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SlothfulCobra posted:I never watched Rise of Skywalker, but from what I hear, it was hated by anyone who liked Last Jedi, perfectly assuring that the entire sequel trilogy as an item appeals to nobody. You can find videos of her from @Midnight and she looks the same. It's like she got to 21 and just stopped aging. When i first discovered her channel I was kind of weirded out because I though she was at most her late teens or early 20s and I felt skeevy watching them. When she mentioned being a kid and watching something that was on when I was a teen I realized she wasn't that young. But yea, I doubt there's any serious Flintstones fans from the 50s running around accusing young people of not knowing them. My dad had rare plastic statues of Fred and Barney from when he was a kid and sold them for like a grand to a guy who turned around and flipped them for more on Ebay. Going to the sequel series, I really enjoyed The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, like a lot. I wouldn't say they're great movies, or even great star wars movies, but they entertained me and are legitimatly exciting. Rise of Skywalker, there are some stuff I like, as I said, I've gone to bat for a few of the fight scenes, especially the one between Rey and Kylo that was done through the Force, but over all the movie just takes the wrong path at almost every moment. It sidelines too many characters, and even the ones it focuses on there's not enough. Palpatine should have been a minor thing, not the big bad, plus it was lazy. Like its an exciting moment when the Galaxy shows up with Lando to gently caress the Sith up, but then you realize that almost all the ships are cut and past jobs, and then the Sith fleet is literally just ISDs with a dick cannon and that's it. And yea, Palpatine's Plan in the Prequels is fantastic. He causes a conflict that will put him in power, give him an unquestionably loyal army, and also is able to destroy any factions that could threaten him. The Jedi are also discredited before they were destroyed because they had become to be seen as generals and warriors rather than keepers of the peace.
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twistedmentat posted:And yea, Palpatine's Plan in the Prequels is fantastic. He causes a conflict that will put him in power, give him an unquestionably loyal army, and also is able to destroy any factions that could threaten him. The Jedi are also discredited before they were destroyed because they had become to be seen as generals and warriors rather than keepers of the peace. Despite all the moving parts, it's a plan that works out for him no matter what, too, given he's literally running both sides. The Jedi are clearly ill suited for the roles as officers they're put into and even just at the start of the war their numbers get decimated (I mostly remember a book saying two hundred Jedi went to Geonosis and less than twenty returned) leaving them vulnerable, and no matter who wins the war he can step into leadership under some identity or another.
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I recall reading somewhere that the Battle of Geonosis also wiped out a lot of the diplomat/consular Jedi. The ones who survived were the warriors, and the warriors (like Anakin) were ready to fight.
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Sep 5, 2020 04:47
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And it really lends some extra weight to Yoda telling Luke that rushing into a fight to save your friends is a bad idea in Empire.
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Sep 5, 2020 18:22
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Like, it says a lot that both sides of the Clone Wars are literally manufactured, implying there isn't the stomach for raising actual armies anywhere in the galaxy until war has been thoroughly normalised. The Clone Wars cartoon apparently has the rise of non-clone Republic military officers and troops as a minor feature, including the pre-Empire career of Tarkin. I should probably watch that in general, though it's hard to get into these things with the obvious superfluous kid-appeal characters that are never allowed to actually matter.
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Rey is visually set up as Obi-Wan's kid by being a ghost living on the inside of imperial wreckage. So palpatine works okay within that, or darth maul if he was rey's dad, but she's still like dismantling it as obi wan does and living on tattooine and obi wan talks to her in a vision quest and I could go on. I rewatched the first 40 minutes and once again became bored once han solo showed up
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If Rey was Obi-wans kid when did he have sex while being a ghost? Like she's 18 or 20 in TFA, and Obi-wan died 35 years before the movies setting. Is he going around seducing women as a ghost? Hello there! Ghost Leviathan posted:Like, it says a lot that both sides of the Clone Wars are literally manufactured, implying there isn't the stomach for raising actual armies anywhere in the galaxy until war has been thoroughly normalised. You really should. It's fairly kid like in season 1, but after that they realize their audience was broader than that and aged it up a lot. There's some serious topics about war and stuff in it.
