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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I have gotten two weird Says and no tells so it sounds like I've had it lucky I haven't ever gotten one and nor do most people I know and we play on Crystal. It's weird.
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as anecdotes go I've never gotten any passes on a lala or roe did get some weird tells once on my highlander dude alt though
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May 28, 2021 03:08
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Resubbed today, started catching up on the last couple patches. Started with finishing the Weapon storyline. To be honest, Gaius getting a happy feel-good redemption arc sits really badly with me. Bad enough he came back at all. But the fact that I feel zero sympathy for him meant the emotional weight of the finale didn't work for me. Yeah, poo poo sucks for you, dude. You knowingly walked into all of it and brought all this on yourself.
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May 28, 2021 03:10
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I think I've gotten a few people doing custom butt-slapping emotes (or similar) on my catgirl but never any creepy DMs the closest was someone telling me I had a cute glamour but I choose to believe it was a genuine compliment
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May 28, 2021 03:11
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If you don't bring it on yourself it isn't really a redemption storyline.
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May 28, 2021 03:13
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Cythereal posted:To be honest, Gaius getting a happy feel-good redemption arc sits really badly with me. Bad enough he came back at all. But the fact that I feel zero sympathy for him meant the emotional weight of the finale didn't work for me. Yeah, poo poo sucks for you, dude. You knowingly walked into all of it and brought all this on yourself. I felt bad for the kids but yeah I wasn't a fan of Gaius' crimes being forgotten. I might've been more inclined to like Gaius if he had to endure the people who he wronged being upset with him and not welcoming him back, but he continued to soldier on to do good in spite of his unappreciated efforts (like Ramza from FFT). Would've sold me on him. But instead, people who have every reason to hate his guts instead drop their beefs with him and become buddy buddy with him.
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May 28, 2021 03:15
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Cythereal posted:Resubbed today, started catching up on the last couple patches. Started with finishing the Weapon storyline. It was good, actually.
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May 28, 2021 03:46
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Cythereal posted:Resubbed today, started catching up on the last couple patches. Started with finishing the Weapon storyline. One thing that the Bozja quests makes really clear that I think is an interesting wrinkle for everything in eorzea and the worldbuilding in general is that despite its imperialist status, for a lot of people life under imperial rule actually is a huge improvement to life under the way more stratified societies that the empire displaced. Gaius's vision and dream of the empire under his hands was something he was actively doing and provided tangible results, and being confronted with how the empire functioned outside of his sphere of influence is what changes him over time.
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May 28, 2021 03:50
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I think the whole point of that arc is that Gaius finds himself looking into the face of himself--literally in one case, with the Emerald Weapon. Valens is doing what Gaius did, to achieve the same things Gaius wanted to do. Right down to adopting war orphans. The only difference in what they were doing is in the why, and the point Gaius ends up facing and acknowledging by the end of it is that the why of it isn't enough, and was never enough to justify or excuse it. That the children he lost are the same children lost to every war. Gaius was a power-hungry authoritarian who outright went rogue before the empire even fell to satiate his desire for conquest under the belief and justification that only the strong should rule because only they'd have the means to protect. He saw others as future citizens and was socially egalitarian. This is largely why he can manage a redemption arc: there are understandable desires and idealistic goals twisted up by a lust for power and the rhetoric of empire. I suspect if we ever got a more in-depth explanation on why Werlyt was so willing to bring him in it'd probably be because his actions and reforms weren't outwardly malicious and in some ways may have even been decent, in the same kind of way Gabranth's were for Bozja. Him loving Livia is really gross though.
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May 28, 2021 03:56
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I have gotten two weird Says and no tells so it sounds like I've had it lucky The most I've ever gotten for being a Roe is people talking about how they hardly ever see one. That or mentioning how much taller i am than everyone else.
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May 28, 2021 04:04
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Hogama posted:as anecdotes go I've never gotten any passes on a lala or roe drat, I figured as a highlander dude, we'd be practically immune to creeps of all sorts. And I even go running around with a Uraes coat or whatever it's called too! The only memorable tells I've gotten were people asking me if I was doing a Dante cosplay. It wasn't intentional but I guess I did up looking pretty close to that.
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May 28, 2021 04:10
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Ironslave posted:Him loving Livia is really gross though. They went really out of their way to deny that after Sapphire Weapon, though. Personally, I felt to an annoying extent, as someone who never really thought that was the intended subtext in the first place.
