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Vizuyos posted:I don't really think it hurts the early strips very much to have that spoiled. Prior to the reveal, there isn't really anything that depends on the Snarl story being secret from the reader. 1, 0, 2, -1, 3, 4, 5... etc. But it's not a huge deal.
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Vizuyos posted:I don't really think it hurts the early strips very much to have that spoiled. Prior to the reveal, there isn't really anything that depends on the Snarl story being secret from the reader. I mean, it pretty drastically recontextualizes everything to do with the first gate.
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Dec 2, 2021 04:44
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Gate? What gate?
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AnoHito posted:We've seen that whether a dwarf died with honor is generally decided by a debate between Hel and the god in question that wants to lobby for them, so the loophole works as well as Loki can argue for it. Given Loki is the god of cheating, lying, and tricking people, I think his dwarven followers have a pretty good chance of making it work. Don't recall, who adjudicates these debates and picks the winner? Odin?
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SuperKlaus posted:Don't recall, who adjudicates these debates and picks the winner? Odin? I don't think there's an arbiter. I think it runs on internet argument rules - whoever stops arguing first (presumably to go attend to other, more pressing Godly matters) loses.
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SuperKlaus posted:Don't recall, who adjudicates these debates and picks the winner? Odin? We don't know if anyone does. The one instance of that we saw was during special circumstances, when all the other gods were busy and Loki and Thor were just using their right to contest the fate of souls as an excuse to barge in and keep an eye on Hel.
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ultrafilter posted:Start of Darkness is $4.24 at Ookoodook right now. No idea how long the sale lasts, but it's not going to get cheaper than that any time soon. Absolutely get that, but I've been waiting forever for a reprint of Good Deeds Go Unpunished. It's not like that Dragon book where there's some problems with reprinting it, so I don't know why they don't.
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sebmojo posted:it's so good Is there any PDF version, or is it book only?
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Noah posted:Is there any PDF version, or is it book only? https://richburlew.gumroad.com/l/ootssod Looks to have a PDF version.
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Noah posted:Is there any PDF version, or is it book only? Gumroad: https://richburlew.gumroad.com/l/ootssod beaten ironically it currently costs three times as much as the paper version lol
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Dec 2, 2021 21:16
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With shipping, same price really. On the way.
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Dec 2, 2021 22:03
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I want to get some more stickers, note pads, and a coloring book, but I can't bring myself to pay $10 in shipping on a $5 purchase. 
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HisMajestyBOB posted:I want to get some more stickers, note pads, and a coloring book, but I can't bring myself to pay $10 in shipping on a $5 purchase. Same here, except because I'm outside the US, it'd be $20 in shipping. I wanted to buy a couple books as a gift, but the ones I want have been sold out since at least September.
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Start of Darkness arrived, and I'm gonna go against the grain here and say I was not that impressed. I don't think the quality of the binding was up to par, I already have pages falling out. I am aware that the book is not required to know whats happening in the greater plot, but I guess I still wanted a little more out of it.
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Noah posted:Start of Darkness arrived, and I'm gonna go against the grain here and say I was not that impressed. I don't think the quality of the binding was up to par, I already have pages falling out. I am aware that the book is not required to know whats happening in the greater plot, but I guess I still wanted a little more out of it. surprised about the binding, my books have been absolutely munted by my daughter reading them over and over, and they're all dogeared but still solid. might be worth dropping rich a line, he'd probably want to know (if you can be bothered, obv)
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Noah posted:Start of Darkness arrived, and I'm gonna go against the grain here and say I was not that impressed. I don't think the quality of the binding was up to par, I already have pages falling out. I am aware that the book is not required to know whats happening in the greater plot, but I guess I still wanted a little more out of it. My copy of Start of Darkness is the same way. I got it with Origin of the PCs and that one is holding up fine, but wow did Start of Darkness just crumble.
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My copy is like thirteen years old and near-mint. Genuinely, you got it from a bum printer and I doubt Rich knows he's using one. E: On further inspection it's a little on the dog-eared side, but I don't think I can fault the printer on that account. Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Dec 10, 2021 |
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:My copy is like thirteen years old and near-mint. Genuinely, you got it from a bum printer and I doubt Rich knows he's using one. Yup, my copies of -1 and 0 from like 2007 still look brand new, despite my manhandling.
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Definitely sounds like a quality control issue. That aside, Noah posted:I am aware that the book is not required to know whats happening in the greater plot, but I guess I still wanted a little more out of it.
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I read Start, yeah it was pretty good but i have a two questions has redcloaks niece ever showed up? Specifically calling her out seems significant but i vaguely recall that rich regretted it or something? And Are lili and doruk both definitely out of the story or can their souls be taken back out the gem? I dont know enough about dnd to see where that plot point might go. Overall i liked it, altho by its nature as a prequel explaining the villains its quite the downer lol. I have a new appreciation for how much i should be hating xykon tho, drat he sucks
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mandatory lesbian posted:I read Start, yeah it was pretty good but i have a two questions no, and maybe.
