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GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

JeffersonClay posted:

apparently 87 percent of democrats are lazy and stupid

Remind me about the wisdom of trying to shame and silence the base?

the base sucks, shut up nerd

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Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

"get russia!!!!" is a literal dead-end of a party direction and will accomplish absolutely nothing but rightfully making the democrats look like whiney little babies who can't own up their own mistakes

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Oh Snapple! posted:

the democrats look like whiney little babies who can't own up their own mistakes

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007

GalacticAcid posted:

the base sucks, shut up nerd

alas you need them to win elections

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
the whole point of 'the base' is that it's dumbfuck deadenders who will believe anything the party leaders tell them and russia is all the retards running the show talk about

tadashi
Feb 20, 2006

Ah, gently caress me, I missed this

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-election-is-this-weekend

quote:

Strategists polled by the Associated Press give Tom Perez (podcast interview) the support of 205 DNC committee members while Keith Ellison (podcast interview) has the support of 153. Jaime Harrison 27; Sally Boynton Brown 10, Pete Buttigieg (podcast interview) 8. Here's the whole story.

So Perez only needs, hypothetically, 19 of Harrison's 27 to switch to him and he'll win on the first ballot. With the pressure on to decide this thing on the first ballot.... we're hosed.

Serf
May 5, 2011


putin must be laughing his rear end off because no matter what we do, he benefits

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

GalacticAcid posted:

the whole point of 'the base' is that it's dumbfuck deadenders who will believe anything the party leaders tell them and russia is all the retards running the show talk about


this. it's "an issue" because the dipshit dems in charge identified it as a great way to deflect from their own fuckups. it's all they loving talk about, so of course "the base" identifies it as something far more important than it actually is. Ire sufficiently redirected, leadership just keeps on coddlin' up to that corporate teat

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
love too force the best possible candidate against larry hogan into a fundraising sinecure

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

I am going to HOLD MY BREATH and if I PASS OUT before FULL COMMUNISM NOW is achieved then the Democratic Party has FAILED FOREVER.

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.
Put this Buttigieg up in 2020, why not.

docbeard posted:

I am going to HOLD MY BREATH and if I PASS OUT before FULL COMMUNISM NOW is achieved then the Democratic Party has FAILED FOREVER.

Oh shut up.

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
writing off the majority of the party as machine-lead sheeple is probably not a good idea

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

docbeard posted:

I am going to HOLD MY BREATH and if I PASS OUT before FULL COMMUNISM NOW is achieved then the Democratic Party has FAILED FOREVER.

you get really upset when people identify that third-wayism is something that will have to be pried from the democratic party's cold, dead hands - likely taking at least the hands and maybe an arm with it.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

I don't actually want full communism now but SENSIBLE SOCIALISM THAT MAINTAINS RESPECT FOR INDIVIDUALITY AND DOESN'T DESCEND INTO AN AUTHORITARIAN NIGHTMARE doesn't really roll off the tongue.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

tadashi posted:

Ah, gently caress me, I missed this

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-election-is-this-weekend


So Perez only needs, hypothetically, 19 of Harrison's 27 to switch to him and he'll win on the first ballot. With the pressure on to decide this thing on the first ballot.... we're hosed.

The silver lining here is that's the opinion of strategists, less than half the actual voting delegates have revealed their opinion on who they plan to vote for.

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

the only poll of actual DNC members has ellison in front

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/320553-ellison-holds-edge-in-dnc-race

Venuz Patrol
Mar 27, 2011

Serf posted:

man if perez wins i might just give up

if the last three months of whining from you weren't giving up, i'm concerned about what this post is implying

JeffersonClay
Jun 17, 2003

by R. Guyovich

GalacticAcid posted:

here are some good things about russia that aren't written by retards

keith gessen in the Guardian

masha gessen in the new york review of books

The first one says

quote:

There is no reason at this point to dispute the consensus view of most intelligence analysts that Russian agents hacked the DNC and then leaked the emails to Julian Assange; it is also a well-known fact that Putin hated Hillary Clinton.
So the 2nd one suggesting Hillary invented the Putin/Trump connection conspiracy theory to whip up anti-Russian opinion and start world war three is peak dumbass. That piece was published November 3rd. Maybe elements of the foreign policy left giving trump a bunch of cover on an issue that clearly motivates the democratic base was a bad idea?

