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also 15 gold dragons per guard is an insane bribe given what the purchasing power of a gold dragon seems to be like those guards would be immediately upgraded to middle-class (or as close to it as you get in the fantasy middle ages) on that. granted, if people were consistent about what money was worth, sandor would have been able to retire or probably start his own minor house with the 40,000 dragons he won at Ned's tourney PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Aug 14, 2017 |
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I guess GoT learned from World of Warcraft with increasing the gold-inflation for every new installation in the series.
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Aug 14, 2017 22:45
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The Unnamed One posted:Like most entrepreneurs, he dropped out to join a startup up North ok, that got a solid laugh
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Aug 14, 2017 23:38
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Sephyr posted:I don't see it. Cersei is written so retardedly fickle and evil in the books it was a big part of why their lost their appeal to me. Let's see: agree with you - I have always hated cersei's writing, but it is the worst in AFOC/ADWD. Teh GRRM writes females like poo poo. She was basically just "crazy bitch".
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Aug 14, 2017 23:43
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Tbf she watched her son die in agony in front of her and her dad was murdered by her brother like a week later. That she goes off the deep end is not surprising, considering she was always a little crazy.
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Aug 14, 2017 23:49
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Cersei's descent into madness has always worked well for me tbh, esp with aFfC shedding light on her being a bit crazy already, and plagued by a prophecy like most characters who seem a bit nuts.
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PupsOfWar posted:also 15 gold dragons per guard is an insane bribe given what the purchasing power of a gold dragon seems to be GURM always had a problem with scale.
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In It For The Tank posted:Tbf she watched her son die in agony in front of her and her dad was murdered by her brother like a week later. That she goes off the deep end is not surprising, considering she was always a little crazy. Half that list took place before Joffrey's death. If Gurm wanted to portray her as a character with any depth, he lost his timing, bad. He even zig-zags between having her being stifled for being a woman in patriarchal society ("I should be the heir! I don't want to be forced to marry!") then shifts back to her being a woman scorned ("I wanted to be Rhaegar's queen sooo bad! Why doesn't Jaime do what I want him to do?") without ever picking one track and sticking with it.
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fwiw women (and humans in general) are complicated, contradictory beasts like that source: I have a vagina
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How would Rhaegar's anullment work. That's gotta be the biggest gently caress you to his wife and kids.
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Aug 15, 2017 03:01
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Elia was probably banging Oberyn.
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In reality, Dany burning a father/son combo to death would severely turn Jon off of her, right? I mean, her own father killed Jon's grandfather/uncle in the same gruesome fashion. Even if the father in this scenario was a filicidal rear end in a top hat towards Jon's best friend.Zenithe posted:How would Rhaegar's anullment work. That's gotta be the biggest gently caress you to his wife and kids.
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Zenithe posted:How would Rhaegar's anullment work. That's gotta be the biggest gently caress you to his wife and kids. Rhaegar basically ensured that there was going to be a civil war in Westeros. If the whole 'kidnapping' thing had been explained away properly you'd still have Dorne mad as hell, Robert would still be pissed beyond belief, and Ned would be stuck having to deal with his sister bailing on her engagement to his best friend.
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Did the show actually say that Cersei is now pregnant and her plan is to tell everyone the future heir was fathered by her brother? Like Jaime should have seen that that was not a good plan.
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PittTheElder posted:Did the show actually say that Cersei is now pregnant and her plan is to tell everyone the future heir was fathered by her brother? Like Jaime should have seen that that was not a good plan. Cersei explicitly said both those things.
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If you're going to declare the nights watch slaves and free them, then you have to disband the maesters as well, since they're oaths obligate them for life. And the kingsguard, presumably Dany's queensguard too. Maybe some septums and silent sisters? Or you could always stop trying to apply the Geneva conventions to a medieval fantasy queen who uses her giant dragons and magic swords to fight ice zombies, you know, if you wanted to go that direction. PittTheElder posted:Did the show actually say that Cersei is now pregnant and her plan is to tell everyone the future heir was fathered by her brother? Like Jaime should have seen that that was not a good plan. Honestly I don't know why Jamie's so worried about it. Robert and Cersei were literally the first royal family in 300 years to not be incestuous. Why do they think the whole kingdom is gonna have some kind of fit because they went right back to the standard operating procedure?
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She ain't having that kid. And it's gonna be the final straw that pushes her into absolute madness. My guess is she'll attack the Northern armies as they're defending from the wights. And she'll lose and then Jaime will kill her after The Hound dies in Clegane Bowl.