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twistedmentat posted:
Yeah, you have to get past the 'Snips and Skyguy' episodes.
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muscles like this! posted:
This was worth it for Luke’s dying words being “Aunt Baru...” Lmfao aunt loving baru
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twistedmentat posted:I keep thinking that Disney should have set their new Trilogy a century or more after Return of the Jedi. It would have given them a blank slate to do whatever they wanted, but I can understand they wanted to play it safe, and wanted to use the old actors when they still had them. I have said this before many times but you could literally reboot star wars 1000 years later in the canon universe and have an empire and republic clash and not only would it be fine but be a 100% fit in-universe.
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1000 years later doesn't feel like a continuation of a story would be my guess why that was off the table immediately. Why nothing in the films can be a followup to anything else shown previously I assume is because structurally Disney thought they could straight apply the Marvel model to Star Wars
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Sep 7, 2020 01:17
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There was the Legacy comic series which took place like 80 years after the OT which sidestepped what happens to the OT heroes.
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Sep 7, 2020 02:04
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Is that the one with Cade Skywalker and all the ridiculous Darth Krayt stuff?
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Hell yeah. It was insanely dumb, but had enough of an impact that Lucas wanted to use Darth Talon in the Maul game they were developing, and she was even considered for the villain role in the early stages of Episode 7: 
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Darth Talon is a pretty striking character. I really liked the Legacy comics. You had the Empire which was descended from Jagged Fel and Jaina Solo, that was more of a autocracy than a fascist dictatorship. The Empire actually had its own jedi and let aliens in the Stormtrooper corps. There was weird stuff like Cade Skywalker's mom being this imperial super agent that was also a jedi, and he had a half sister that was literally just Starbuck from BSG, they even drew her like season 1 Katee Sackoff. Don't get me wrong, it was silly, but the fun kind of silly. Though it was confusing because the novel series at the time was called Legacy Of the Force which was the series that followed the end of the second Galatic Civil War where Jacen Solo became a Sith and blew up the Wookies trees and tried to kill his parents. Though that ended with Jaina cutting her twin brothers head off because she gave not fuuuuuuuuucks.
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I don't think they needed to make them like 1,000 years later since most fiction tends to wildly misunderstand timescales anyways. I just think they needed to put more conceptual time between the sequels and the original trilogy so things would've realistically changed or moved on during the intervening decades, because even though on paper it's supposed to be like 30 years after, on the screen it comes off as negative 4 years after the original trilogy. She should be as immediately familiar with Luke destroying the Death Star and the fall of the Empire as I am with the Berlin wall coming down and the Soviet Union dissolving. And even though afterwards Russia still became a malevolent force in international politics, it's still in a very different way with an independent philosophical basis (or lack thereof, however you see it).
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I can buy it, since oral storytelling seems to be the the most important form of historical record keeping the Star Wars galaxy has. Most information in the movies is conveyed in person or via hologram, sometimes with a visual aid. Luke has apparently never read the sacred Jedi texts, and when he asks 3PO for information about Rebel battles in A New Hope, he's straight up told that the droid can't do it because he's not a storyteller, and not because he doesn't have the facts. If nobody on Jakku is talking about the Star War, then it might as well not have happened, even though the planet's filled with detritus from it.
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twistedmentat posted:I really liked the Legacy comics. You had the Empire which was descended from Jagged Fel and Jaina Solo, that was more of a autocracy than a fascist dictatorship. The Empire actually had its own jedi and let aliens in the Stormtrooper corps. There was weird stuff like Cade Skywalker's mom being this imperial super agent that was also a jedi, and he had a half sister that was literally just Starbuck from BSG, they even drew her like season 1 Katee Sackoff. The series were good if a little milquetoast, but within the realm of "enjoyable non Lucas star wars" that was common and for me, acceptable for the EU. That the one off movies and mandolorian have had more thought into their stories over the movies of the sequel trilogy is a serious indictment of Disney and Kennedy's oversee of Lucasfilm.