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May 28, 2021 04:11
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Ironslave posted:I think the whole point of that arc is that Gaius finds himself looking into the face of himself--literally in one case, with the Emerald Weapon. Valens is doing what Gaius did, to achieve the same things Gaius wanted to do. Right down to adopting war orphans. The only difference in what they were doing is in the why, and the point Gaius ends up facing and acknowledging by the end of it is that the why of it isn't enough, and was never enough to justify or excuse it. That the children he lost are the same children lost to every war. Gaius went Rogue cuz everyone else wanted to drop a big ol rock onto Eorzea and murderize everyone, not because he was too conquest hungry. The Livia stuff was rejected in the Weapon storyline, she wanted his love and he never gave it.
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May 28, 2021 04:12
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Gaius went Rogue cuz everyone else wanted to drop a big ol rock onto Eorzea and murderize everyone, not because he was too conquest hungry. Gaius fed the Scions intel in 1.0, he actually went rogue in 2.0 when he decided he wasn't going to wait for imperial approval or the end of the succession crisis before invading Eorzea for himself. And yeah, the Livia stuff is how they'd like us to read it now, and I'm glad to do it. I mostly refer to it because that's pretty directly what is being implied at the time, and it's really funny thinking of that vs. how they want us to view him currently.
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May 28, 2021 04:16
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I was watching a friend play through the game for the first time and even in that very first cut scene with Gaius at lv15 he actually says he hates what the Empire did with Meteor as almost his very spoken first line ingame as he's walking off the airship. He calls it "The Great Sin".
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May 28, 2021 04:48
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yeah i like him because i liked general leo in ff6
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May 28, 2021 05:02
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There's still that one scene, where he says something like "my chambers in an hour" to her, or something to that general effect. It's kinda hard to interpret that charitably. Personally I'dve liked Werlyt more if, even if Gaius is a standup guy who redeems himself on top of showing (not just telling) his good intentions, the WoL just constantly, constantly had dialogue options dunking on him and giving him the stankface like when we first run into him in the Burn.
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May 28, 2021 05:05
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Mazed posted:There's still that one scene, where he says something like "my chambers in an hour" to her, or something to that general effect. I would not have taken those, but they should have been an option.
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May 28, 2021 05:06
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Mazed posted:There's still that one scene, where he says something like "my chambers in an hour" to her, or something to that general effect.
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May 28, 2021 05:10
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Gaius's ARR goal was to subjugate Eorzea before they could start summoning more primals and gently caress things up even further, he just went about it in literally the worst way possible morally, logistically, just every decision he did exactly the wrong thing.
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Mazed posted:There's still that one scene, where he says something like "my chambers in an hour" to her, or something to that general effect. More than that, I'd like moments of random bystanders giving him poo poo for his previous actions. The WoL doesn't need to be the mouthpiece of every single injustice in the world (although I'd like more options to bring them up), I think it would carry more weight and be more interesting to just have Random Nobody Fisherman call him out for what happened to his family in the war. In retrospect, I'd also like to hear what Gaius' rule over Ala Mhigo was like compared to Zenos'. We know Zenos loved him some suppression through vilification, but it seems like that was never Gaius' style, and I'd like to know how their rules over the same place differed.
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Chillgamesh posted:I was watching a friend play through the game for the first time and even in that very first cut scene with Gaius at lv15 he actually says he hates what the Empire did with Meteor as almost his very spoken first line ingame as he's walking off the airship. He calls it "The Great Sin". thinking way back when I was a newbie and seeing that cutscene and having no idea what anyone was talking about lol Cleretic posted:More than that, I'd like moments of random bystanders giving him poo poo for his previous actions. The WoL doesn't need to be the mouthpiece of every single injustice in the world (although I'd like more options to bring them up), I think it would carry more weight and be more interesting to just have Random Nobody Fisherman call him out for what happened to his family in the war. Like half of every Werlyt quest is someone from Ala Mhigo and Terncliff yelling at him
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May 28, 2021 05:19
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isn't one of gaius' companions literally a guy that's there specifically to murder him instantly if he catches him slipping?
