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Chillgamesh posted:I think Y'shtola or maybe one of the twins mentions in an incidental non-quest dialogue they're actually a direct democracy, not a representative democracy They mention that Sharlayan was a direct democracy and that the majority of their systems and policies were voted in through this, then they voted to establish the Forum composed of 99 members. It looks like they transitioned to a representative democracy from a direct democracy by will of the people, potentially because as their population grew that system might've begun becoming unwieldy but maybe it'll be a major plot point come Endwalker.
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Rand Brittain posted:Odin has always been weird and doesn't seem to obey any of the "normal" rules for how primals function. I'm of the belief that this might actually be intentional, and Save the Queen and Zantetsuken/Shin-Zantetsuken might be related. Consider that they are all overly long, kinda jaggedy blades that summon primals to some degree, and all seem to originate from a very specific distant corner of the world; katanas are known to be a Far Eastern weapon, with Zantetsuken being a clearly Far Eastern name, while we also know Save the Queen to be from the Ivalice region. We know that Odin (and therefore presumably Raiden) dates back to the Allagan Empire. So I suspect that Zantetsuken and Shin-Zantetsuken are imperfect efforts at creating Save the Queen, but I'm not sure which would've come first. Either they made Save the Queen, lost it, and tried recreating it with Eureka, or they had an idea, Eureka proved unfit, and later they learned auracite could do they job.
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May 26, 2021 11:26
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Moofia Boss Val posted:I remembered the part about trying to find the hidden treasure room to kickstart Ala Mhigo's economy but I didn't remember that. ZenMasterBullshit posted:Moofia can't read There's been a lot of real estate on the game any time Ala Mhigos history is brought up about how hosed up the Mad King was.
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May 26, 2021 11:42
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Moofia Boss Val posted:A king is invested in the fate of his country. It is in his selfinterest to ensure the wellbeing and prosperity of his people and his land. The king cannot easily walk away from his kingdom when things go south; his fate is anchored to it. If his people revolt or his kingdom is invaded, he and his family will most likely die. The king is extremely motivated to act in the best interests of his kingdom. this is insane, keep going
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May 26, 2021 13:43
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Look it's either this or five months of complaining about the quality and quantity of Zenos appearances
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May 26, 2021 13:47
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multijoe posted:Look it's either this or five months of complaining about the quality and quantity of Zenos appearances If we're gonna argue about that, I'm going to demand all arguments provide a graph showing the average quantity and quality of both from their perspective. The monarchy vs. democracy argument doesn't have a burden of graphs, but only because I'm not sure how one would graph kingliness.
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May 26, 2021 13:51
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The mad king turned his family into monsters to avoid them betraying him. Think that fits the mad description. You fight said family members in the dungeon to get the treasure
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May 26, 2021 13:53
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Twibbit posted:The mad king turned his family into monsters to avoid them betraying him. Think that fits the mad description. You fight said family members in the dungeon to get the treasure yeah but just think of what he would have done to them if he was the president instead
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May 26, 2021 13:54
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Cleretic posted:If we're gonna argue about that, I'm going to demand all arguments provide a graph showing the average quantity and quality of both from their perspective. Bottom of scale King Moogle Mog Top of Scale Allison from K6BD.
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May 26, 2021 14:06
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multijoe posted:Look it's either this or five months of complaining about the quality and quantity of Zenos appearances I like the look of his scythe.
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May 26, 2021 14:11
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Cleretic posted:Okay, so I grabbed the notes that mention Emmerololth! Also contains some good stuff on Eureka and the fact it's essentially creation magic, so here, have it all. Hmm, was it discovered by the ascians, or did someone in Sharalyan leak it to them, in part to get rid of a political rival? Edit: Cleretic posted:
Fabulousness of facial hair? (Which would put Wilhelm II near the top, hmm).
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May 26, 2021 14:53
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stev posted:I like the look of his scythe. Gun scythe!! I also appreciate that he got an outfit makeover. I let out an "aaawwww yeah" when meanwhile in the capital popped up Moofia is this a gimmick?
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May 26, 2021 15:03
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hazardousmouse posted:Moofia is this a gimmick? I gotta say, pretending to forget entire swathes of the game and then making poo poo up whole cloth to support posts like like "Monarchism Is Good" or "Forchenault Did Nothing Wrong, Except Live In A Democracy" is kinda funny
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May 26, 2021 15:27
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Chillgamesh posted:I gotta say, pretending to forget entire swathes of the game and then making poo poo up whole cloth to support posts like like "Monarchism Is Good" or "Forchenault Did Nothing Wrong, Except Live In A Democracy" is kinda funny "-sigh- I once again can't believe how biased the game is towards democracy" is possibly the strongest.
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May 26, 2021 15:44
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I sigh as I draw my royal proclamation
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Yeah it is funny but in a way that makes me recoil violently. Which Is a disconcerting sensation
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May 26, 2021 15:49
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hazardousmouse posted:Gun scythe!! I also appreciate that he got an outfit makeover. I let out an "aaawwww yeah" when meanwhile in the capital popped up I don't even like Zenos, and I did the same thing. The 'Meanwhile' scenes in Shadowbringers were always great, in large part because they lasted for exactly the right length of time that a Zenos scene remains interesting.
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May 26, 2021 15:51
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hazardousmouse posted:Yeah it is funny but in a way that makes me recoil violently. Which Is a disconcerting sensation
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May 26, 2021 15:52
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He only started to get into fun mode again in the 5.55 cutscene but at least, at long last, he's out of that friggin chair
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May 26, 2021 15:53
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The two sweetest phrases in FFXIV are "several cutscenes will play in sequence" and "Meanwhile, in the Imperial Capital..."
