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Bernie Sanders is the only one who refrained from casting a vote to gently caress with Iran for the sake of whatever stupid/callous motivation each senator had in mind when overturning one of the few semi-okay Obama policies. I’d say that counts for something.
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Sep 16, 2019 02:02
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Office Pig posted:Bernie Sanders is the only one who refrained from casting a vote to gently caress with Iran for the sake of whatever stupid/callous motivation each senator had in mind when overturning one of the few semi-okay Obama policies. Yeah Sanders is is the only candidate who might actually do something about garbage US foreign policy. I doubt the primary has any turbohawks actually interested in ground invasion, but we might hear some of the right-wing dems like Klob and possibly Butt or Biden call for drone strikes and/or supporting rebel group crap like in Syria. The rest will be the US 'dove' standard of "sanction them and let the CIA harass them".
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Sep 16, 2019 02:09
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The Glumslinger posted:So who is going to be the first democratic candidate to come out in favor of War with Iran? Biden will accidentally imply he supports war with Iran while giving a word salad answer to a question about Planned Parenthood, and then pundits will say he made a great point.
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Sep 16, 2019 02:13
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Pod Save America jackasses teaming up with Matt "Ethnostate" Yglesias for a whopping  https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1172997397099597824?s=19
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Seph posted:The Native American heritage thing is definitely a bad look but in no way would it dominate the election like some here think. It's already run its course and the worst thing to come out of it was some memes and a day or two of bad press in the news cycle. Sure, some Republicans will harp on it, but they would have harped on something anyways and never voted for her in the first place. The vast majority of the population has forgotten about it and/or doesn't care. More willful ignorance here! The Native American lie will always stay with her because Trump will just use it to amplify the focus on Warren’s other lies, namely on anything resembling adopting Democratic Socialist policies, while constantly reminding people that she was a republican until she was almost half a century old. Trump is insanely good at divide-and-conquer tactics, and sadly, I’m not surprised to see the media and corporate democrats underestimate him again.
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Sep 16, 2019 04:08
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The NA issue is just the sort of poo poo Trumpists get off on too. It's a way for them to paint the Left as disingenuous on race while giving themselves an excuse to be racist. If Warren gets the nomination it will be THE central tactic of Trump's campaign to bring it up 24/7. We'll see mass "tomahawk chop" crowds at all of Trump's rallies and Trump will trot out a few sellout Native Americans as proof that he's less racist than Warren. It will energize the Right.
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Sep 16, 2019 04:24
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tylersayten posted:More willful ignorance here! Trump is not good at tactics period. He is good at name-calling. He never seriously played up the anger that Bernie supporters had after he was robbed of the primary last time, Trump just harped on “crooked Hillary.” Of course that was all he needed, because Hillary was a loving terrible candidate that nobody liked.
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Sep 16, 2019 05:06
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The media will gladly eat up every attack on Warren and rebroadcast it 24/7. They love no one more than Trump. They can't help themselves even if they wanted to.
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Sep 16, 2019 05:18
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I still can't believe Corn Pop was real, it's like that time Ron Artest talked about watching a guy a the YMCA get stabbed through the heart with a table leg over a foul call and then some goon dug up a nyt article about it from the day after it happened
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Sep 16, 2019 05:21
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Office Pig posted:Pod Save America jackasses teaming up with Matt "Ethnostate" Yglesias for a whopping The motherfucking record player/"black parents just don't know how to parent and need social workers" rant was literally just a garbled version of loving Charles Murray race science. Then Matty Yg over here has to follow up with an "Achtually, saying the legacy of slavery can be fixed by sending black parents loving social workers to tell them how to parent is woke and scientifically supported!" take. What the gently caress is wrong with this country that we allow pieces of poo poo like this a platform?
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Marxalot posted:The motherfucking record player/"black parents just don't know how to parent and need social workers" rant was literally just a garbled version of loving Charles Murray race science. Then Matty Yg over here has to follow up with an "Achtually, saying the legacy of slavery can be fixed by sending black parents loving social workers to tell them how to parent is woke and scientifically supported!" take. Sir, Biden is an original southern democrat. He has literally been more outrightly racist than trump by accident. that's a loving feat.