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Rhonne posted:The most I've ever gotten for being a Roe is people talking about how they hardly ever see one. That or mentioning how much taller i am than everyone else. Same here. I actually changed to Roe in small part because my Viera had a stalker. It was another Viera on my server, and she started PMing me when she saw me to tell me my aesthetic was good, but then like... kept going... then did it again. Then started doing it whenever she saw me. I could have just blocked her, but I'd already been thinking on swapping, anyway.
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The last time I got any comments on being a roegadame was in the first eden tier I joined a pf group for what was an all popoto static.
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Ivypls posted:isn't one of gaius' companions literally a guy that's there specifically to murder him instantly if he catches him slipping? Yeah, there's that one guy (who's also one of maybe two Duskwights in any main or side content whose story is about him being a Duskwight, so that's cool), but that's still someone who's saying 'he's doing good work now', it's just with an asterisk of 'but if he slips up I'll shank him'. I want the high fantasy equivalent of the nobody who slides into a politician's PR appearance to go 'gently caress you, my wife's dead because of you'.
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May 28, 2021 07:50
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"Ms. Hobbesmaster, are you our chaperone?"
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May 28, 2021 07:58
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Cleretic posted:I want the high fantasy equivalent of the nobody who slides into a politician's PR appearance to go 'gently caress you, my wife's dead because of you'. 
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May 28, 2021 08:45
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M'naago's practically the head of the Resistance at this point. They're not really a no one. I'd probably laugh if we had a random NPC throw a shoe at Gaius though.
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May 28, 2021 11:37
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When the screen at the end came up and said CHAPTER FOUR RETURN OF THE QUEEN, did that mean we had just finished chapter four, or we're just starting it?
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I don't know if I'd entirely call Sorrows of Werylt a "feel good redemption story," like, I guess Gauis gets his cool moment, but it feels less like redemption and more like atonement?Badger of Basra posted:When the screen at the end came up and said CHAPTER FOUR RETURN OF THE QUEEN, did that mean we had just finished chapter four, or we're just starting it? Yes.
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May 28, 2021 14:10
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Another question: is Diablo Armament a reference? The music to me says reference, but when I googled it nothing came up.
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FortMan posted:"Ms. Hobbesmaster, are you our chaperone?" I was a SCH so yes, yes I was! 
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Badger of Basra posted:Another question: is Diablo Armament a reference? The music to me says reference, but when I googled it nothing came up. There's resemblances all over the place, but nothing complete, direct or overt. The music is a mashup of the Bozja theme and Wrath of the Eikons, a 1.0 voidsent theme that eventually became Diabolos' boss theme. That's fair, because as the field notes describe, the Diablo Armament was likely intended to be the host body the Allagans were going to use to shackle Diabolos. Design-wise, it's got some slight resemblance to The Undying, the final boss of FFXII, but that feels like more coincidence than anything.
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May 28, 2021 15:13
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Badger of Basra posted:When the screen at the end came up and said CHAPTER FOUR RETURN OF THE QUEEN, did that mean we had just finished chapter four, or we're just starting it? Bozja has been putting the chapter names at the end.
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Badger of Basra posted:Another question: is Diablo Armament a reference? The music to me says reference, but when I googled it nothing came up. Hogama fucked around with this message at 15:44 on May 28, 2021 |
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not that it matters but it's also painted over neo exdeath's bones which I thought was cute
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Dang, I didn't notice that Diablo Armament music had Diabolos leitmotif because the former is actually good.
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Question about Zadnor’s story for you folks: What choice did you make re: Bajsaljen’s question, and what happened when Misija asked you to kill her? I said that Gabranth and Menenius were ultimately to blame, and when I chose to mercy kill Misija, Bajsaljen did it instead. He looked her right in the eyes and slit her throat. I ask because someone I talked to said that they said it was Bajsaljen’s choice and chose to kill her, but she succumbed to her wounds before he could thetoughestbean fucked around with this message at 18:16 on May 28, 2021 |
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thetoughestbean posted:Question about Zadnor’s story for you folks: What choice did you make re: Bajsaljen’s question, and what happened when Misija asked you to kill her? I said that Gabranth and Menenius were ultimately to blame, and when I chose to mercy kill Misija, Bajsaljen did it instead. He looked her right in the eyes and slit her throat It changes a couple lines of dialogue in that scene but the scene always progresses to the same final, fatal conclusion. Exactly how the conclusion is reached changes though. 
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