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marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

Randalor posted:

... what's DOS2?

Divinity Original Sin 2

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BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.
Playing one of the final few Bayonetta chapters, one of the big long ones (specifically the Tower to Truth). It's amusing when you get good at a hard game and end up scraping by on very low health and are just asking yourself at every checkpoint "HOW HAVE I NOT DIED YET!?"

Zero_Grade
Mar 18, 2004

Darktider 🖤🌊

~Neck Angels~

Solenna posted:

In Yakuza 0 you can run a cabaret club and eventually poach hostesses from rival clubs named after planets.

Club Mercury has a lady dressed in blue, Club Venus has a lady dressed in orange, Club Mars has a lady dressed in red, and Club Jupiter has a lady dressed in green.

These match the colours of Sailors Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter in Sailor Moon and while I don't think it means a damned thing I do think it's funny.
:lol: Incredible.

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.

Roblo posted:

Erdleaf flower, not sunflowers, but close enough!

Dangit, my brain wanted it to be sunflowers because then it would be a Solaire reference. Now I'm even more irritated with the game!

Agents are GO! posted:

"Use the items, nerd."
/


(I really wanted the ice cream memories scene but couldn't find a good screenshot.)

Shut up, you. I don't need consumables when I can just tune my way out of problems.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
The calculus changes a bit when you consider whether you get the consumables back after a failed attempt (restoring from save in most games) or don't (souls). I will never spend a consumable in souls because I'm very sure I'm going to spend it, die anyway despite the boss being marginally easier, repeat that until I run out of consumables, and now I'm forced to do it the hard way anyway

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.
True, but I feel like in games with regular save systems you can still put yourself in a position where you can overspend (or feel like you overspent) on consumables and now it just shifts the question to if you should reload to do it again without wasting quite as many super potions or w/e.

Of course, the inciting game here was RE4, a game that pretty blatantly nudges drops towards things you're low on. That's actually a system that usually gets me to use items more because I'll have faith that I'm only temporarily losing much of anything.

Read After Burning
Feb 19, 2013

"All this, for me? 💃Ah, you didn't have to! 🥰"

verbal enema posted:

i would play the hell out of a full version of that side game

What are some of y'alls favorite examples of this?

I put an insane amount of hours into the air hockey mini-game in Beyond Good and Evil. :allears:

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Read After Burning posted:

What are some of y'alls favorite examples of this?

I put an insane amount of hours into the air hockey mini-game in Beyond Good and Evil. :allears:

Splatoon 3 surprised me with how much I liked its Tableturf Battle mode, basically a grid-based CCG version of the regular ink battles. I'd love it to be expanded a bit to really sustain its own game.

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.
Let's not forget Triple Triad in FF8 not only having fantastic background music based around what sounds like a twangy mouth harp or some poo poo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84xfVKnb-UA) but also being popular enough that people would go to a website that existed solely to play Triple Triad, the rest of FF8 be damned.

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe

Read After Burning posted:

What are some of y'alls favorite examples of this?

I put an insane amount of hours into the air hockey mini-game in Beyond Good and Evil. :allears:

I definitely booted up the fourth Commander Keen just to play pong on the watch

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

Read After Burning posted:

What are some of y'alls favorite examples of this?

I put an insane amount of hours into the air hockey mini-game in Beyond Good and Evil. :allears:

As a kid, I used to play the NES hockey game Blades of Steel specifically because there was a between-periods ad for other Konami games, which had a 50-50 chance of being a small playable Gradius demo. So I'd just flail around at random during the hockey part and then hope I got lucky and got to fly a spaceship for 15 seconds.

Weird Pumpkin
Oct 7, 2007

TooMuchAbstraction posted:

If they're rare then you'll be more inclined to hoard, because of the fear that you'll need it later. Really, I think the problem with item hoarding is that many games make it hard to know, going into a fight, whether items will make a material difference. And if they would, you often figure that out too late, die, and try the fight again, and now you know it well enough that you don't need the items anyway.

It's definitely complicated in RPGs by "must lose" fights as well


There's nothing worse than blowing a bunch of items, you still lose the fight, then a cutscene plays and you feel like you gotta reload so that you can get those items back.

