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sullat posted:Do we still have health insurance during the shutdown? Should be the same as with a standard administrative furlough. Your coverage won't lapse, but they'll pull more out of your next paycheck to cover any pay periods you miss. (You can also opt to pay for it yourself, but I don't know how easy that would be to set up during the shutdown.) Atahualpa fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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The timing of this shutdown is just....just the absolute worst for my job search. I literally got my terminal diploma in the mail on Thursday. Of course, there are a lot of other people in far, far worse situations, but on a personal level it's pretty drat depressing.
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Jan 22, 2018 18:19
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Maybe there will be a bunch of retirements and a bunch of jobs opening up soon because older workers are just fed up with the b.s.? Trying to look on the bright side here
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Jan 22, 2018 18:49
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Slaan posted:Maybe there will be a bunch of retirements and a bunch of jobs opening up soon because older workers are just fed up with the b.s.? There isn't even a slight chance that workers retiring will open up slots 1 for 1 in the government. We're operating with less people than 20 years ago but we're still too big, somehow.
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Jan 22, 2018 19:01
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Just as i wrestle my box of office plants in the door at home I hear on NPR that the shutdown is ending. Not like we ever get anything done on meeting Monday anyway!
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Jan 22, 2018 19:17
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Discendo Vox posted:The timing of this shutdown is just....just the absolute worst for my job search. I literally got my terminal diploma in the mail on Thursday. Of course, there are a lot of other people in far, far worse situations, but on a personal level it's pretty drat depressing. There's no way this will have a noticeable affect on your job search. The hiring process takes months and usa jobs will continue running on autopilot for the hours or days the shutdown lasts.
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Jan 22, 2018 19:31
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Discendo Vox posted:The timing of this shutdown is just....just the absolute worst for my job search. I literally got my terminal diploma in the mail on Thursday. Of course, there are a lot of other people in far, far worse situations, but on a personal level it's pretty drat depressing. What talented to the phd
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Splish posted:Just as i wrestle my box of office plants in the door at home I hear on NPR that the shutdown is ending. Not like we ever get anything done on meeting Monday anyway! I tearfully watered my plants in the office this morning, never sure if I'd see them again. (I had to go in just to sign a thing that says I'm officially furloughed.)
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Jan 22, 2018 19:51
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Splish posted:Just as i wrestle my box of office plants in the door at home I hear on NPR that the shutdown is ending. Not like we ever get anything done on meeting Monday anyway! Yeah I cancelled all of my meetings for the week and gave warnings to folks for the next month just in time to hear that I'm supposed to go back in tomorrow.
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Jan 22, 2018 19:53
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PneumonicBook posted:There isn't even a slight chance that workers retiring will open up slots 1 for 1 in the government. We're operating with less people than 20 years ago but we're still too big, somehow. We just had 10% of my office of around 250 people retire before the start of the year. Many are planning to retire this or next year as well, or leave the government altogether. Any plans in backfilling the positions has been turned down by upper management.
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Slaan posted:Maybe there will be a bunch of retirements and a bunch of jobs opening up soon because older workers are just fed up with the b.s.? My office lost a bunch of specialists last year and they have yet to replace them. When asking management about replacements at a town hall meeting, we got told "We're having conversations to address the situation."
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Jan 22, 2018 20:08
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A guy could dream. A dream that you smashed without pity. Federales really are monsters 
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Leviathan Song posted:There's no way this will have a noticeable affect on your job search. The hiring process takes months and usa jobs will continue running on autopilot for the hours or days the shutdown lasts. You're right, mostly venting about the overarching timing. I found out that I'd be graduating now, right after the 2016 election. It's not been a great ride. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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I had a great week, starting and ending with interviews for two jobs I applied to in mid-December. What the hell is this? A reasonable turnaround time in federal hiring? Fortunately, that means I am now already to the sweet, sweet "never hearing anything again" phase of federal hiring that normally takes much longer to reach. If you have enough interviews that do not get you a job, can you trade them in for a Time Off Award?
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Jan 23, 2018 01:43
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Had some correspondence with the hiring manager at FDA, he said "Your package was sent to HR on 12January. I was hoping you had heard something, but I will keep following up on my end and let you know when I hear something." Presumably that's good news, right?
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As I do so love to complain about occasionally, I have discovered I am apparently anathema to federal interviews, and it is looking increasingly like I will never actually be able to get out of my current job the "normal" way (or move up in my current job for that matter). The day is finally near when my wife needs to move for her new job as her current contract has hit its final extension, and while a few months apart is hardly going to kill us, I am not willing to just sit for the rest of my life across the country from my wife and adorable baby. So I suspect the only way I am going to be able to move without just outright quitting this job is with a hardship transfer. So yeah, it has been a year and a half since Must Love Dogs and Beerdeer talked to me about hardship transfers, and I still have their discussions in mind, but does anyone else have experience with them? Particularly outside the military, as I cannot help but assume the process must at least be a little different for civilian employees.
