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Motto
Aug 3, 2013

PS4 Pro>PS4>neo-geo>xbonex>switch

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Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Arist posted:

If one of the best games you've ever played wouldn't get a 10 then maybe consider that your scale is too harsh? Or at least out of tune with most people's?

e:


Kratos wasn't a parody of anything dude, the industry at large legit thought that poo poo was cool until like GoW3 basically

1 and 2 maybe but in 3 he is portrayed as basically the villain of the game, thats kinda obvious by the sequence where it switches to the bosses PoV as kratos brutally kills him and gouges his eyes out or how he murders a nonviolent Hera, right up until the ending where they wuss out and retcon it so that he's exterminated all life on earth out of love which redeems him

codenameFANGIO
May 4, 2012

What are you even booing here?

Pablo Nergigante posted:

Broke: Enjoying games and talking about them while also looking at them critically
Woke: Telling people games they like actually loving suck, much like the Xbox One, the worst console in history with the wrong RAM

like doesn’t hating everything get loving exhausting to these people

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



I liked zelda (had problems with it but it was pretty good) but the people that were talking about how it ruined horizon for them baffle me

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Quantum of Phallus posted:

Someone a few posts/pages back was saying how the quality of games now is so much higher and I have to agree.

Apart from maybe a few golden years of PC gaming back in 2003-2007, these past few years have had so many absolutely brilliant games that the standard has been raised very high.
Imagine what they'll be like in another decade. gently caress!!!

Games are absolutely the best they've ever been, though I do think we're about to witness a splintering point in the next 5 years where the industry and majority audience decides that VR is the new medium to focus on in terms of commodity horizon, and a much smaller portion will stay behind and continue to develop interactive narratives to be displayed on a wall-mounted rectangular frames.

I'd say traditional Video Games (not the mod) are at a point similar to what film arrived at in the 1970s, where exploration of narrative will continue to see novel tweaks for a long, long time to come...but the format itself is rather dialed in. Whereas VR, exploring its own distinct possibilities, will capture the new audiences.

And y'all can have your VR feelies, I imagine that they'll see their own amazing artistic hacks in decades to come, but I'm cool with video rectangles.

Motto
Aug 3, 2013

I don't really see it unless consoles work with smartphone VR setups or something.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



codenameFANGIO posted:

like doesn’t hating everything get loving exhausting to these people

Is that what's happening?

codenameFANGIO
May 4, 2012

What are you even booing here?

BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

Is that what's happening?

why do you think I am talking about you

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


botw is okay, didn't beat it and at this point doubt i will though

Rad Valtar
May 31, 2011

Someday coach Im going to throw for 6 TDs in the Super Bowl.

Sit your ass down Steve.
I mean I played Zelda for around 15 hours so I think I gave it a fair shake and at some point I got bored and quit. I’m sorry if that has offended anyone.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



codenameFANGIO posted:

why do you think I am talking about you

I don't assume that. Though you'd actually have to define "these people" :shrug:

codenameFANGIO
May 4, 2012

What are you even booing here?

BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

I don't assume that. Though you'd actually have to define "these people" :shrug:

The people that Pablo Gigante is referring to in his post, who tell people their games are bad. The post I was responding to. You did see the part where I quoted his post right

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

Arist posted:

Kratos wasn't a parody of anything dude, the industry at large legit thought that poo poo was cool until like GoW3 basically

On this and also the topic about how video games are very different now than 10 years ago (God of War 2 hit in 2007 for example), I find some of this a bit overstated. And generalized, because while there are trends, ideally we'll always have a wide range of styles and tones in video games.

From the early trailers to this, I got the vibe they were placing God of War into a Last of Us etc kind of template, very serious cinematic story going for various things that are in right now. But, we had well done serious dramatic games at that time, look at Silent Hill 2 in 2001. That hit like a freight train, Oscars from me anyway. So different styles of games have always coexisted, we'll have rampaging cartoony characters as well, Travis Touchdown is back etc, and that's cool too.

God of War had a fun pulpy, comic booky, engaging story that was somewhat unique I felt. I know people look back at edgy characters and kind of laugh, but this antihero character of Kratos going on a rampage of the gods was pretty unique. Kind of fun to see where it went. And on parody etc, the game took itself seriously, but it did also have fun with it, not taking itself too seriously at all times either. Though 3 did change the tone a bit, and did have a well done ending. Speaking of which, I wonder if they'll reconcile and address that ending in the new game.

Shorter version of my point, I don't think having more well done cinematic engrossing grounded feeling (dramatically speaking) narratives means games are better now than 10 years ago necessarily. Ideally we have some of those, we have some cartoony romps, we have all different styles of gameplay and narrative, let's have a bit of everything. But I do think games are great right now, but I feel they were doing pretty solid in 2008 as well, pun intended.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



codenameFANGIO posted:

The people that Pablo Gigante is referring to in his post, who tell people their games are bad. The post I was responding to. You did see the part where I quoted his post right

But...the xbone does have the wrong RAM... :bigtran:

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

Is that what's happening?