Serf
May 5, 2011


Venuz Patrol posted:

if the last three months of whining from you weren't giving up, i'm concerned about what this post is implying

don't be concerned about an idiot on the internet

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Serf posted:

man if perez wins i might just give up

chin up

https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/832070347314823169

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

docbeard posted:

I am going to HOLD MY BREATH and if I PASS OUT before FULL COMMUNISM NOW is achieved then the Democratic Party has FAILED FOREVER.

but don't you guys see -- we simply cannot alienate our donors because there will never ever ever be a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage

nopants
May 29, 2004

tadashi posted:

From the Politico poll piece:

"I'm surprised that Perez supporters are not picking Ellison as a second choice," said Washington state Democratic Party Chairwoman Tina Podlodowski, an Ellison supporter. "I wonder if it's this desire for less dramatic change."

The DNC just blew an election that is going to end in the New Deal and everything every Democratic President/Congress has done for 70 years. Get hosed.

Yes, but what about MONEY?

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

JeffersonClay posted:

The first one says
So the 2nd one suggesting Hillary invented the Putin/Trump connection conspiracy theory to whip up anti-Russian opinion and start world war three is peak dumbass. That piece was published November 3rd. Maybe elements of the foreign policy left giving trump a bunch of cover on an issue that clearly motivates the democratic base was a bad idea?

did you read the masha piece

the intelligence is garbage

also don't end posts with those disingenuous questions it makes it impossible to read without picturing snot tumbling out of your nose

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

The Hill's poll is garbage

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
plz endeavor to not allow your disgust for the party establishment machinery to translate into disgust for the voters. tia, and go with god

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.
Remember the old Dem thread

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool
i agree w/ investigating putin ties but also you need to actually run literally any branch of government to do anything about it so thats kind of maybe more important (but using it as pressure to get elected along with, you know, something other than anti-trump promises)

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Remember the old Dem thread



this except the part where like 25% of people didn't believe class was an issue

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


bernie or butt

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Concerned Citizen posted:

The Hill's poll is garbage

All polls are garbage, for they are only a false representative of one's soul slide.

tadashi
Feb 20, 2006

paranoid randroid posted:

plz endeavor to not allow your disgust for the party establishment machinery to translate into disgust for the voters. tia, and go with god

This 100%. The DNC chair is decided completely by party insiders and I'm guessing there's a lot of quid pro quo.

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

Concerned Citizen posted:

The Hill's poll is garbage

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

paranoid randroid posted:

plz endeavor to not allow your disgust for the party establishment machinery to translate into disgust for the voters. tia, and go with god

i don't think there's any real disgust inherent to saying "russia is all dem leadership talks about, so the issue is of incredibly inflated importance to the base." especially when the actual sentiment behind it is "gently caress these cowardly weasels for going in this direction"

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

Why not toxx for Ellison?

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool
democrats are notoriously bad about like, thinking about more than one thing at a time

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

Concerned Citizen posted:

Why not toxx for Ellison?

i'm a buttigieg supporter, i don't know what you're talkinga bout

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.

paranoid randroid posted:

plz endeavor to not allow your disgust for the party establishment machinery to translate into disgust for the voters. tia, and go with god

I'm sorry, Dave, I can't do that.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
*republicans move to suppress wages, poison streams, destroy clean drinking water, voucherize public schools, put DOJ in the hands of a klansman*

dems: we have to save the country from trump's putin ties and unite with the reasonable republicans

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Oh Snapple! posted:

i don't think there's any real disgust inherent to saying "russia is all dem leadership talks about, so the issue is of incredibly inflated importance to the base." especially when the actual sentiment behind it is "gently caress these cowardly weasels for going in this direction"

yeah I'm pretty sure everyone in this subforum is down for investigations, it's more on people shouting BUT RUSSIA when someone mentions flaws in greater dnc strategy.

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paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007

GalacticAcid posted:

*republicans move to suppress wages, poison streams, destroy clean drinking water, voucherize public schools, put DOJ in the hands of a klansman*

dems: we have to save the country from trump's putin ties and unite with the reasonable republicans

okay man

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