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sparkmaster posted:I'd say a good 70% of temporary job postings in the land management agencies have some sort of government housing available. Isn't luxurious, but it's cheap and livable. Just having any temp experience, even if its not in a position you want to do long term, is going to help you. I think you can catch on someplace doing something. Good luck! This is from a while back, but it turns out you were right! I've sent out so many applications and heard nothing back that I had pretty much given up on getting anything. But then this week I heard back from three separate people about positions, and one of them offered me the job! It's with the Forest Service. And it's in a pretty nice place too. Unfortunately they don't provide housing, but it's actually not that far away from where I currently live so it probably wouldn't be too much trouble finding a place. It's GS 03, so I'm not exactly making bank here, but whatever. I do not like my current job at all and only do it to pay the bills, and I was dreading having to work it for who knows how long until I found something better, but it looks like I won't have to do it for too much longer! 
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Ey Forest Service buddy! I'm looking for seasonal work too in the agency too. What type of work are you in?
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Dr. Quarex posted:As I do so love to complain about occasionally, I have discovered I am apparently anathema to federal interviews, and it is looking increasingly like I will never actually be able to get out of my current job the "normal" way (or move up in my current job for that matter). The day is finally near when my wife needs to move for her new job as her current contract has hit its final extension, and while a few months apart is hardly going to kill us, I am not willing to just sit for the rest of my life across the country from my wife and adorable baby. So I suspect the only way I am going to be able to move without just outright quitting this job is with a hardship transfer. I think this can be very agency specific, but I'm also interested in info because I'll probably be in the same situation soon (following my wife as she has to move for greater opportunities). The anecdotal evidence I've heard is thay they try to make hardship transfers work because the agency would rather keep a decent emoployee in its ranks than just go without (and likely be unable to hire a replacement for you). Common knowledge: Apparently if you transfer, your office permanently loses a line of funding for that employee (i.e they can't replace you), while the receiving office gains funding amd an employee? This is one of those insane govt budgeting things I still don't understand. Thesaurus fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Feb 3, 2018 |
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Thesaurus posted:Common knowledge: Apparently if you transfer, your office permanently loses a line of funding for that employee (i.e they can't replace you), while the receiving office gains funding amd an employee? This is one of those insane govt budgeting things I still don't understand. This is not always the case but it can be highly dependent on current openings in the gaining/losing offices or current budget considerations (like constant CRs). When I did my hardship transfer in late 2016 both the gaining and losing office had available vacancies so neither lost a line of funding on their table of organization, but YMMV. I am the third person in my division and job series to hardship transfer to my post to take care of their parents so if you can document something like that it definitely counts in your favor. I had PM'd Dr. Quarex how mine went down and if anyone else is interested I can send the specifics of the process to you as well. In times when the losing office would permanently lose the spot via transfer the supervisors or higher elements of the chain of command will deny the transfer in order to be able to say HQ made them lose the spot so HQ has to provide a body or keep the opening available. This happened to one of my coworkers who is still trying to hardship transfer. The gaining office opted to fill the spot he was going to get through direct hire because HQ wouldn't guarantee the losing office that the spot would continue to exist. Head of the office was forced to deny his transfer in order to keep the division from losing the spot permanently. We had already been forced to eat all the vacancies we couldn't fill in FY17 because of the CR situation, so they weren't willing to lose more. Slig fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Feb 3, 2018 |
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That is all good news to me since I cannot fathom my office with hundreds of people just like me would care that much even if they did lose funding for one position. Particularly since there are always vacancies at my office, and you would need a vacancy available elsewhere to transfer out, so, perfect! Other than the fact of having to do this in the first place, anyway. Stupid Dunning-Kruger, why did they have to bring me in without an interview originally? Five seconds in a room with me and they clearly would have said "wow, no, you do not belong here. Not sure where you DO belong, but not here"
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lmao did we just shut down again?
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Thesaurus posted:lmao did we just shut down again? Yes...maybe. Just for a bit though.
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Am I the only one who's stopped following the shutdown news? It happens too often to register anymore. I've got an emergency fund and if I'm supposed to go home the paperwork will show up eventually.
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Leviathan Song posted:Am I the only one who's stopped following the shutdown news? It happens too often to register anymore. I've got an emergency fund and if I'm supposed to go home the paperwork will show up eventually. I wish. I can't since I have to work with a bunch of grantees expecting updates on if we have funding for them or not.
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I woke up to a recorded call and text from my agency breathlessly informing me that although congress has passed the bill, the president hasn't signed it, so stay home! I proceeded to get ready for work and by the time I was out of the shower I get the REPORT FOR DUTY text. *just fed things* I imagine a lot of east coast people were late to work today
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Suggestions for negotiating starting salary step? My tentative offer said GS-11 step 1. My friends who work for different agencies suggested asking for the step that's just below GS-12 step 1. However, GS-11 step 7 is $97 above while step 6 is $2171 lower, so I feel like I should just ask for 7.