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girl dick energy posted:Definitely sounds like a quality control issue. I had been thinking about this question, and I think I have the answer. There exists a sweet spot, narratively, where you should read Start of Darkness. You shouldn't read it too early, and you shouldn't read it too late. I believe I've read it too late. Too many of the same beats have already been repeated in the comic at large, and some of the natural constraints of a prequel that has to move along at a breakneck pace make it all feel so abrupt. I don't feel like dealing with a block of spoiler text, but I think this gets the gist across without specific examples.
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Makes sense.
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On that note, when "should" Start of Darkness be read? When Xykon takes Azure City off the grid is the first natural-feeling spot to come to mind.
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I think it fits well after book 3. e: It was actually originally published while book 3 was in progress, so you could read it a bit earlier than that, but not too much.
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mandatory lesbian posted:I read Start, yeah it was pretty good but i have a two questions I’m fairly sure her being referenced specifically was meant to be part of Right-Eye’s motivation. He doesn’t just try to kill Xykon out of revenge or for the general sake of the goblin people, he has a daughter out there whose future he wants to secure. Dunno if Rich regrets it as such, but he was certainly surprised people took it as foreshadowing to the degree they did.
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She's going to be an epilogue character for a hopeful goblin future still being possible after redcloak pays for his hubris
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I do have a bone to pick. The Dark One doesn't give a gently caress about goblins, The Dark One only cares about being right at all costs. and I think can be exemplified in Durkon's conversation with Redcloak during the implosion combined with Jirix's comment to Redcloak as they left Gobbotoppia. And this only is true with the backstory presented in Start of Darkness.
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Noah posted:I do have a bone to pick.
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Yeah, one of the big possibly interesting tweaks is it's entirely possible The Dark One may well have been willing to accept Durkon/Thor's proposal, even if Redcloak wasn't, and that conflict of interest may come into play. After all, the entire point of the plan was to force the gods to the negotiating table via the snarl.
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SKULL.GIF posted:On that note, when "should" Start of Darkness be read? When Xykon takes Azure City off the grid is the first natural-feeling spot to come to mind. I think it's this point, yes. The bad-guy interactions in Azure City are the bits where Rich drips in to the main comic the stuff that's trailed in SoD.
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Redcloak specifically tells Oona that so long as he wakes up with fresh spells every evening, that’s proof that he’s acting as the Dark One would have him do. It could well just be conversational, but it’s certainly implying that one night he might wake up as a fallen cleric and have to reevaluate his priorities. Conspicuously, (SoD spoilers) not long after this conversation, he wound up parlaying with an envoy acting in good faith, and tried to kill said envoy with a surprise attack, which is exactly how the Dark One was killed when he was a goblin. It is entirely possible that Redcloak is in for a nasty surprise when next he tries to refresh his spells. Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Dec 13, 2021 |
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Redcloak specifically tells Oona that so long as he wakes up with fresh spells every evening, that’s proof that he’s acting as the Dark One would have him do. It could well just be conversational, but it’s certainly implying that one night he might wake up as a fallen cleric and have to reevaluate his priorities. That's true, but also things are at a critical stage enough that The Dark One might not have any choice here even if he disapproves of this course of action - cutting off Redcloak would lose him everything.
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Yeah, we really don’t know anything about The Dark One, other than the snippets drip-fed through third-hand sources and Jirix’ brief communion. This could be because Redcloak properly represents him and we don’t really need him as another perspective, but I think his general absence at the least implies that he’s not onboard with everything Redcloak is doing and can be pushed to a breaking point. Particularly since Redcloak has been explicitly called out for caring about his ego more than he does the fate of the goblins in text in the comic. Durkon’s “no’ as many as ye” hit him where it hurt.
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Wild guess; but maybe The Dark One has been eaten already, somehow, by the Snarl, since Redcloak never hears from him, and the spells he's been casting have been granted by the Snarl itself. What Redcloak's doing is very much in the Snarl's interest, and somethingsomething surprise twist and god magic being weird.
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Thought: the command of "don't screw this up" came down only after gobbotopia already existed and could be taken to refer to the new nation in a resource rich land
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Anything drawn in crayon is explicitly a point of view or a story being told, not objective fact, and this has been proven a couple times. There is absolutely precedent for the situation with TDO being much more complicated than it seems.
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Shugojin posted:Thought: the command of "don't screw this up" came down only after gobbotopia already existed and could be taken to refer to the new nation in a resource rich land That's backed up by what he said to Jirix: that he would return to the world to fight battles of logistics and diplomacy and trade. Gobbtopia accomplished a lot of TDO's ultimate goals.
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MikeJF posted:That's backed up by what he said to Jirix: that he would return to the world to fight battles of logistics and diplomacy and trade. Gobbtopia accomplished a lot of TDO's ultimate goals. The tone of the conversation between redcloak and jirix sure as hell implies that was a lie jirix told his people
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https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1250.html Alright I'm invested in this conflict again for at least one more page
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