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minato posted:It also abstracts away the underlying $cloud (also for the benefit of ops of release teams). It's not uncommon to use (say) AWS for public-facing workloads and some internal vSphere or RHV setup for more secure workloads. Having the same k8s interface for both is nice for the release/ops teams. yeah, definitely this too. also you can shift teams to / from different types of underlying machines (eg moving to or from VMs) with much less hassle
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The whole "Hybrid Cloud" concept is a bit of a hype train, but it will be interesting if it becomes a reality. In the same way that most people don't care much about the brand of HW they run their Linux on, k8s makes it so you don't need to care what cloud you run on. But cloud providers really don't want this; they'd prefer you lock into their cloud. So to differentiate themselves, they'll have to provide better/cheaper service, reliability, unique features, etc. It seems good for the consumer.
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Feb 25, 2021 19:21
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minato posted:The whole "Hybrid Cloud" concept is a bit of a hype train, but it will be interesting if it becomes a reality. In the same way that most people don't care much about the brand of HW they run their Linux on, k8s makes it so you don't need to care what cloud you run on. "You don't care what cloud you run on " doesn't work for anything beyond a toy workload. If you actually want your stuff to be performant and not burn money you need to architect it to towards the norms of the platform you are on. Trying to use something like AWS or GCP and not using their services for the stateful bits will lead to sadness.
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Feb 25, 2021 19:41
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k8s is great for sticking stateless containers in, but it's not going to help with the differences between kinesis MSK and pubsub. Or big query and redshift
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Feb 25, 2021 19:43
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minato posted:The whole "Hybrid Cloud" concept is a bit of a hype train, but it will be interesting if it becomes a reality. In the same way that most people don't care much about the brand of HW they run their Linux on, k8s makes it so you don't need to care what cloud you run on. That's "Multi-cloud." "Hybrid-cloud" is using a public cloud like AWS for parts of your infrastructure that you need to scale rapidly, like internet ingress/egress or public facing load-balancing, and having your base-load services running in your own data-centers on your own servers.
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Feb 25, 2021 21:17
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:That's "Multi-cloud." truth in fact, most existing deployments are hybrid cloud, mostly due to legacy systems or regulatory requirements.
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Feb 25, 2021 21:45
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yeah not many companies/orgs of anything beyond toy size can just go all in in cloud and shift everything even if they wanted to literally all of my customers in nz central government use hybrid cloud via various means
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Feb 26, 2021 00:12
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all these posters from 2016 talking hybrid cloud tell me about ur openstack and hadoop
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Feb 26, 2021 01:10
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the closest i ever got to hybrid cloud was the Enterprise company that globally managed VPC CIDR blocks because something something direct connect, even for teams that would never, ever be peering with the legacy DCs. nope, we were still required to put in an application and get approval for every measly /24. one time we made a special appeal with justifications for getting a /20 (the biggest contiguous subnet you could get), and the review board gave us a /21 instead
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Feb 26, 2021 03:16
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multi-cloud falls apart when you start talking about ingress/egress pricing
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so does hybrid but wouldn't you know here comes your TAM with a datasheet on outposts
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minato posted:The whole "Hybrid Cloud" concept is a bit of a hype train, but it will be interesting if it becomes a reality. In the same way that most people don't care much about the brand of HW they run their Linux on, k8s makes it so you don't need to care what cloud you run on. k8s poo poo is like 60% dealing with the weird idiosyncrasies of the different providers and places where the k8s spec doesn't fill in all the details it does a good job of providing a standard language for managing and interacting with container fleets, but the stock infrastructure glue is only the bare minimum
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Feb 26, 2021 03:44
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kitten emergency posted:so does hybrid but wouldn't you know here comes your TAM with a datasheet on outposts Hell "cloud" in general doesn't make financial sense for any company with significant internet egress/ingress. Of course if the plans of the executives are just to cash out, then it makes a lot more sense.
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I suspect most organizations doing multi-cloud deployments at scale aren't paying list for ingress/egress traffic.
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the cloud is for companies with more money than sense e: and companies with neither and a CTO who's seen too many seminars about opex vs capex
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Feb 26, 2021 19:06
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well i'm not settling for less than a million% growth in the first year so i need make my app cloud native from the start
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Feb 26, 2021 19:08
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tortilla_chip posted:I suspect most organizations doing multi-cloud deployments at scale aren't paying list for ingress/egress traffic. confirm that deals are often cut, yes
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Feb 26, 2021 19:35
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tortilla_chip posted:I suspect most organizations doing multi-cloud deployments at scale aren't paying list for ingress/egress traffic. They may be able to get a good deal comparable to getting DIA etc from a traditional carrier, but they will still pay for inter-AZ data-transfer costs and storage. My company has a massive presence in AWS and our datatransfer costs are >50% of our total AWS costs and lol datatransfer alone is almost equal to our monthly spend for our physical DCs.
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Feb 26, 2021 20:48
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Kazinsal posted:the cloud is for companies with more money than sense The cloud is for companies who have elastic workloads, and might need to double or triple their capacity at certain times of year Also if you are a large customer and still finding AWS/GCP/Azure insanely expensive the person doing the negotiation for your company is not very good at their job.