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We just got an email saying the agency is open, but we were also told, "the office will be open for the remainder of the day today and employees may work today, but are not required. The decision not to remain on duty today will not impact pay."
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Josh Lyman posted:Suggestions for negotiating starting salary step? My tentative offer said GS-11 step 1. My friends who work for different agencies suggested asking for the step that's just below GS-12 step 1. However, GS-11 step 7 is $97 above while step 6 is $2171 lower, so I feel like I should just ask for 7. Are you on a career ladder that will promote you to GS-12 after your year is up?
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TheMadMilkman posted:Are you on a career ladder that will promote you to GS-12 after your year is up?
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Josh Lyman posted:The posting says GS-11/12 with promotion potential to 13. I don't recall any mention of promotion to 12 after 1 year because we didn't discuss salary at all during the interviews, but my friends at DOT and EPA seem to assume that would happen. If the promotion potential is 13, that is what your ladder is and you should move from 11 to 12 in one year, then 12 to 13 the year after that (as long as your performance is good). The posting being 11/12 just means you can be hired at either grade level depending on your qualifications.
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Josh Lyman posted:The posting says GS-11/12 with promotion potential to 13. I don't recall any mention of promotion to 12 after 1 year because we didn't discuss salary at all during the interviews, but my friends at DOT and EPA seem to assume that would happen. Ya, that's an 11/12 ladder. So what you can negotiate might be affected by the 2 step rule. Basically, when you get a grade promotion, they take your current step, add 2 steps to it, and pay you the lowest amount in the new grade that exceeds that amount. Anything above GS-11 step 4 would result in you getting at least a GS-12 step 2 when you get your ladder promotion after a year. It may be hard to negotiate something above that. On the other hand, if you could get step 4, that's an extra $6k in your first year. Midge the Jet posted:If the promotion potential is 13, that is what your ladder is and you should move from 11 to 12 in one year, then 12 to 13 the year after that (as long as your performance is good). Not necessarily. For example, compliance officers in the IRS have "promotional potential" to GS-11, but there are a limited number of 11 positions, and you have to apply and compete for them when they become open. TheMadMilkman fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Feb 9, 2018 |
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some listings may differentiate between "full performance level" and "promotion potential." full performance indicates a ladder to that point, while promotion potential means you likely have to compete
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edit e-mailed my direct manager asking for higher starting salary step oh god 
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Oh gross, I literally did not understand that, thank you for pointing this out. I have been treating "promotion potential" jobs as though they work the same. I definitely have a few applications I will now need to pass on interviews for if I get them...yeah, a different GS-9 job with the potential to compete for an 11 just like I am currently failing to do? SIGN ME UUUUUPPPPPPppppppppppp
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Dr. S.O. Feelgood posted:This is from a while back, but it turns out you were right! I've sent out so many applications and heard nothing back that I had pretty much given up on getting anything. But then this week I heard back from three separate people about positions, and one of them offered me the job! It's with the Forest Service. And it's in a pretty nice place too. Unfortunately they don't provide housing, but it's actually not that far away from where I currently live so it probably wouldn't be too much trouble finding a place. It's GS 03, so I'm not exactly making bank here, but whatever. I do not like my current job at all and only do it to pay the bills, and I was dreading having to work it for who knows how long until I found something better, but it looks like I won't have to do it for too much longer!  Glad you could bag something for this season. Mind if I ask what you are doing? Timber, trails, fire, bio stuff? Either way, you now have a foot in the door. This is a huge step. Don't let Paycheck8 get you down too much.
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Anyone here in the DEA, particularly as a Diversion Investigator? Interviewed the other day and, while I have no idea if/when an offer might be extended, I just had general questions I didn’t get a chance to ask. Per the above questions, I think this is GS 7-9 with promotion potential of 13 (which I guess means this maxes out at 13?) Any info/opinions are welcome, the more info I can get at this point, the better.
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TheMadMilkman posted:Ya, that's an 11/12 ladder.
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It's infrastructure week! https://federalnewsradio.com/your-money/2018/02/trump-proposes-pay-freeze-new-and-familiar-retirement-cuts-in-2019-budget/
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Josh Lyman posted:Just to clarify, a GS-11/12 posting with promotion potential to 13 means I should "automatically" get GS-12 after 1 year but 13 will require competition assuming there's a 13 position available, right? I ask because GS-11 step 1 is a poo poo salary while GS-12 step 1 is okay, but I might not be able to get a competing offer letter quickly enough to use as documentation for a higher starting step. DOWN WITH JOSH LYMAN no I know what you mean, I have often said I would be willing to sign something saying I would never complain about my job again if they would just promote me to GS-11/12 already since 12 is more money than I ever thought I would make in my hating-the-profit-motive life anyway. (but yes, that is what 11/12 means)
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