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I do wonder which of the two common Rhaegar interpretations the show will go for misunderstood brooding romantic vs. crazy weirdo The latter always seemed much more likely. Rhaegar ~ might ~ have gotten away with openly taking Lyanna as a mistress or second wife, but he was never going to get away with just grabbing her and sequestering her in the Tower of loving for months with no explanation, and he had to know that. Zenithe posted:How would Rhaegar's anullment work. That's gotta be the biggest gently caress you to his wife and kids. yeah I imagine the show did it this way because they'd already dropped Aegon, hadn't discussed Elia's children much since Oberyn died, and hadn't discussed general Targ backstory much at all. In the books (or, rather, Gurm's posthumously-released working notes) it will probably turn out that Rhaegar hustled some Septon or other into performing a polygamous marriage like the old-timey Targs had. Or that he handwaved some excuse about how the Faith didn't need to approve of a double-marriage since Lyanna followed the Old Gods. Whichever the case, I doubt he'd get an anullment. if the prophecy business he believed in was that The Dragon Must Have Three Heads, and that this referred to his children, then he presumably would not want to gently caress over the two kids he already had.
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Solice Kirsk posted:She ain't having that kid. And it's gonna be the final straw that pushes her into absolute madness. My guess is she'll attack the Northern armies as they're defending from the wights. And she'll lose and then Jaime will kill her after The Hound dies in Clegane Bowl. I think she'll probably have it then Jaime will kill her, it'll mirror the tower of joy scene somehow, it's like poetry, it rhymes.
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Is it just me or is Dany's wig getting worse every season? It looked like Kate Mara's reshoot wig for Fan4stic.
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Rhaegar probably just said "me dads Aerys and he'll toast yer if yer dunt do what i want m8" and the Septon would be all "yeh buddy i like not being dead tbh"
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PupsOfWar posted:The latter always seemed much more likely. Rhaegar ~ might ~ have gotten away with openly taking Lyanna as a mistress or second wife, but he was never going to get away with just grabbing her and sequestering her in the Tower of loving for months with no explanation, and he had to know that. They eloped (probably no high septon involved in the books) and then his father murdered a poo poo ton of a people and war started so she kind of stayed hidden, it's not like he planned for the war to start.
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PupsOfWar posted:..but he was never going to get away with just grabbing her and sequestering her in the Tower of loving for months with no explanation, and he had to know that. yeah this will be interesting to see ( and oneday hopefully read ). He might have been a bit naive - or just too much of a "believer" in his prophesy.. maybe even a bit of the old targaryen madness? But it seems that he definitely could have handled the whole thing much better. Bought Robert off, dealt with Dorne, cut a side deal with Starks... etc. Always been curious to hear what he and Robert said to eachother. I figure robert cheated a bit for some reason - like Rhaegar was trying to explain what was up and robert just hammered his face or whatever. That would have been a fitting end to GRRM slowly tearing Robert's legacy apart. ( eg: Start out with Robert as war hero, then you see what a lovely king he was, then you figure out the fight was about him being a jilted lover, and finally that he didn't conquer Rhaegar in some honorable one on one.
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kcroy posted:yeah this will be interesting to see ( and oneday hopefully read ). He might have been a bit naive - or just too much of a "believer" in his prophesy.. maybe even a bit of the old targaryen madness? Aerys had burned Rickard and Brandon Stark alive and demanded Ned and Robert be delivered to him for a similar execution before the fighting started.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:They eloped (probably no high septon involved in the books) and then his father murdered a poo poo ton of a people and war started so she kind of stayed hidden, it's not like he planned for the war to start. he'd have to be deeply ignorant of the basic personalities of everybody involved in order to imagine this would end well he ~might not know what Brandon and his chums were like, but he definitely knew Aerys was insane and he very likely knew what Robert was like. the Baratheons nearly rebelled over Duncan the Small's broken betrothal, after all, despite lyonel baratheon being pals with aegon v. Broken betrothals are a huge deal. the other houses were always going to protest what he did, and with Aerys in charge there was always a pretty high chance that this would not go well. so, while he couldn't have anticipated the exact details, he should have been able to work out that poo poo was gonna go Down. His decision-making is particularly crazy if you accept the other big Rhaegar theory - that prior to Lyanna's disappearance he was scheming with the rest of the Kingdoms to convene a council and unseat Aerys - since in this case he would know that the Lords Paramount were prepared to move against the Crown. PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Aug 16, 2017 |
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Lyanna could have just hidden a note where only her (reasonable) brother would have found it, and been honor-bound to tell robert the truth or something. Or even just sent a raven with the truth of it.
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Maybe elia martell believed in the prophecy, as well.
