump NotWearingPants posted:lol, did I win the thread? causing someone to melt down like that was pretty amazing, good job
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Sep 12, 2015 18:33
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:538 is accurate as gently caress you doofuses Nate Silver/538 is very accurate in the moment, but not so much 5 months out.
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Sep 12, 2015 18:34
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TEAYCHES posted:theres no barrier to voting in the democratic primary apart from registering as a democrat, and in many states its a completely open primary If you know of any state primary or caucus which can be completed with anything like the ease of spending 2 minutes to fill in a ballot and email or post it off, I'm all ears. That's without even getting into the whole state by state poo poo and the influence of individual state parties. Come on, the process is nowhere near as open, and you'd have to be wilfully ignorant to believe it is. Bryter fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Sep 12, 2015 |
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Sep 12, 2015 18:38
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Abner Cadaver II posted:watching a popular candidate sanders be blatantly politicked out might be enough to get Democrats to finally take a serious look at reforming our own party system into something worthy of the name 'Democratic' I like Sanders, you like Sanders, Democrats generally like Sanders. You know who Democrats like more than Sanders? Hillary. Sanders not getting the nomination while Hillary does is not going to cause any revolution. Someone with around 80% favorability with the party winning is not going to cause an uproar. Now if the mystic sorceries metric bring the nomination to Chafee, well then thing are likely to change.
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Sep 12, 2015 18:40
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I apologize to everyone but TEAYCHES for the following semi-effortful post. TEAYCHES posted:nah i pretty distinctly remember obama winning and it being a surprise to no one but the mitt romney campaign and that right wing huckster polling guy That's interesting that that's what you remember. It's almost as if you weren't paying close attention until recently. Here's a small sampling of quotes from the Romney Toxx thread: quote:First of all, Romney's turnout, which is all the campaign has been shooting for, is overwhelming. It is thorough. It's showing up huge in MI, in FL. In OH, in CO and PA. Everywhere (sort of like those national polls indicated they would). quote:I bet my savings. I don't want to say how much exactly any more. UnskewedPolls had Romney by a landslide. Smart unbiased journalists were saying the same. Also momentum was on my side. This was supposed to be a clear victory at great odds. I still think it might be, but now I'm unsure. I really can't afford to lose this. I can't believe it's this close. Only the biased main stream media had obama as a favorite. quote:The most valuable thing learned from this election for me is that the RCP poll averages are accurate, as was Nate Silver. There's no point in putting any faith in 'turnout' or 'enthusiasm' or any other number of factors most conservatives were looking at to bring their hopes up. Some of you guys may find this to be a no-brainer but trust me on the conservative side there was an onslaught of hopeful tidbits (and predictions) to cling to. Here is a video of Mitt Romney supporters breaking down in tears and in shock because Romney lost. Here are the quotes from the first page of an unbelievably long Freep election night thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2955604/posts quote:Getting ready for this wonderful day; washing hair; singing in the shower—We’re going to wash that man right out of our hair… quote:Voted at 6am (NJ). A line already...remember Chick-Fil-A day??? It’s happening. Thank you Lord Jesus! quote:If what I think will happen, happens today, it will be a historic event in which we tell the govt, ‘you are in our house, here us roar.” quote:Reviewing the bidding: the media don’t have nearly the power that they, and many of us, think they have. And the pollsters, who get to talk to one out of every eleven people they (or their robots) call, are very afraid that they’re going to have to come up with some sort of scientific-sounding explanation for what happened. Some of these quotes should sound very familiar to Bernie-stans. Here is Peggy Noonan throwing in for Romney: quote:Among the wisest words spoken this cycle were by John Dickerson of CBS News and Slate...he thought maybe the American people were quietly cooking something up, something we don’t know about. Hmmmmm you mean people should be using crowd turnout as an indicator of who will win an election? Hmmm sounds like something I've heard before. Here is Brietbart doing some high quality unskewing: quote:Again, if Rasmussen is anywhere near as correct as he’s been in the past, all of these polls showing Obama holding small leads, are dead wrong. They’re under-sampling Republicans in a major way; predicting an electorate that looks like 2008. Also, here is Karl Rove’s infamous election night meltdown. I could also list the dozens of right-wing pundits who were not directly involved in the Romney campaign but predicted a sweep. The vast majority of people who weren't surprised by the outcome were those who were following the stats, and well, what side of the fence does that put you?
