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I had the album on my mind when I posted but full agree to all of this. For some reason God is a woman is still my current favorite Ari track but I also have this weird nostalgia evolution from the Groove Coverage track of the same name from undergrad. I need to spend more time with thank u.
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I lied earlier, Touch It is closer to Into You than Greedy for me-- for some reason I forgot Touch It was indeed on Dangerous Woman. At any rate p much the whole album slaps. Special mention to the ??? Final Fantasy Brave Exvius ??? version of Touch It they released when Ari was ???? made a character in the game ??? I wish that version of the song had a proper release b/c it fuckin owns
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This video is the best Jacob's Ladder remake that's come out in the past year.
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Vince MechMahon posted:This video is the best Jacob's Ladder remake that's come out in the past year. This poo poo is making me want to bust out my blu ray for The Fall tbh e: lol yeah now i want to watch both e2: oh no wonder, Tarsem Singh directed this video 
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Sep 18, 2020 22:07
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Genius. Going with the director who made The Cell was such a smart decision for a video like this.
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Finally listened to the new Gaga. It’s p good. Ava Max album is good too!
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I'm lttp but Kim Petra's album Turn off the Light is one of best dark pop albums I have ever heard. Very Hotline Miami at times.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I'm lttp but Kim Petra's album Turn off the Light is one of best dark pop albums I have ever heard. Very Hotline Miami at times. I recommend Clarity if you haven't heard it already. Constantly going back to it.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I'm lttp but Kim Petra's album Turn off the Light is one of best dark pop albums I have ever heard. Very Hotline Miami at times. She's so good, it's such a shame about the Dr Luke connection bc she is just a bop queen. Hillside Boys still gets me turned the gently caress up
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Yeah, her statements on it have also been pretty disappointing- including one that implied she didn't believe Kesha (that she later walked back somewhat, but she's also still working with him so...).
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Kim doesn't have a clue what happened with Dr. Luke and Kesha, her statements have always supported Kesha while still retaining it is not her business. Canceling Kim because of Dr. Luke is stupid. She doesn't know what happened, it's not her business, and Petras is in a place where she still needs Dr. Luke to survive at the top of AWAL's promotion and approach on artists.
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Solomon Gumball posted:Kim doesn't have a clue what happened with Dr. Luke and Kesha, her statements have always supported Kesha while still retaining it is not her business. Canceling Kim because of Dr. Luke is stupid. She doesn't know what happened, it's not her business, and Petras is in a place where she still needs Dr. Luke to survive at the top of AWAL's promotion and approach on artists. She knows the allegations and still works with him. Enough for me. "But she wouldn't be as famous and make as much money if she didn't work with the credibly accused serial rapist," is an argument that shows more that you're a piece of poo poo than absolves her of anything. That just tells me that you believe, and are positing she also believes, that making it is worth associating with monsters. That's disgusting. gently caress off.
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Solomon Gumball posted:Kim doesn't have a clue what happened with Dr. Luke and Kesha, her statements have always supported Kesha while still retaining it is not her business. I mean they did get better but one of her first statements re: working with Dr Luke was "I would like my fans to know that I wouldn’t work with somebody I believe to be an abuser of women, definitely not" which seems pretty explicit. Hard to read that as supporting Kesha...
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Yeah but the waters are muddied because Katy Perry had nothing bad to say or any allegations against Dr. Luke. That was explicitly made clear too. So stupid. Kim's her own deal, I'm not canceling over her who she works with. She's the best pop star to come out in the last few years. The Kesha vs. Dr. Luke has not even been settled and I'm sure is complicated not to defend anyone but cancel culture over a growing trans artist that has far more sway than someone like Dorian Electra or any other trans artist because she doesn't make it a selling point, she relies on her vocal skills which are very good and the sad fact is trans acceptance is still low and the sad fact is she passes better than any other notable trans artist right now. When it comes down to it the songs are excellent and she plays a role in those too, not just Dr. Luke. Solomon Gumball fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Oct 5, 2020 |
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foutre posted:I mean they did get better but one of her first statements re: working with Dr Luke was "I would like my fans to know that I wouldn’t work with somebody I believe to be an abuser of women, definitely not" which seems pretty explicit. Hard to read that as supporting Kesha... She obviously meant that her own first-hand experiences with Luke didn't show him to be an abuser.