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Sep 16, 2019 06:28
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Unkempt posted:As I recall, she had been told by relatives that she had a Native American ancestor 4 or 5 generations back. The DNA test showed, as definitively as these things can, that this was indeed the case. Which bit have I got wrong? I took a DNA test, it said I was 1% asian so now I put down "asian" as my ethnicity everywhere. Its science! Honestly a good rule of thumb, if you don't even have a name or vague genealogy for the person in question in your tree, you probably shouldn't count it as your racial identity. The truth is just Warren was a white kid from bum gently caress nowhere Oklahoma, that heard some vague family legends and loved the idea of being special and unique in some way. She got to be "exotic" to people while never having to give a poo poo about actually being a minority.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Trump is not good at tactics period. He is good at name-calling. He never seriously played up the anger that Bernie supporters had after he was robbed of the primary last time, Trump just harped on “crooked Hillary.” The willful ignorance here is astounding. Look, I get it; nobody wants to admit the possibility of a Trump reelection. And he won the Rustbelt if you recall - the same states Bernie won against Hillary in the primary. This goon is seriously going to insist he didn’t play up to a bipartisan anger at the establishment. We warned you, even Michael Moore was correct about this. And Trump is definitely going to win if Bernie is not the nominee because Bernie is the only one that is addressing the issues Trump exploited to get elected. And just lol if you think the left is going to turn out for Hillary 2.0 if Bernie gets ratfucked by the DNC AGAIN. Ghost Leviathan posted:The media will gladly eat up every attack on Warren and rebroadcast it 24/7. They love no one more than Trump. They can't help themselves even if they wanted to. Yep, and it’s amazing how people are still in denial about the media’s love for Trump; I mean his crazy bullshit has only made them record profits with the ratings, and in many cases, he even saved many of them from going under. The narrative that the media hates Trump is easily the greatest lie about him and his whole Presidency.
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bowser posted:https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1172362029417533441 I wouldn't call it throwing him under the bus. In almost any reading it's an attack on Biden, not his policies or ideas, and Bernie doesn't do that no matter how much the Hillstans insist he does. Son of Thunderbeast posted:Jesus christ yang is a loving useless idiot in every possible way Yang couldn't call out casual racism if he wanted to because he will lose a lot of support.
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tylersayten posted:The willful ignorance here is astounding. Look, I get it; nobody wants to admit the possibility of a Trump reelection. And he won the Rustbelt if you recall - the same states Bernie won against Hillary in the primary. This goon is seriously going to insist he didn’t play up to a bipartisan anger at the establishment. We warned you, even Michael Moore was correct about this. This is both not a very accurate representation of what happened in 2016 and also not a very good prediction of what will happen in 2020. For starters, disenchantment with “the establishment” and especially with neoliberal trade policy, as well as the normal anti-immigrant sentiment and racism, were core motivating factors for Trump’s midwestern base, but those same people have been greatly negatively impacted by Trump’s own trade policy and are unlikely to be motivated in 2020. Secondly, Trump won the Midwest by razor thin margins and Hillary failed to draw in millions of people who voted for Obama previously - people who did not vote Trump, but instead did not vote at all. A non-trivial number of those people didn’t vote in Wisconsin and Michigan due to discriminatory voting policy in those states, as well. It is reasonable to assume that a Democratic candidate who is not as well-established or thoroughly hated as Hillary Clinton was could defeat Trump in the Midwest, especially if he succeeds in torching the economy before the election. His margins were so tight in 2016 that any number of things could kill his chances in 2020. Bernie Sanders is the best candidate for 2020, but his appeal to Midwestern voters isn’t really a big factor in that. A lot of candidates could win in the Midwest, even though most of them sucks. Bernie, by comparison, does not suck, and also would win.
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While the Trump base loves to shoot the left with its own gun, and there undoubtedly some trolls that will portend to be concerned about the white lady’s cultural appropriation before pivoting right back to “gently caress your feelings” anti-PC rhetoric, it’s not the election winning masterstroke some here are pretending. Like yeah Trump is gonna Archie Bunker it up and some white racist people will eat that with a spoon and use it to pretend their own racism is already apologized for. That isn’t unbeatable to most people. People who aren’t very racist know Trump is more racist, and people who are very racist will either not care or secretly cheer what she did. Any other candidate will face poo poo for fighting for minorities anyhow.