I know it's insanely old, but I still like the dumb item system in nethack where you have to try and ID items by price tiers, then either rolling the dice and quaffing the potion/reading the scroll because you're pretty sure it's good or your desperate for a heal. Otherwise you can try a ton of other stuff to id items just through game knowledge, like if you think it might be a potion of healing or fire you can throw it at an enemy and take notes on what happens

Solenna
Jun 5, 2003

I'd say it was your manifest destiny not to.

Read After Burning posted:

What are some of y'alls favorite examples of this?

I put an insane amount of hours into the air hockey mini-game in Beyond Good and Evil. :allears:
I mean, it's a real game and I already bought a phone version but if Sega made a version of Mahjong that let you select one of the Yakuza characters and included the ridiculous riichi/ron/tsumo animations I'd totally buy it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IfQhqR_RE14 (please ignore the dancing guy I don't know what's going on with that this just has most of the animations)

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Weird Pumpkin posted:

It's definitely complicated in RPGs by "must lose" fights as well

I wish games did more of those style fights, but turn them into unwinnable scenarios where if you survive long enough or do enough damage you get some cool rewards.

Similarly, I really liked that, in FF12, you fight a boss battle against a wall that slowly moves you toward a door you can open. If you defeat it, it's supposed to give you a chest (well, techncially a chance that a chest would spawn) that contains a really good weapon. If you don't, no worries you just go through the door and keep on going.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

Weird Pumpkin posted:

It's definitely complicated in RPGs by "must lose" fights as well


There's nothing worse than blowing a bunch of items, you still lose the fight, then a cutscene plays and you feel like you gotta reload so that you can get those items back.

So, fun little thing in a game made 32 years ago: Final Fantasy 4 has a mandatory unwinnable fight against the Dark Elf. Before the fight happens, it quietly records your inventory, and any consumed items during the fight are refunded to you.

Speedrunners of the randomizer of that game abuse that fact to use attack items (that cast offensive spells) on their own party "for free" to fail the fight faster.

jokes posted:

I wish games did more of those style fights, but turn them into unwinnable scenarios where if you survive long enough or do enough damage you get some cool rewards.

Similarly, I really liked that, in FF12, you fight a boss battle against a wall that slowly moves you toward a door you can open. If you defeat it, it's supposed to give you a chest (well, techncially a chance that a chest would spawn) that contains a really good weapon. If you don't, no worries you just go through the door and keep on going.

This reminds me of a fun bit in Devil May Cry 1. The first boss fight is a memorable experience for most players, because it's the point where the game actually expects you to be able to handle all the poo poo it throws at you. In other words, it probably took a lot of deaths to beat him. But anyway, you beat the first boss, and you're probably thinking "phew, now things can chill out for a bit". NOPE, the boss comes back in the very next room to chase you down a corridor. You can fight him, he's not too hard if you know what you're doing. Or you can just open a door and leave.

TooMuchAbstraction has a new favorite as of 00:32 on Apr 18, 2023

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



On my third run of the Resident Evil 4 remake and finally saved up enough to buy the infinite rocket launcher, and it's one of the most fun things ever for just running through a game doing goofy shenanigans. It gives you a weirdly small amount of damage if you aim it too close to yourself, so formerly tense setpieces even in tightly enclosed areas now just turn into you running around like crazy launching a tactical nuke every couple seconds. It's great, the only downside is that you still have to keep some other type of weapon on hand so you have a way to rescue the occasional escort mission character without just blowing them up too.

Hirayuki
Mar 28, 2010


TooMuchAbstraction posted:

So, fun little thing in a game made 32 years ago: Final Fantasy 4 has a mandatory unwinnable fight against the Dark Elf. Before the fight happens, it quietly records your inventory, and any consumed items during the fight are refunded to you.
:aaa:

I've been playing that game for 32 years and I had no idea. That's wonderful. :allears:

(It still let you waste items elsewhere, though.)

Zero_Grade
Mar 18, 2004

Darktider 🖤🌊

~Neck Angels~

Read After Burning posted:

What are some of y'alls favorite examples of this?