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Solomon Gumball posted:Yeah but the waters are muddied because Katy Perry had nothing bad to say or any allegations against Dr. Luke. That was explicitly made clear too. 
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Solomon Gumball posted:Yeah but the waters are muddied because Katy Perry had nothing bad to say or any allegations against Dr. Luke. That was explicitly made clear too. This is a weird post but being trans doesn't make someone immune from criticism, doubly so when their gender has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Kaitlyn Jenner is a very prominent trans woman, but she's also still a total loving piece of poo poo. These two things aren't mutually exclusive.
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It's completely fine to continue enjoying Kim Petras' music despite her connection to a piece of poo poo. If you can remove the art from the artist while still acknowledging how problematic those connections are, live yo' drat life. Alternately, if people don't want to support Petras because of that connection, they can live their drat life as well. Trying to justify it is a bit much tho. Just because Kim Petras and Katy Perry didn't end up on the wrong side of Dr. Luke being a massive loving creep doesn't suddenly absolve him of that. Plenty of abusers appear to be normal rear end people to those they are not abusing.
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Vince MechMahon posted:This is a weird post but being trans doesn't make someone immune from criticism, doubly so when their gender has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Kaitlyn Jenner is a very prominent trans woman, but she's also still a total loving piece of poo poo. These two things aren't mutually exclusive. Being trans doesn't make Petras immune from criticism. But being the first out trans pop-star does probably mean she has less choice of which producers to work with, compared to a cis person at the same level of fame.
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Lord Krangdar posted:Being trans doesn't make Petras immune from criticism. But being the first out trans pop-star does probably mean she has less choice of which producers to work with, compared to a cis person at the same level of fame. Yeah I still don’t think it gives a pass. Like I realise this sounds a bit close to “we can’t criticise minorities PC gone mad!!” But not having as much of a choice still leaves Petras with a choice, and Kesha was still a victim, so Petras supporting an abuser is still her choice.
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edit: eh it was a dumb statement. I mainly meant how often the discussion comes up when she’s brought up online. I knew about it before anything else about her, and could’ve sworn Spotify in the past even had his name on her stuff.
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Paperback Writer posted:Petras really should’ve known how a huge percentage of pop music fans would feel about him. I hate to break it to you but a huge percentage of pop music fans have no idea who Dr. Luke is or what he has done, both in terms of his production and his abuse. Producers aren't widely known names to the broader audience, even the absolutely biggest ones like Max Martin or Luke. They have massive amounts of leverage in the careers of the artists they work with but because they tend to stay behind the camera they can slip under the radar when they do lovely things like abuse their artists. Kim is making a bet that more people will hear her music and not know or care about who produces it, just that it sounds good. She's still not a particularly major artist (Clarity hit 91 on the albums chart in its week of release, which is her only Billboard exposure beyond the dance chart) but definitely has the talent, and Dr Luke clearly hasn't done enough to keep him off of the charts because of his actions. The people who know about and care about producers outside of the industry is small and not particularly powerful.
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teacup posted:But not having as much of a choice still leaves Petras with a choice, and Kesha was still a victim, so Petras supporting an abuser is still her choice. Ok, so imagine Petras had refused to work with Luke early on. Her whole career flushed away, and much of the progress she made for trans people along with it. Meanwhile, Luke is still a multi-millionaire who just goes on to produce for Doja Cat or whoever else comes along. What has actually been accomplished? I want to live in a world where abusers are held accountable. Not one where the people they have power over are blamed, by proxy. If I had a friend who got into a relationship with someone I knew was abusive in the past, I would be concerned for her and disgusted by the abuser. I would not be focused on criticizing her for "supporting" him. Again, what does that accomplish?