No this is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVrF5xbYpks

Stefan Prodan
Jan 7, 2002

I deeply respect you as a human being... Some day I'm gonna make you *Mrs* Buck Turgidson!


Grimey Drawer
All games are garbage and I only put hundreds of hours into them so I can explain in detail why each is bad

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Heavy Metal posted:

On this and also the topic about how video games are very different now than 10 years ago (God of War 2 hit in 2007 for example), I find some of this a bit overstated. And generalized, because while there are trends, ideally we'll always have a wide range of styles and tones in video games.

From the early trailers to this, I got the vibe they were placing God of War into a Last of Us etc kind of template, very serious cinematic story going for various things that are in right now. But, we've had well done serious dramatic games at that time, look at Silent Hill 2 in 2001. That hit like a freight train, Oscars from me anyway. So different styles of games have always coexisted, we'll have rampaging cartoony characters as well, Travis Touchdown is back etc, and that's cool too.

God of War had a fun pulpy, comic booky, engaging story that was somewhat unique I felt. I know people look back at edgy characters and kind of laugh, but this antihero character of Kratos going on a rampage of the gods was pretty unique. Kind of fun to see where it went. And on parody etc, the game took itself seriously, but it did also have fun with it, not taking itself too seriously at all times either. Though 3 did change the tone a bit, and did have a well done ending. Speaking of which, I wonder if they'll reconcile and address that ending in the new game.

Shorter version of my point, I don't think having more well done cinematic engrossing grounded feeling (dramatically speaking) narratives means games are better now than 10 years ago necessarily. Ideally we have some of those, we have some cartoony romps, we have all different styles of gameplay and narrative, let's have a bit of everything. But I do think games are great right now, but I feel they were doing pretty solid in 2008 as well, pun intended.

God of War represents the zeitgeist of the games industry during the Iraq war fairly well, it was a reflection of trends, critiques, and values within the broader culture of the west along with Gears, Halo, and CoD during that time.

Similarly you could say that film during the Iraq war years was obsessed with torture porn, embedded journalistic style cinematography, and gritty nullification or desensitization of the audience via intensified continuity. Then, somewhere along the line mass audiences decided they wanted fascist authoritarian superhero narratives and...here we are!

poptart_fairy posted:

Does it Say Something Important about the current state of the US.

There. I opened the :can: just for you


Then I loving APPROVE

BeanpolePeckerwood fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Apr 13, 2018

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




Omg i forgot about torture porn :byewhore:

Good riddance

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

There. I opened the :can: just for you

I don't necessarily agree with that critique on God of War. I see how you'd put it in with other games that have military type stuff going on, but there have been violent epic stories in fiction and cinema going way back. God of War in particular to me doesn't feel particularly informed by that war, not that anything is made in a vacuum. Also, God of War began development way back in 2002, prior to the Iraq war.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Heavy Metal posted:

I don't necessarily agree with that critique on God of War. I see how you'd put it in with other games that have military type stuff going on, but there have been violent epic stories in fiction and cinema going way back. God of War in particular to me doesn't feel particularly informed by that war, not that anything is made in a vacuum. Also, God of War began development way back in 2002.

I'm not just referring to a single game, but a progression of games. As a series it was still a product of collective post-911 revenge mentality, and over the course of 3-4 games that only became more and more clear, until you arrive at the more blatant power-trip grossout demonstrations of God of War 3, most of which seem both weirdly self-aware and incredibly naive in their transgression.

War does nasty things to culture, schizophrenic things.

acksplode
May 17, 2004



Heavy Metal posted:

Also, God of War began development way back in 2002, prior to the Iraq war.

So God of War started development in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 when the US was loving insane, after it was already occupying Afghanistan, and when the Bush administration was busy making the public case for invading Iraq. Live by pedantry, die by pedantry, my dude.

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

I'm not just referring to a single game, but a progression of games. As a series it was still a product of collective post-911 revenge mentality, and over the course of 3-4 games that only became more and more clear, until you arrive at the more blatant power-trip grossout demonstrations of God of War 3, most of which seem both weirdly self-aware and incredibly naive in their transgression.

War does nasty things to culture, schizophrenic things.

I think in general we have kind of opposite viewpoints. I was saying how there is a wide range of tones and styles, then and now, and you're kind of boiling things down and saying everything was kind of similarly informed. I think it's very possible a similar or almost identical series of games could have happened even if that war didn't happen for example.

A violent antihero in a game, we could have that in numerous decades. They were self-aware in that they knew Kratos the character was doing bad things, and wanted to show some consequences and more pathos in 3 etc, but i'm not quite sure what you mean by naive. And what is the transgression?

acksplode posted:

So God of War started development in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 when the US was loving insane, after it was already occupying Afghanistan, and when the Bush administration was busy making the public case for invading Iraq. Live by pedantry, die by pedantry, my dude.

Fair enough, other than the last sentence which isn't fair. My perspective and point there is still worthwhile if you're interested aside from the date thing. What's with the weird insult/generalization thing?

Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Apr 13, 2018

Smirking_Serpent
Aug 27, 2009

didn't the ending of God of War 1 have Kratos being discovered by soldiers in the modern day Middle East?