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Sep 16, 2019 07:48
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Context: It's now been confirmed that there was a second credible accusation of sexual harassment by a young Brett Kavanaugh, and that there was a bunch of witnesses that contacted the FBI prior to him being seated on SCOTUS but none of them even got an interview. The FBI team that conducted the background check on Kavanaugh just got some medal of recognition from Bill Barr's DOJ. https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1173316281904189440?s=19 https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1173316283980554240?s=19 Some people are mad at whoever on Bernie's social media team decided to lead with financial corruption and not mention his history of sexually assaulting women until the third tweet in the thread. Ex: https://twitter.com/della_morte_/status/1173471472792285184?s=19 The comments are full of others with the same thoughts. I think it's a minor thing overall but it gives unnecessary ammunition to people who are looking for any way to claim Bernie and his mythical Bros don't care about women. Imagine starting a Twitter thread about Strom Thurmond up with an attack on his economic policies. It's the same issue Bernie's campaign has had before where refusal to modify the stump speech based on context leads to miscommunication. bowser fucked around with this message at 11:56 on Sep 16, 2019 |
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Sep 16, 2019 11:53
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Sorry but that’s a stupid thing to get up in arms about.
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Sep 16, 2019 12:08
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Office Pig posted:Sorry but that’s a stupid thing to get up in arms about. It's just bad framing on the part of the Sanders people. For all of the allegations about Kavanaugh and financial corruption, the sex abuse accusations is what people know about him and care about. So if you're going to attack him, that's what you should focus on
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Sep 16, 2019 12:34
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Craptacular! posted:While the Trump base loves to shoot the left with its own gun, and there undoubtedly some trolls that will portend to be concerned about the white lady’s cultural appropriation before pivoting right back to “gently caress your feelings” anti-PC rhetoric, it’s not the election winning masterstroke some here are pretending. Turning people out to vote isn't an SAT question where you calculate that your candidate is 1% less racist therefore they are entitled to all the votes. Voting is a hassle, voting costs money for the working poor, voting is irrational on an individual level because your individual vote does not matter. People can stay home, it's not enough to make people 1% less disgusted with your candidate than with the other guy. bowser posted:
"Wuh buh Bernie said the things I want him to say in the wrong order" no one cares lol, keep trying to make it happen
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Sep 16, 2019 12:57
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Bernie is simply not brave enough to call him a rapist in public, so he called him the next worst thing he could think of.
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Sep 16, 2019 12:59
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Looks like those morons in his comments are mad about this because they don't know how to read https://mobile.twitter.com/AynRandPaulRyan/status/1173349235938381824
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Sep 16, 2019 13:00
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bowser posted:Context: It's now been confirmed that there was a second credible accusation of sexual harassment by a young Brett Kavanaugh, and that there was a bunch of witnesses that contacted the FBI prior to him being seated on SCOTUS but none of them even got an interview. The FBI team that conducted the background check on Kavanaugh just got some medal of recognition from Bill Barr's DOJ. FWIW, at least when I bothered to look at it yesterday, the vast majority of those "How DARE Sanders!!!" tweets were from extremely legitimate looking accounts that have like 4235 followers, 4163 following, 20-50k tweets, and are 1-2 years old. The vast majority of twitter interactions on politics tweets are literally just bots and sockpuppet accounts. (e: looked again after the post, now there's a bunch of third way media/podcast/#resist grifters jumping on the bandwagon lmfao) Bernie could have showed up at the last debate screaming about how we allowed a rapist to get into the supreme court and these literal same @KamelaStan30987934 accounts would be posting about "Trumpist demagoguery" or some other completely inane manufactured bullshit. VitalSigns posted:Looks like those morons in his comments are mad about this because they don't know how to read She's a wapo op ed writer. It's intentional. Marxalot fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Sep 16, 2019 |
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Sep 16, 2019 13:07
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Has anyone done anything wrt the UAW strike? Or planning to do anything. Other than offering statements of support?