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Paperback Writer posted:edit: eh it was a dumb statement. I mainly meant how often the discussion comes up when she’s brought up online. I knew about it before anything else about her, and could’ve sworn Spotify used to even have his names on her tracks. He is credited as "made in china", his names don't appear on any tracks. None of us know what the hell happened. It's a he said/she said and he doesn't have any other allegations against anyone else. Yet everyone is so quick to jump to her side and against the artist he works with. This isn't the people's court. Petras has nothing to do with any of it. It's much more complicated with Petras being on AWAL and essentially being an indie pop musician though AWAL has her at the top tier position, Kobalt's self-control label works very differently than others. She actively needs to churn out hits and if it works Luke, she's going to stick with him or else she loses her Kobalt benefits at her level and she's at a place where she's in a position that she could. It would harm her career much differently than anyone on Universal or a major. Being trans doesn't give her a pass, I said she is the most popular trans star right now because our society is not very trans inclusive, hell it's still working on being gay inclusive. She can advance advocacy for trans rights and is the best person in position to do so. You can see all the YouTube comments that say "she's not trans, I can't believe it". We are working at such a low level for any kind of trans acceptance and she's advocating for it in positive ways. It's the loving sad truth, it's not just backwoods US. She gets a pass because Luke hasn't done poo poo to her, she doesn't know gently caress all about what happened with Kesha and all she can say in her position is she supports victims like anyone could, and Perry claimed no problems with Luke. Yet everyone jumped immediately to Kesha's side whose career was already on a downward trajectory as it was and her "comeback" didn't really pan out. No one knows what happened except for Luke and Kesha. Perry and Petras can share they haven't had any issues but it's ridiculous to immediately cancel Luke over a he said/she said with no supportive evidence, legal investigation, or anything else. It's just because he's male and a relic of the 00s with a few hits largely being a 1-2 hit wonder in the history books's fans are going to find any excuse to blame her downward trajectory on shittier music. Didn't Kesha even have to back peddle in legal proceedings even? That's not a good look. If she was affected, that's terrible and people can choose to work with Luke or not but all of it has been hearsay on one allegation from one person. It shows how ridiculous cancel culture has become and the fact you're not innocent until proven guilty despite the same people wanting the poo poo. Why not focus on the likes of chart-toppers like Chris Brown which have active receipts yet are still constantly in the top 10? There's hard evidence there and he's front-and-center not a behind the scenes producer with mere allegations. Cancelling Petras is stupid if she was unaffected, she has no idea and it's not her position. She parroted the line you have to say regardless or else she could have faced criticism. It's ridiculous to me how my post gets raked but it contains the facts that no on loving knows and it's not any excuse to cancel Petras. Especially when there are active abusers constantly charting with legal proof they are abusers, it astounds me how Luke has been so negatively effective over an allegation from only one co-worker and somehow that's more of a focus than the majority of actual pop and hip hop artists actively charting with either proof and proceedings or more than just one allegation. Solomon Gumball fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Oct 7, 2020 |
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I'm not reading that. I'm also not going to financially support a rapist, so Kim will never get another cent from me as long as she's working with one.
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Solomon Gumball posted:He is credited as "made in china", his names don't appear on any tracks. sir/ma'am this is a wendy's
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The mindset of blaming Petras for Luke's actions is basically the same mindset as victim blaming, just applied to a slightly different situation. Its still ignoring the power dynamic at play, in the exact same way. Right before Petras started working with Luke, she was part of a discriminated against minority, essentially broke and homeless in a foreign country, living on friend's couches. Luke is her boss in the situation. Essentially, she works for an abuser. Not works with. She is in a very vulnerable spot. And yeah, she could give up her career to avoid Luke. But Kesha could have too, when Luke first began abusing her. The point is, neither of them should have to (which is why Kesha pushed through and refused to give up, despite everything going against her). Predatorial men are the ones who need to be pushed out of the entertainment industry, not the women they have power over. That's backwards. To be clear, I don't care who does or does not choose to listen to Petras' music. Its just troubling that because its so hard to hold powerful men accountable, it's become trendy to attack the nearest vulnerable woman instead. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Oct 7, 2020 |
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Lord Krangdar posted:The mindset of blaming Petras for Luke's actions is basically the same mindset as victim blaming, just applied to a slightly different situation. Its still ignoring the power dynamic at play, in the exact same way. Right before Petras started working with Luke, she was part of a discriminated against minority, essentially broke and homeless in a foreign country, living on friend's couches. Luke is her boss in the situation. Essentially, she works for an abuser. Not works with. She is in a very vulnerable spot. Nobody’s blaming her for what Luke did. Stop being obtuse. Predatory men do need pushed out and one of the most effective ways to do that is to stop working with them so they’re not valuable to anyone. Artists like Kim working with Luke disincentivizes people to push Dr. Luke out. I get that she has a lot on the line and if she wants to keep working with him, that’s her prerogative, but the fact that she has that choice doesn’t absolve her of helping to keep him relevant.