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Feb 26, 2021 20:53
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you can often find interesting deals when you voltron a couple partnered providers together too. Like if you use Azure backends for your website, and use Fastly for CDN, you don't pay Azure anything for egress traffic. we worked out a deal there
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:My company has a massive presence in AWS and our datatransfer costs are >50% of our total AWS costs and lol datatransfer alone is almost equal to our monthly spend for our physical DCs. I think this really depends on your workload, right? I just finished working at an adtech spot with a large (idk what i'm allowed to say exactly but as the primary aws implementation rear end in a top hat i saw all the bills) aws presence and data transfer was in the 10-25% of total spend per region. Most of it was compute since as a DSP we had a shitload of free ingress traffic with comparatively rather small response traffic. The numbers crunch just fine in that scenario, and while it is still cheaper to host it yourself, adtech is all about following that demand curve as profitably as possible so the elasticity usually ends up being a huge win The biggest issue we had was when someone spun up a huge kafka cluster across 6 AZs which started incurring geometrically increasing transfer fees as the brokers started doing replication poo poo
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Feb 26, 2021 21:29
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12 rats tied together posted:
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Feb 26, 2021 21:31
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the cloud is good, Netflix runs in AWS: https://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/netflix-case-study/ but all the actual video streaming is done from their own hardware caches/network because lol @ paying AWS internet egress charges: https://openconnect.netflix.com/en/
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Feb 26, 2021 22:32
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12 rats tied together posted:The biggest issue we had was when someone spun up a huge kafka cluster across 6 AZs which started incurring geometrically increasing transfer fees as the brokers started doing replication poo poo lomarf
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Feb 26, 2021 22:58
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are CDN egress charges for file download still nuts? last time I looked at it was around the time that Blizzard got so tired of paying for them that they put a torrent tracker and client into the WoW patch system
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Kazinsal posted:are CDN egress charges for file download still nuts? last time I looked at it was around the time that Blizzard got so tired of paying for them that they put a torrent tracker and client into the WoW patch system afaik, for static payloads a CDN is one the cheapest ways to host anything that will be burst downloaded by hundreds of thousands or millions of people in a short amount of time. Definitely a change from 10years ago WoW updates. 12 rats tied together posted:I think this really depends on your workload, right? I just finished working at an adtech spot with a large (idk what i'm allowed to say exactly but as the primary aws implementation rear end in a top hat i saw all the bills) aws presence and data transfer was in the 10-25% of total spend per region. Most of it was compute since as a DSP we had a shitload of free ingress traffic with comparatively rather small response traffic. Yea our data transfer costs aren't from internet egress, but from inter-region S3 writes/reads, cross AZ and cross account transfers (prod->dev and customers), and direct-connect costs. We ingest a ton of data into AWS from our customers but that part is free.
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minato posted:The whole "Hybrid Cloud" concept is a bit of a hype train, but it will be interesting if it becomes a reality. In the same way that most people don't care much about the brand of HW they run their Linux on, k8s makes it so you don't need to care what cloud you run on. the value of the words 'hybrid cloud' depends on who it's come from - if its coming from traditional tin vendors like Dell or Vmware then its them trying to stay relevant and talking stupid poo poo about how the cloud is fine for dev test but not production. if it's coming from actual companies that have found value in it then it's more useful.
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i just want everyone here to know im pissed off at ubuiquity we have a cloud key and access point i wanted to change a setting and boy managing to access the cloud key is a bitch. unifi app on phone.. cant see poo poo. yes i am logged in as the owner of the clouyd key unifi portal says cant find controller cant believe i had to use some discovery app to find the cloud key to give me a bespoke ip:port just to get on once its going its good but drat. wat a bitch
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echinopsis posted:i just want everyone here to know im pissed off at ubuiquity it’s actually easy and good, sorry about your lack of skill
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not being able to figure out how to log in is one of the weirdest and weakest reasons to hate on ubnt tho tbqh try logging into unifi.ui.com that's the current portal that shows all your stuff if you're upgraded to hte latest firmware
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i just have unifi.home pointed to the IP of my cloud key directly and use that without the Cloud management poo poo. but the cloud is the easiest and default way. just go to the IP of the cloud key itself if for some reason unifi.ui.com doesnt work
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Sniep posted:not being able to figure out how to log in is one of the weirdest and weakest reasons to hate on ubnt tho tbqh idk.. logging on is kind of important. the lack of feedback from the software is terrible  yeah that’s what I want to see when logged onto the wifi network looking for the cloud key which is on the same network
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echinopsis posted:idk.. logging on is kind of important. try a laptop that's known on the same network? I've never used a phone to try and configure any of my UI stuff. It works once its all set up tho
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like literally i just tried to go setup my stuff thru my phone and it ended up redirecting me to unifi.ui.com on the phone itself. if you wanna deal with that it should work? but a laptop is gonna be easier
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idk why i had so much trouble? i like the gear. it had been over a year since i last set anything up and it’s worked flawlessly since then, that’s pretty drat good i had no luck by going to the url you mentioned either. i had to use the discovery software I had previously installed to get the ip:port just seemed pretty cryptic really probably my fault. i mean you people know me
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im mad that the unifi stuff wont pull traffic stats off edgemax stuff, like, i know they want you to live entirely in the unifi ecosystem but gently caress the unifi routers, i have an EdgeRouter 6P and there's nothing close to that in the unifi land
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same I have er-4 and I just want them to let me remove all the dead space in the UI
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