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There were bad guys, there was a king murdering people, very bad, but there was also violence on the other side, who didn't have a permit by the way
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Tender Bender posted:There were bad guys, there was a king murdering people, very bad, but there was also violence on the other side, who didn't have a permit by the way kek. #TargaryenPride #BloodAndFire #YourWincestry
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Tender Bender posted:Aerys had burned Rickard and Brandon Stark alive and demanded Ned and Robert be delivered to him for a similar execution before the fighting started. poo poo forgot about that massive plot point. I still feel like they bandied words though. Maybe Rhaegar offered up the king's head or something. I dunno - I don't have any reason for this, just something I thought when I first read the books.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Lyanna could have just hidden a note where only her (reasonable) brother would have found it, and been honor-bound to tell robert the truth or something. Or even just sent a raven with the truth of it. So whose arm came off?
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PupsOfWar posted:he'd have to be deeply ignorant of the basic personalities of everybody involved in order to imagine this would end well I'm weirdly partial to the Preston-level theory that a drunk, enraged Robert raped Lyanna and conceived Jon and she tearfully confessed it to Rhaegar, simply because it makes him a decent guy who tried to help a fair lady in need and things got out of hand faster than he could handle, instead of pants on head retarded.
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well, I figure jon can't be robert's since one of the first things we learn in the series is that baratheon features are weirdly 100% dominant, to such an extent that it suggests magic might be involved in westeros's genetics but robert aside (wasn't he still in the vale, anyway?), lyanna was wandering around the riverlands unescorted seems plausible enough that she could have run into some sort of ~trouble, then been bailed out by rhaegar, perhaps while he was investigating Prophecy poo poo at one of the riverlands' many mysterious sacred sites. I guess that's how the shippers must interpret it, as there is not really any way to spin a premeditated disappearance positively
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What're the features again? Straight dark hair?
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So it turns out Daenerys is gonna burn Griff and Griff's fake dad in dragonfire. I'm not a guy who uses sarcasm often, but what a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge surprise.
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Uh I mean Griff and his fake son. Shows how much I care about all the extra characters.
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Well of course. Cersei just bought a new army so let's bring in the wannabe targ kid at the very end of the shows run and kill him in one episode
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I wouldn't hate it if a theoretical The Winds of Winter release opened with "Tyrion decided FakeAegon and JonCon was boring and ditched them, Dorne disappeared from the map entirely and Meereen is ok now, Victarion's coming to Westeros to be a viking here instead (skip to page 102)."
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Kavak posted:I'm weirdly partial to the Preston-level theory that a drunk, enraged Robert raped Lyanna and conceived Jon and she tearfully confessed it to Rhaegar, simply because it makes him a decent guy who tried to help a fair lady in need and things got out of hand faster than he could handle, instead of pants on head retarded. yeah that would be cool.
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The leaked episode six is pretty good, but has some stupid poo poo in it. I enjoyed it very much. Also they really can't expect us to believe the writers are actually imagining all the travel is spaced out over long stretches of time we just don't see between scenes. Gendry teleports back to Eastwatch, sends a distress raven to Dany on Dragonstone, who then flies up to the wall in time to save the day. All while Jon's D&D group is stuck on a tiny spot with like no provisions or heat while surrounded by an army of the dead. Sure, she's going by dragon but that's still a long loving way to go, even if you don't factor in the time Gendry takes to get back to the wall to send a raven, and the trip the raven has to take down south. Complaining about the fast travel points is lame, yes. But the only reason it bothers me is the writing not backing up that passage of time. Jon and Dany have spent, at the very least, weeks together if not a month+, but all their conversations this season has been bland exposition, or reminding the viewers of poo poo we already know. So it just feels like they've had a casual business relationship for a few days. Same with Winterfell for me, as well, though to a lesser extent b/c. At least Bran, Sansa and Arya have either had a bad relationship the last time they were together, before they went through some hosed up poo poo on their own, or have turned into a robot. It makes sense for them to not have normal conversations off screen b/c of this, even if I personally don't buy it. There are a lot of things I love about this season. The stuff they've come up with is much better than the last two or three seasons, and they've had to return to the book well to start explaining important poo poo they should have explained throughout the series. I think the biggest problem is going into the final two, short!, seasons with an ensemble cast that has largely spent no time together in the past 6 seasons. It's a bunch of characters who we've wanted to reunite with one another, or finally meet one another, since the first book and season. And instead of having them interact character to character, we're largely getting scenes that only exist to hit story beats, via aforementioned exposition dumps and unnatural feeling circumstances, because there's a lot of ground to cover and only like 15 episodes to do it in. It's a loving shame.
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