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Petras is big enough now that she could stop working with Luke if she really wanted to tbh Anyway I think it sucks but I’m not gonna boycott her over it but I’m also not gonna think any less of anyone who does. It’s a totally fair decision to make imo!!
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Lord Krangdar posted:The mindset of blaming Petras for Luke's actions is basically the same mindset as victim blaming, just applied to a slightly different situation. Its still ignoring the power dynamic at play, in the exact same way. Right before Petras started working with Luke, she was part of a discriminated against minority, essentially broke and homeless in a foreign country, living on friend's couches. Luke is her boss in the situation. Essentially, she works for an abuser. Not works with. She is in a very vulnerable spot. She was already popular in Germany making money on makeup commercials? She's not some bum off the street that Luke saved. She was on German TV and well known about her transition since she did it so young. She has acknowledged all of this. She's had one break out hit ("I Don't Want It at All" - only charted in the US on the dance chart at 54), she's in no position to make hasty decisions especially with an upward trajectory with Malibu having her have a single that finally cracks the Top 100 in the UK (and at a low 88) and didn't chart anywhere in the US. Just because she has two great albums doesn't mean a thing in the music business - Clarity charted at 91 on the Top 200 and Turn of the Light didn't even crack it and hit 14 on the Heatseeker's chart. Due to her deal with Kobalt AWAL she has to compete on the indie charts too which is going against all genres - 26 and 42. Those are C-list at best numbers and do not translate to all the Prada and Fendi she sings about, something if anything about Petras's music that is problematic is it glorifies capitalism like crazy; other poppers aren't name dropping Prada in every song. She doesn't have to solely work with Luke and he's not her boss. Kobalt is her 'boss' if anything in the sense she chose to be an indie pop artist and sign with AWAL. She's worked with Cheat Codes and Kygo, she's not beholden or prisoner to Luke in any way. Escobarbarian posted:Petras is big enough now that she could stop working with Luke if she really wanted to tbh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Petras_discography She barely cracks the charts and is not big at all unless you listen to pop music, 99% of people do not know who Kim Petras is. She could walk, so could have Kesha and Perry, they were in a much better position to do so. It's not a meltdown, you're out of touch with reality. Kim Petras is an up-and-comer and that's it. She still plays small venues and tours, doesn't chart unless it's under the up-and-comers Heatseeker's chart. It doesn't equal money especially under her unique kind of contract. weekly font posted:Here’s the lowlights. Sorry you live in some kind of bubble but Chris Brown (currently #16 on the Top 100 US charts - https://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100 and other abusers are constantly on the charts - take a look at the rest of that list and count them up). The last time I checked, Lowtax or whoever runs these forums aren't paying popstars and running Billboard or record labels. This thread doesn't matter, the general populace and people who buy and support abusers' careers do. They actually have criminal and civil records which are heinous while Luke vs. Kesha is still a proceeding case and you can read the Wikipedia I linked below that doesn't show it going very well for Kesha and these are people who understand law. Her case continues to disintegrate yet Dr. Luke is automatically found guilty by a bunch of aging pop/Kesha stans. Completely missing the point. Solomon Gumball fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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You guys really are clueless on how Kobalt AWAL works, Petras just simply can't leave. It's a completely different structure and Petras just cracked the top tier list year giving her massive amounts of benefits from them. Otherwise she'd be on Allie X's level whose also signed to AWAL. They are on new and different kind of contracts than most pop artists and have to operate their business in a different way. No one outside of the pop fandom world knows Allie X unless she benefits from CANCON in Canada, she's an unknown to 99% of Americans moreso than Petras, and why she's at a lower benefit rate.
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esperterra posted:sir/ma'am this is a wendy's Yeah it's a long post but is it not factual? We don't have any idea what happened between the two, it's not right to take a side to cancel someone without being found guilty. You're innocent until proven guilty, yet proven guilty popstars still top the charts and people outside of the pophead world don't care. I linked the Top 100 and you can get a pretty big list of those with criminal and civil suits that have lost and proven guilty. https://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kesha_v._Dr._Luke Let an actual court figure it out, Kesha sure is backpedaling and that's why her injunction was denied. I guess Tick Tock and Timber are so essential to the popworld we will immediately jump on the man did it bandwagon. The sentiment to defend Kesha so vehemently shows an inherent bias, I highly doubt any of you would be so invested in something that has nothing to do with you at all if it were Dr. Luke claiming abuse first against Kesha. Solomon Gumball fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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