I put an insane amount of hours into the air hockey mini-game in Beyond Good and Evil. :allears:
Tetra Master (Final Fantasy IX)
Blitzball (Final Fantasy X)
Crash mode (any given Burnout title)
Skyrim overworld (The Elder Scrolls V)

Plus if the auction house in various MMOs counts, hoo boy have I spent a ton of time in the past playing the markets.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Read After Burning posted:

What are some of y'alls favorite examples of this?

I put an insane amount of hours into the air hockey mini-game in Beyond Good and Evil. :allears:

Gwent

Read After Burning
Feb 19, 2013

"All this, for me? 💃Ah, you didn't have to! 🥰"
While these aren't necessarily his favorite, my partner mentioned the card games from KOTOR and New Vegas as being very popular.

I would have played a whole side game of the figurine thing from Wind Waker, but I guess that's almost just Pokemon Snap, ha. I also enjoyed hunting for landmarks in Watch Dogs 2, so I think I just like scavenger hunts, ha.

I was utterly obsessed with the river rafting minigame in Twilight Princess, I'd love a game of just river rafting. :kiddo:

TooMuchAbstraction posted:

As a kid, I used to play the NES hockey game Blades of Steel specifically because there was a between-periods ad for other Konami games, which had a 50-50 chance of being a small playable Gradius demo. So I'd just flail around at random during the hockey part and then hope I got lucky and got to fly a spaceship for 15 seconds.

:lol:, kids rule.

Read After Burning has a new favorite as of 03:36 on Apr 18, 2023

Morpheus
Apr 18, 2008

My favourite little monsters

At first I enjoyed Gwent, until I realized it was an in-universe pay-to-win scam. Not rich enough to have a deck full of those 10-score cards that are immune to everything? Have fun losing, nerd.

goblin week
Jan 26, 2019

Absolute clown.

Morpheus posted:

At first I enjoyed Gwent, until I realized it was an in-universe pay-to-win scam. Not rich enough to have a deck full of those 10-score cards that are immune to everything? Have fun losing, nerd.

Such is the case with all collectible card games

Sally
Jan 9, 2007


Don't post Small Dash!

credburn
Jun 22, 2016
President, Founder of the Brent Spiner Fan Club
I enjoyed Gwent. I've been trying to play Thronebreaker, but... they have these obnoxious encounters which are just puzzles. I want to play Gwent, not a puzzle game goddammit.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


credburn posted:

I enjoyed Gwent. I've been trying to play Thronebreaker, but... they have these obnoxious encounters which are just puzzles. I want to play Gwent, not a puzzle game goddammit.

There is a Gwent stand alone game but it's pretty different from the real one

credburn
Jun 22, 2016
President, Founder of the Brent Spiner Fan Club

Opopanax posted:

There is a Gwent stand alone game but it's pretty different from the real one

I thought Thronebreaker was the standalone Gwent game?

TGG
Aug 8, 2003

"I Dare."
They put a Hearthstone/Magic Arena equivalent out, I believe over GoG. Best I'm aware it changes a large amount of the mechanics. I enjoyed Thronebreaker but I more went through for the story and just snagged quick tutorials for annoying puzzles.

credburn
Jun 22, 2016
President, Founder of the Brent Spiner Fan Club

TGG posted:

They put a Hearthstone/Magic Arena equivalent out, I believe over GoG. Best I'm aware it changes a large amount of the mechanics. I enjoyed Thronebreaker but I more went through for the story and just snagged quick tutorials for annoying puzzles.

Hey, let me ask you, if I were to say, skip all puzzle-related encounters, how much am I missing/loving myself? I imagine I might do some, but if I get stuck I'm just going to move on.

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?
I got Days Gone during the spring sale and I recently started playing it, and the main character is generally a pretty dour angry white guy protagonist. Early on I did a mission where I got a crazy prepper's radio tower back online for him so he could start broadcasting his dumbass radio show again, and while leaving the area he gives the first resumed broadcast. At the end of it the dour white guy protagonist just yells in the most exasperated voice "THAT'S JUST GREAT RADIO WHATEVER IS BACK ON THE AIR AGAIN! OH GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE?" totally cracked up when it fired because it was so unexpected.