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Epicurius posted:It's just bad framing on the part of the Sanders people. For all of the allegations about Kavanaugh and financial corruption, the sex abuse accusations is what people know about him and care about. So if you're going to attack him, that's what you should focus on Bernie didn't call this guy a rapist until the second sentence of his statement. Very troubling. I hope the Sanders campaign gets ahead of this before it becomes an issue for them.
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Marxalot posted:She's a wapo op ed writer. It's intentional. It’s like that old saying... Fool me once, shame on you Fool me for the 387200764th time, shame on me
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Sep 16, 2019 13:27
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VitalSigns posted:"Wuh buh Bernie said the things I want him to say in the wrong order" no one cares lol, keep trying to make it happen "Due to his lack of management experience, we should have never hired Bob. In light of the allegations that he sexually assaulted several coworkers I support a full investigation into his conduct." "Uh, maybe lead with the sexual assault part" "I talked about that part, sorry I didn't say it in the right order for you. What a stupid thing to get upset about  "Anyway I'm not trying to make anything happen, whatever you're implying. I'm all in for Bernie but I don't think there's any harm in finding ways to improve your messaging without watering down your policies. There is harm, on the other hand, in writing off any criticism as liberal psy-ops or something. The account I quoted criticizing the thread isn't a WaPo columnist or anything, it's an account with <1000 followers that has tweets supporting both Bernie and Warren. Brushing off her concerns and accusing her of being Maureen Dowd in disguise is a great way to lose a potential voter. bowser fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Sep 16, 2019 |
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There are loads of people waiting to get Bernie in a ‘gotcha’ moment so they seize on stupid things like that. Although all Senate Dems need to come out and just say ‘we knew he was perjuring himself at the time but the Republicans didn’t care’.
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bowser posted:"Due to his lack of management experience, we should have never hired Bob. In light of the allegations that he sexually assaulted several coworkers I support a full investigation into his conduct." What part of “you cannot please these people” don’t you understand? Do you know what happens when Bernie leads with the rape accusations? People would complain about how there isn’t a trigger warning or bring up Sanders’ essay from the 70s.
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Dumb controversies are controversies too, but I really doubt WrongOrdergate is going to have much traction. The people who hold it against Bernie will be the ones who already hate him. This will probably resonate as much as Sirota’s “conflict of interest” and Bernie “cutting the hours” of his staff.
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I mean the reality is that Bernie is an ancient old man, do you guys actually think he writes these tweets?
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean the reality is that Bernie is an ancient old man, do you guys actually think he writes these tweets? Dingell did, so it’s not inconceivable.
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Midgetskydiver posted:The NA issue is just the sort of poo poo Trumpists get off on too. It's a way for them to paint the Left as disingenuous on race while giving themselves an excuse to be racist. If Warren gets the nomination it will be THE central tactic of Trump's campaign to bring it up 24/7. We'll see mass "tomahawk chop" crowds at all of Trump's rallies and Trump will trot out a few sellout Native Americans as proof that he's less racist than Warren. It will energize the Right. The Right will be energized regardless. It's a presidential election and their god emperor is on the ballot. The job for the person who gets the nomination is to energize the Left. I think Warren can do that. If she keeps on pumping out progressive ideas.
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eviltastic posted:Dingell did, so it’s not inconceivable. Dingell also had no shits left to give, which is probably a weightier factor than age or whatever.
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bowser posted:"Due to his lack of management experience, we should have never hired Bob. In light of the allegations that he sexually assaulted several coworkers I support a full investigation into his conduct." "Saddam Hussein gassed civilians, started a war with Iran that killed millions, tortured dissidents, and allowed his son to rape women" "Whoa you didn't lead with the rape part, why do you hate women" bowser posted:
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Ither posted:The Right will be energized regardless. It's a presidential election and their god emperor is on the ballot. Progressive ideas like health care for everyone but the mentally ill and anti-corruption laws that can be easily ignored and overlooked?
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eviltastic posted:Dingell did, so it’s not inconceivable. Dingell was also retired and at home all day not running for anything. Lol if you think Bernie ever even thinks about Twitter, let alone tweets.
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