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jBrereton posted:Hey, remember when the NHS was created, colonialism was (slowly) dismantled, millions of houses were built, industries were nationalised, and a tax rate of 98% occurred due to the agitation of Tarquin and Jemimah's SWSS splinter vanguard? Remember how 2017 isn't 1947?
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Lot of that stuff wasn't even consensus politics until after it happened.
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jBrereton posted:Not very much of that stuff was 40s policy, the houses mostly came under the Tories in the fifties, nationalisation was spread over a very long time, and the 83+15% taxation was a sixties phenomenon. Same parliament though. Mostly the same Brits at the end of the day. Maybe it's not a structural problem. Yes, there wasn't a massive change to the post war consensus in say...1979? loving Hell you're being pedantic.
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The only chance Labour has of coming back nationally in 2020 (keeping in mind they will very likely keep their seats today) is to come up with a (1) new policy that people it turns out think they really want. And that is so simple and direct that it's impossible to gently caress up the messaging of or look like they're picking over the bones of some Liberal or Tory idea. I dunno what that is, though! (Full Communism Now it probably ain't, Keep GM Banned when the US trade deal comes a-knocking it might be, idk)
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jabby posted:Might be true, doesn't mean it wasn't the best available position. Abstaining was available and a better choice, FYI. Result in Stoke coming shortly
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Feb 24, 2017 03:00
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"Tar and Feather Tony Blair"
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Parliament is good actually and a lot of good can come from it, but only if you win!
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jBrereton posted:The only chance Labour has of coming back nationally in 2020 (keeping in mind they will very likely keep their seats today) is to come up with a (1) new policy that people it turns out think they really want. And that is so simple and direct that it's impossible to gently caress up the messaging of or look like they're picking over the bones of some Liberal or Tory idea. You never got around to a (2). But frankly if (1) was all that came to your mind then it's probably a blessing.
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forkboy84 posted:Yes, there wasn't a massive change to the post war consensus in say...1979? loving Hell you're being pedantic. jBrereton fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Feb 24, 2017 |
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Tesseraction posted:You never got around to a (2).
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Comrade Cheggorsky posted:Parliament is good actually and a lot of good can come from it, but only if you win!
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/834948635251073024 nuttall: scuttled https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/834948902239502336
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Guavanaut posted:Allowing GM sounds like a good idea if you're planning on a later expropriation of all biopatents, whereas banning it upfront when there are new deals sounds the opposite. LemonDrizzle posted:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/834948635251073024
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Kokoro Wish posted:Wonder what the turnout of the electorate was.
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2% swing. That's all UKIP could managed despite throwing the kitchen sink at Stoke. loving lol.
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/834948635251073024 the Lib Dems fight back continues. With this progress they'll be holding onto their deposits all over the country. Who didn't run this time that ran last time?
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How do you get 9.6% gains for 4.4% losses? Did someone not stand?
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jBrereton posted:The move towards a tightening of the budget generally, pay restraint for workers, and freer capital controls happened under Callahan, pinning that stuff solely on Thatcher is a mistake, even though both her admirers and enemies love to blame her for it. Stop being a loving pedant. The exact year doesn't matter, the PM doesn't matter, the fact that the post war consensus (which only came about because of rather extraordinary circumstances) ended at some point before I was born sort of seems the major point. Quite a lot has changed in the past 40 years, in the media, in politics, in attitudes, etc. If the financial crisis wasn't an end point for our current mess then I simply do not believe that the sort of change I want to see cannot be achieved by Westminster in the current atmosphere. Corbyn was a good chance for giving it a go but, as much as Corbyn has done a pish job at articulating the desperate need for socialism, even if he was as smooth as Blair in his peak it'd be an overwhelmingly difficult job, as good as impossible.
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forkboy84 posted:Stop being a loving pedant. The exact year doesn't matter, the PM doesn't matter, the fact that the post war consensus (which only came about because of rather extraordinary circumstances) ended at some point before I was born sort of seems the major point. Quite a lot has changed in the past 40 years, in the media, in politics, in attitudes, etc. nice meltdown
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OwlFancier posted:How do you get 9.6% gains for 4.4% losses?
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Comrade Cheggorsky posted:nice meltdown Saying loving isn't the sign of a meltdown, but thanks?
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OwlFancier posted:How do you get 9.6% gains for 4.4% losses? An independent managed to keep his deposit in 2015. Also, lol, the Loonies got more votes than the BNP.
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TinTower posted:An independent managed to keep his deposit in 2015. At last, some good news.
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forkboy84 posted:Stop being a loving pedant. The exact year doesn't matter, the PM doesn't matter, the fact that the post war consensus (which only came about because of rather extraordinary circumstances) ended at some point before I was born sort of seems the major point. Quite a lot has changed in the past 40 years, in the media, in politics, in attitudes, etc.
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Found the guy who ran as an independent in 2015. Judging by his tweets, he sounds very UKIP, making the UKIP swing even more laughable. I wonder how long it'll be before the knives are out for Nuttall.
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forkboy84 posted:Stop being a loving pedant. The exact year doesn't matter, the PM doesn't matter, the fact that the post war consensus (which only came about because of rather extraordinary circumstances) ended at some point before I was born sort of seems the major point. Quite a lot has changed in the past 40 years, in the media, in politics, in attitudes, etc. Notions of how much tax should be paid were different, the creation of the NHS was not actually agreed to be A Good Thing by some Conservatives although they begrudgingly noted its popularity, education was not really an area of consensus except in the very immediate postwar election (and I mean you still had Tories asking for grammar schools and labour telling them to gently caress off in 2016), and civil rights questions like the death penalty, homosexuality, censorship in general were pretty different between the parties. It's a misleading idea. There was an understanding that the government probably had to pay for some industrial redevelopment postwar since it was mainly bombed to absolute fuckery and in many cases decrepit 10s/20s/30s plant if left standing, but beyond that?? Less agreement than there is made out to be, and a series of policy decisions by governments that became The New Rules afterwards. Gotta have an NHS (Labour). Gotta fight colonial wars (Tories). Can't reinstate the death penalty (Labour). Then after the end of the 'consensus' period you have Sell Everything And Rent It Back, Who Cares? (Tories). Gotta get as many people into uni as possible (Labour). Brexit Means Brexit (Tories). S'why Labour needs something forward looking in the run up to 2020!
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