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

Smirking_Serpent posted:

didn't the ending of God of War 1 have Kratos being discovered by soldiers in the modern day Middle East?

The ending credits had us see a God of War throughout all the eras, yes. Like I said, I don't think it was made in a vaccum. But I don't think it was quite what was said there, but I guess there may be interviews that shed light on what they were thinking when making it.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

nopantsjack posted:

I hope GoW is good but i have some concerns:

[...]
c) western developers are terrible at combo-action gameplay

Can you elaborate on this?

Also, is there a way on the Internet to ask someone to elaborate that isn't at first glance interpreted as some kind of outrage, challenge, or burn?

"Can you elaborate on this?" = "someone's gotta call you out on your bullshit"
"I'd like to hear more about this" = "oh man, can't wait for your unhinged, self-own rant!"
"What do you mean?" = "whaddya mean? you crazy?"

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




Lobok posted:

Can you elaborate on this?

Also, is there a way on the Internet to ask someone to elaborate that isn't at first glance interpreted as some kind of outrage, challenge, or burn?

"Can you elaborate on this?" = "someone's gotta call you out on your bullshit"
"I'd like to hear more about this" = "oh man, can't wait for your unhinged, self-own rant!"
"What do you mean?" = "whaddya mean? you crazy?"

What?

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus

Lobok posted:

Can you elaborate on this?

Also, is there a way on the Internet to ask someone to elaborate that isn't at first glance interpreted as some kind of outrage, challenge, or burn?

"Can you elaborate on this?" = "someone's gotta call you out on your bullshit"
"I'd like to hear more about this" = "oh man, can't wait for your unhinged, self-own rant!"
"What do you mean?" = "whaddya mean? you crazy?"

"Please proceed, Governor."

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?


Is this a question or an answer?

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

Lobok posted:

Is this a question or an answer?

I don't think you need to worry, burns are pretty direct in here. acksplode for example said I live my entire life in a bad way!

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




Lobok posted:

Is this a question or an answer?

Both

xxEightxx
Mar 5, 2010

Oh, it's true. You are Brock Landers!
Salad Prong

Samuringa posted:

Would you guys say that certain games are

overrated?

Blodbourne for example.

codenameFANGIO
May 4, 2012

What are you even booing here?

xxEightxx posted:

Blodbourne for example.

*yawns*

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

We should stop the video game wars, have peace, like the end of Transformers the movie (1986)

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


xxEightxx posted:

Blodbourne for example.

You misspelled it even if it wasn't a proper noun.

Great job!

Horrible Taste
Oct 12, 2012

Smirking_Serpent posted:

didn't the ending of God of War 1 have Kratos being discovered by soldiers in the modern day Middle East?

That was one of the three extra videos that could be unlocked in the first game, they were basically sequel ideas they had at the time. The one you're talking about is where Kronos' giant corpse is discovered in the modern day in the middle of the desert, the military goes to investigate the temple on his back and it's stated that a new hero would emerge, so it was seemingly setting up a modern day God of War.

The other two videos were one that had Kratos find out his father was Zeus from his mom and one which revealed that Kratos had a younger brother who died and became a badass demon in hell, both of these ideas would end up recycled into the plot of the second PSP game Ghost of Sparta.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


God of War reminds me of HZD a lot visually.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



the environment of the two games isn't that different and both have primitive civilizations so I guess some overlap is inevitable

the truth
Dec 16, 2007

I started Nier Automata, worried that it might be so good that I would be distracted from the new God of War.

Thirty minutes later I died after fighting two huge spinning death wheels. The biggest enemy was the camera because wouldn’t let me see when I needed to dodge an attack from the wheel behind me, and the game rewarded me by kicking me all the way back to the start. Now there are a bunch of boring fights against bland enemies and an unskippable flight sequence that is not cool the second time around.

I am not sure if this game is for me, but I will give it another few tries. Nothing so far is interesting enough to make me want to spend what little free time I have for gaming on this, even though some of the camera work is cool when it isn’t actively trying to kill you. Will probably turn down the difficulty to easy to increase the chance of progressing since people have said good things about the game.

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



the truth posted:

I started Nier Automata, worried that it might be so good that I would be distracted from the new God of War.

Thirty minutes later I died after fighting two huge spinning death wheels. The biggest enemy was the camera because wouldn’t let me see when I needed to dodge an attack from the wheel behind me, and the game rewarded me by kicking me all the way back to the start. Now there are a bunch of boring fights against bland enemies and an unskippable flight sequence that is not cool the second time around.

I am not sure if this game is for me, but I will give it another few tries. Nothing so far is interesting enough to make me want to spend what little free time I have for gaming on this, even though some of the camera work is cool when it isn’t actively trying to kill you. Will probably turn down the difficulty to easy to increase the chance of progressing since people have said good things about the game.

You can literally continuously tap dodge and never be hit by anything.

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Smirking_Serpent
Aug 27, 2009

The prologue is honestly the only part of the game that really punishes you for dying. The rest of the game is much more forgiving.

The charm of the game is in the story, the characters, the music, presentation, etc. Nothing wrong with playing on easy.

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