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A Neurotic Jew posted:I apologize to everyone but TEAYCHES for the following semi-effortful post. hosed up but not true
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Sep 12, 2015 18:41
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Gyges posted:80% favorability with the party winning is not going to cause an uproar. And by 80% you mean 60 & dropping.
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Sep 12, 2015 18:44
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Bryter posted:If you know of any state primary or caucus which can be completed with anything like the ease of spending 2 minutes to fill in a ballot and email or post it off, I'm all ears. its way easier to vote in united states primaries where you merely have to be a registered voter who has declared party affiliation and in some states you can be independent, or even open primaries. admittedly caucuses are a lot more involved, though in iowa, noted caucus state, they are tied. thats a less intensive process than even having to pay a nominal fee and actually join the party to vote like in the uk
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Sep 12, 2015 18:44
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steinrokkan posted:And by 80% you mean 60 & dropping. a lot of the d&d people are elderly and dont read a lot of current events, please go easy on them
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Sep 12, 2015 18:45
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Quote of the day, "Get in on the love train. That’s what Bernie Sanders’ campaign is.” ~ Cornell West, campaigning with Bernie in South Carolina.
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Sep 12, 2015 18:47
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, "Get in on the love train. That’s what Bernie Sanders’ campaign is.” ~ Cornell West, campaigning with Bernie in South Carolina. I've read about this guy that he is a very polarizing figure to african americans, mainly due to his opposition to the Obama presidency after the first four years. Advocating Sanders is a good or bad thing (for Sanders)?
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Sep 12, 2015 18:52
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A Neurotic Jew posted:I apologize to everyone but TEAYCHES for the following semi-effortful post. I think if you look you'll find white dudes on the internet have spoken and the word is Bern 
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Sep 12, 2015 18:53
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Dante80 posted:I've read about this guy that he is a very polarizing figure to african americans, mainly due to his opposition to the Obama presidency after the first four years. Some would have you believe Bernie's favorability couldn't get any lower with African Americans, so it's probably a good thing.
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Sep 12, 2015 18:54
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, "Get in on the love train. That’s what Bernie Sanders’ campaign is.” ~ Cornell West, campaigning with Bernie in South Carolina. Oh snap
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Sep 12, 2015 18:55
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TEAYCHES posted:its way easier to vote in united states primaries where you merely have to be a registered voter who has declared party affiliation and in some states you can be independent, or even open primaries. admittedly caucuses are a lot more involved, though in iowa, noted caucus state, they are tied. thats a less intensive process than even having to pay a nominal fee and actually join the party to vote like in the uk Any member of the Labour party, the affiliated unions or the registered supporters who paid a couple of quid to vote could pick any day within the past month to spend literally seconds filling out a ballot, and the winner was then decided on a one member, one vote basis. Are you honestly claiming to believe that the delegate system, staggered primaries and caucuses and the associated campaigning that Democratic candidates will go through are in any way comparable? Bryter fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Sep 12, 2015 |
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Sep 12, 2015 18:55
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Hodgepodge posted:I think if you look you'll find white dudes on the internet have spoken and the word is Bern pretty hosed up thing to say on the page of cornel west
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Sep 12, 2015 18:57
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Bryter posted:Any member of the Labour party, the affiliated unions or the registered supporters who paid a couple of quid to vote could pick any day within the past month to spend literally seconds filling out a ballot, and the winner was then decided on a one member, one vote basis. Are you honestly claiming to believe that the delegate system, staggered primaries and caucuses and the associated campaigning that Democratic candidates will go through is in any way comparable? yes because the delegates are representatives of how people voted in the primaries, much like how the electoral college generally reflects the percentage of people who voted for president. obviously im not defending the electoral college here, which is retarded and fails drastically in close races, but what you are describing could also be phrased as people vote for representatives to vote for their candidate and it happens over a period of time while debates occur. its not really that arcane or difficult to suss out
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Sep 12, 2015 18:59
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steinrokkan posted:And by 80% you mean 60 & dropping. 70 but, yes, dropping That said, I think on the whole the candidate who wins the Democratic nomination will be the candidate who is more popular with Democrats
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Sep 12, 2015 18:59
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Bob Ojeda posted:70 at one point mccain could barely afford gas for the straight talk express, was polling single digits and was wildly unpopular for his support for immigration reform if you are making certain predictions at this point in the primaries you are a loving idiot, sorry (not sorry)
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Sep 12, 2015 19:01
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TEAYCHES posted:pretty hosed up thing to say on the page of cornel west I like the sound of this "love train" and want to hear more.