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May 26, 2021 16:43
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zenos!!! stop dicking around in the patch-ending stinger and come fight me you coward!!!!
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May 26, 2021 16:56
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He's dicking around cause that's how he gets our attention. Poor dude is so busted he literally doesn't know any other way of getting us to come over other than committing atrocities
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May 26, 2021 17:00
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Well it's also that he wants us pissed/giving it our all, rather then "oh, you again, lets just get this over with." I'm worried he's going to off someone we do genuinely care about. (Or well, at least most players care about.) e: Now I'm imagining Zenos killing someone he thinks we care about, but don't actually. Zenos, standing infront of a village of slain Namazu: "Does this boil your blood, dear friend? Is your thirst for vengence great?" WoL: -shrug-
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May 26, 2021 17:05
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Just want to point out that Sharlayan is technically a representative technocracy, not a true democracy.
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May 26, 2021 17:08
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hazardousmouse posted:He's dicking around cause that's how he gets our attention. Poor dude is so busted he literally doesn't know any other way of getting us to come over other than committing atrocities He doesn't just want a sparring match, he wants the the greatest title fight ever. The match of the I don't think he even cares if he wins or loses the fight. Its not like there is any meaning in his life left after it anyways.
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May 26, 2021 17:12
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Fister Roboto posted:Just want to point out that Sharlayan is technically a representative technocracy, not a true democracy. Sigh, typical, always talking up how great popular representation is until bad things happen and suddenly it’s “that wasn’t a REAL democracy” 
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May 26, 2021 17:12
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Oxyclean posted:Well it's also that he wants us pissed/giving it our all, rather then "oh, you again, lets just get this over with." It's fun playing guess who could die. I think Y'shtola is safe because she's the FFXIV rep in other SE stuff. Thancred just had an entire expansion full of death flags and he survived so I think he's safe. Urianger wouldn't properly enrage people. G'raha is an easy target to kill and piss people off given how many love him, however he doesn't really throw up any flags lately. I think it's Alphinaud after doing the patch.
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May 26, 2021 17:13
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Chillgamesh posted:Sigh, typical, always talking up how great popular representation is until bad things happen and suddenly it’s “that wasn’t a REAL democracy” Real democracy has never been tried
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May 26, 2021 17:13
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Eimi posted:It's fun playing guess who could die. I think Y'shtola is safe because she's the FFXIV rep in other SE stuff. Thancred just had an entire expansion full of death flags and he survived so I think he's safe. Urianger wouldn't properly enrage people. G'raha is an easy target to kill and piss people off given how many love him, however he doesn't really throw up any flags lately. I think it's Alphinaud after doing the patch. Oh no I feel like alph is off limits which means it's alisae 
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Eimi posted:It's fun playing guess who could die. I think Y'shtola is safe because she's the FFXIV rep in other SE stuff. Thancred just had an entire expansion full of death flags and he survived so I think he's safe. Urianger wouldn't properly enrage people. G'raha is an easy target to kill and piss people off given how many love him, however he doesn't really throw up any flags lately. I think it's Alphinaud after doing the patch. G'raha has tried to sacrifice himself to save the world three times, I think he's pretty much safe until he exits the story again. One of the twins seems like the best bet, they've been the most consistently in focus so it would be a real gut punch. hazardousmouse posted:Oh no The fact that Alphinaud is essentially the secondary protagonist makes it more likely that he'll die in this, the finale of the Hydaelyn/Zodiark story!
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hazardousmouse posted:Oh no Begemot posted:G'raha has tried to sacrifice himself to save the world three times, I think he's pretty much safe until he exits the story again. One of the twins seems like the best bet, they've been the most consistently in focus so it would be a real gut punch. Yeah, Alisaie gets the outfit change, but also this patch was just full of Alphinaud death flags. I can easily see him sacrificing himself to prevent some other loss because he's seen too many people die for him to allow it anymore.
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May 26, 2021 17:22
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Dear Mr. Yoship, there are too many twins nowadays. Please eliminate one. I am not a crackpot.
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May 26, 2021 17:24
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Moenbryda Wilfsunnwyn is coming back in 6.0! Please look forward to it!
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May 26, 2021 17:24
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We're gonna have a big battle with Fandaniel and Zenos, who manifest both Hydaelyn and Zodiark, and in order to prevent another Sundering from happening, Alphinaud and Alisaie will sacrifice themselves to become the new Elidibus and Venat, take control of the twin Gods, and have them permanently seal each other away.
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May 26, 2021 17:27
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Chillgamesh posted:We're gonna have a big battle with Fandaniel and Zenos, who manifest both Hydaelyn and Zodiark, and in order to prevent another Sundering from happening, Alphinaud and Alisaie will sacrifice themselves to become the new Elidibus and Venat, take control of the twin Gods, and have them permanently seal each other away. Oooh, that's good.
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Arist posted:Dear Mr. Yoship, there are too many twins nowadays. Please eliminate one. I am not a crackpot. Look if Zenos wants to kill someone who will turn both the WoL and the player into frothing berserkers, it's one of them.
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May 26, 2021 17:29
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honestly I think since the arc is concluding they might for once address the consequences of y'shtola cheating death so many times and have her choose to go out with a bang instead of a whimper
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May 26, 2021 17:30
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In 6.0 Y’shtola will cast Flow and finally land where she meant to go
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May 26, 2021 17:33
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Maybe we'll finally get to see the Twins use Twincast.  
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I think the entire group of Scions should elect to sacrifice themselves to save the world.
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