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad

The DAYS GONE player man is one of the better (or maybe 'more realistic') post-apocalyptic characters I have played, in that he has gone about 80% nuts and gets seriously unhinged when dealing with scavvers and looters. He's about as far from Quip McHero as you can go and I appreciated it a lot.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Read After Burning posted:

What are some of y'alls favorite examples of this?

I put an insane amount of hours into the air hockey mini-game in Beyond Good and Evil. :allears:

I never got good at it. Was I just poo poo (plausible) or was there something to it? (I haven't played the game in uhh a long while so I just don't remember.)

darkwasthenight
Jan 7, 2011

GENE TRAITOR

Read After Burning posted:

While these aren't necessarily his favorite, my partner mentioned the card games from KOTOR and New Vegas as being very popular.

New Vegas has a bunch of card games, being set in Vegas and all that. Caravan is the main one and still mostly incomprehensible to me despite putting a couple thousand hours into the game, but luckily you can totally ignore it and don't even have to play a mandatory game to pass a tutorial quest or anything.

I HAVE played a bunch of Blackjack in game though and your Luck stat affect your card draws so it's probably given me a warped view of how easy it is to rip off a casino.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

darkwasthenight posted:

New Vegas has a bunch of card games, being set in Vegas and all that. Caravan is the main one and still mostly incomprehensible to me despite putting a couple thousand hours into the game, but luckily you can totally ignore it and don't even have to play a mandatory game to pass a tutorial quest or anything.

I HAVE played a bunch of Blackjack in game though and your Luck stat affect your card draws so it's probably given me a warped view of how easy it is to rip off a casino.

Caravan is actually really simple but it isn't, perhaps, well taught in the game.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

3D Megadoodoo posted:

Caravan is actually really simple but it isn't, perhaps, well taught in the game.

Yeah, the 'tutorial' for it is really bad and seems actively counterproductive.

Funny thing, one of the best and most wealthy Caravan players in the game is No-Bark Noonan.

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad

darkwasthenight posted:

luckily you can totally ignore it and don't even have to play a mandatory game to pass a tutorial quest or anything.

I appreciate this a lot in games, that whole 'Gamer has decided not to learn this mechanic' thing is me and card games every time; no, I am here to hunt monsters and cast spells, please put your deck of cards away

(Alternate comedy Geralt The only cards I like are the ones I collect after sex-having :mmmhmm: )

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

NoneMoreNegative posted:

I appreciate this a lot in games, that whole 'Gamer has decided not to learn this mechanic' thing is me and card games every time; no, I am here to hunt monsters and cast spells, please put your deck of cards away

(Alternate comedy Geralt The only cards I like are the ones I collect after sex-having :mmmhmm: )

Now that just reminds me of how Majima when playable in Yakuza 0 and visiting Kamurocho brushes off Pocket Circuit as kiddy poo poo, but later on in Kiwami when he finds Kiryu in there he immediately falls in love with the place- after Pocket Circuit Fighter defuses a fight between him and Kiryu, which you gotta admit takes brass balls.

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?

NoneMoreNegative posted:

The DAYS GONE player man is one of the better (or maybe 'more realistic') post-apocalyptic characters I have played, in that he has gone about 80% nuts and gets seriously unhinged when dealing with scavvers and looters. He's about as far from Quip McHero as you can go and I appreciated it a lot.

It's *extremely* refreshing, yeah. Just muttering under his breath 80% of the time, 5% of the time talking calmly but with frustration to people, and 15% of the time yelling at the top of his lungs as I machete poo poo.

Vidaeus
Jan 27, 2007

Cats are gonna cat.
I remember having a lot of fun playing the card game Pazaak in Star Wars Kotor. It was a bit like black jack but with more advanced cards that let you lower your score and do other interesting things.

Philippe
Aug 9, 2013

(she/her)
The racing game in Death Stranding Director's Cut is pretty fun.

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woke kaczynski
Jan 23, 2015

How do you do, fellow antifa?



Fun Shoe
Voltorb Flip was way more entertaining than it needed to be. Pokemon contests in Ruby and Sapphire, too.

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