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Robot Style posted:Hell yeah. I need more of this, where do I get more of this?
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Some Goon posted:I need more of this, where do I get more of this? https://m.comixology.com/Star-Wars-Legacy/comics-series/33627
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Luke really should've spent RoS heckling Kylo.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Luke really should've spent RoS heckling Kylo. That would have been pretty enjoyable. Stormtroopers walk in on him shouting at thin air and slicing up display consoles with his laser sword.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Luke really should've spent RoS heckling Kylo. I'd take "Troll Luke" over "I had one bad student and now my self-confidence is shattered and I will throw away everything I have worked to become Luke" I will credit TLJ for not being the fanservicey creative wastelands that the Abrahms Wars were, but between subverting the OG trilogy's entire character development and growth of Luke Skywalker, the ridiculous side quest that ended in nothing but "...and the moral of the story is listen to your betters, lol!", and Ben Solo being more "man child with force tantrums" than actually cunning antagonist, I was left devoid of any hope for 9. I recall saying at the end, "the only way this trilogy could get stupider is if Palpatine returned."
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Oh geeze https://twitter.com/sleemo/status/1303543943603335168
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Sep 9, 2020 05:31
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Huh, so it turns out the Mystery Box really was empty the whole time 
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Sep 9, 2020 06:09
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She looks really thrilled to be talking about Star Wars Lol
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Bogus Adventure posted:She looks really thrilled to be talking about Star Wars Three generations of actors who've appeared in Star Wars have walked away from it utterly miserable to have to talk about being in Star Wars when they were done with the escapade. It's a thing.
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I think Kelly Marie Tran and John Boyega might unseat Alec Guiness for worst experience except in a much less funny way. Jake Lloyd still up there though.
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nine-gear crow posted:Three generations of actors who've appeared in Star Wars have walked away from it utterly miserable to have to talk about being in Star Wars when they were done with the escapade. It's a thing. Conversely, the one actor who has appeared in three generations of Star Wars always seems to be having a blast about the whole thing
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nine-gear crow posted:Huh, so it turns out the Mystery Box really was empty the whole time You can't sell a box with something in it, then you're just selling the thing!
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PittTheElder posted:Conversely, the one actor who has appeared in three generations of Star Wars always seems to be having a blast about the whole thing Ian MacDiarmid is a beautiful, special case and should be protected at all costs.
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Sep 9, 2020 08:40
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Ian McD gets to play the guy who gets all the good lines and fucks.
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I get the allure of Mystery Box writing and have to admit I've done it myself; it's much more fun to allude to a mystery and build it up in your own head as much as that of the audience when you haven't cheapened it by actually having to settle for something. But that usually means that the end result is a last-minute panic that disappoints everyone because they can tell that you had no idea what you're doing.
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nine-gear crow posted:Ian MacDiarmid is a beautiful, special case and should be protected at all costs. I thought they meant Anthony Daniels. He's probably appeared in the most Star Wars poo poo of all.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I thought they meant Anthony Daniels. He's probably appeared in the most Star Wars poo poo of all. Yeah, but Anthony Daniels is apparently a miserable bastard in real life 
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I thought they meant Anthony Daniels. He's probably appeared in the most Star Wars poo poo of all. Also Frank Oz, Peter Mayhew and (retroactively) Hayden Christensen.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I thought they meant Anthony Daniels. He's probably appeared in the most Star Wars poo poo of all. Ah poo poo I completely forget about Anthony Daniels. Alright the takeaway is just being Ian McD must be pretty great.
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Sep 9, 2020 22:07
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Yeah Anthony Daniels even played a loving Wookie in the Solo movie.
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Asgerd posted:Star Wars, Avatar and Harry Potter all do the "previous generation turn out to be bad parents" for the sake of cheap drama for the new characters, but the old characters were the ones people were already attached to, so making them into rear end in a top hat failures to prop up new, less popular characters is just a really bizarre creative decision. I think there's value this kind of thing. The characters are still heroes, they still did amazing things, and they still hosed up like regular people, and often in a way that is a reaction to their own lovely upbringings or childhoods.
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