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Sep 12, 2015 19:05
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TEAYCHES posted:yes because the delegates are representatives of how people voted in the primaries, much like how the electoral college generally reflects the percentage of people who voted for president. obviously im not defending the electoral college here, which is retarded and fails drastically in close races, but what you are describing could also be phrased as people vote for representatives to vote for their candidate and it happens over a period of time while debates occur. its not really that arcane or difficult to suss out Not the people in winner take all states and it's important to keep in mind that the people voting are different people (it is not the same wide net as the Labour election in which anyone with three quid and three minutes could have a say). And the Labour election had no staggering of different regions, no superdelegates, nothing like the same campaigning, nothing like the same advertising et cetera, et cetera, et cetera... The comparison fails at every turn pal.
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Sep 12, 2015 19:13
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Trump: it is so much easier for Muslims to get into U.S. from Syria than it is for Christians
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Just a pep moment, related to elections but not the US: Jeremy "admitted socialist" Corbyn just won the Labour (UK democrats) leadership elections with 59.4% of the total vote: he did not have the majority of the member votes, had a strong majority of associated (unions) member votes, and 90%+ of the supporter (anyone willing to pay the £5 voting fee) vote: even if he had no votes from members of the labor establishment he would have won. This is following months of hit-pieces from labour members, every paper (including light-neoliberal ones), and past leaders of both Labour and Tory (UK republicans) warning that he would bring about the end-times. Andy Burnham, neoliberal who adopted Corbyn policies after his polularity was made blatant, trailed with 19.5% of the vote. Liz Kendall, neoliberal Labour Establishment favorite with a strong vote presence in the elected member vote, flatlined with 4% of the vote. Let this be a moment of celebration, and savor the realization of the hope that we leftists in America can match the fighting spirit of the UK's leftists; we -can- win elections, our financial policies -are- shared with the populace, and we -don't- have to "settle" for right-wing candidates. Our only barrier is our own apathy and fatalism. Whoever you choose to vote for in these primaries, ensure that you are voting with confidence that this candidate represents your values best, and that you will not yield to unfounded fears that you are alone and must settle for inaction or compromise.
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Bryter posted:Not the people in winner take all states and it's important to keep in mind that the people voting are different people (it is not the same wide net as the Labour election in which anyone with three quid and three minutes could have a say). And the Labour election had no staggering of different regions, no superdelegates, nothing like the same campaigning, nothing like the same advertising et cetera, et cetera, et cetera... The comparison fails at every turn pal. the act of voting in the democratic primaries itself is easy enough and if sanders gets the most votes in the most states he will win the primaries. the superdelegates arent going to vote against the majority nominee
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Neurolimal posted:Just a pep moment, related to elections but not the US: Jeremy "admitted socialist" Corbyn just won the Labour (UK democrats) leadership elections with 59.4% of the total vote: he did not have the majority of the member votes, had a strong majority of associated (unions) member votes, and 90%+ of the supporter (anyone willing to pay the £5 voting fee) vote: even if he had no votes from members of the labor establishment he would have won. This is following months of hit-pieces from labour members, every paper (including light-neoliberal ones), and past leaders of both Labour and Tory (UK republicans) warning that he would bring about the end-times. 
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Montasque posted:Bernie and Trump are fun outsiders who have tapped into populist energy, but they are vying for the leadership of entrenched massive political machines. mike huckabee: a top candidate for president
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Dante80 posted:I've read about this guy that he is a very polarizing figure to african americans, mainly due to his opposition to the Obama presidency after the first four years. The only demographic group with enough name recognition of Cornel West to have any effect on their opinions is college philosophy majors.
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Also people who really have a thing for the matrix movies.
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