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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:When someone says "Tumblr Crowd" it's obvious who they're really talking about. No, it really goes all over the place from "person talking positively about feminism" to "dragonkin". I've been accused in person no less(not even the internet) for being a "tumblr person" for agreeing with a woman that a piece of artwork was objectifying. Some folks mean people who are way out there, and some people mean folks who disagree with them. That's why it's useless.
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I don't think anyone here who acknowledges that white privilege is a thing appreciates being lumped in with the otherkin or Riley-what's-her-face-from-Tumblr (it's been years since the ancient PYF mock thread) either.
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Jan 13, 2015 21:09
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:I don't think anyone here who acknowledges that white privilege is a thing appreciates being lumped in with the otherkin or Riley-what's-her-face-from-Tumblr (it's been years since the ancient PYF mock thread) either. Yeah, but they do get lumped in, all the time.
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Jan 13, 2015 21:11
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I think there's kind of a difference between someone who's feminist/pro-LGBT/anti-racism and say...a few of the people I've seen on social media. I've met a lot of those people in the aforementioned group. I asked them a lot of times what is the best thing that I can do? Their response was simply to "listen". Which is something I can and will always do. (honestly, I would like to know what more I can do though). Then there's the Suey Park's of the world who just seem very vicious about anything that just isn't their cause. Attacking Allies and different causes (which I've seen done) doesn't solve anything. It just creates more division or drives people away to the right.
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Jan 13, 2015 21:15
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most people are really loving stupid regardless of ideology, some people are just extra stupid and are also racist, sexist etc.
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Jan 13, 2015 21:17
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Zeitgueist posted:No, it really goes all over the place from "person talking positively about feminism" to "dragonkin". That person would have called you any other name as well. "Tumblr person" was just the first one that came to mind I am guessing.
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Jan 13, 2015 21:18
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FuzzySkinner posted:I think there's kind of a difference between someone who's feminist/pro-LGBT/anti-racism and say...a few of the people I've seen on social media. Yes, but my point was that the term is often used differently by different people. To someone who is fairly solidly in agreement with social justice issue, those terms mean folks who are either appropriating the language in an offensive matter, or who might personal issues that causing them to act out. To dickheads, it's "everyone to the left of Anthony Cumia". Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:That person would have called you any other name as well. "Tumblr person" was just the first one that came to mind I am guessing. Yeah, I know. My point isn't that "freepers of the left" don't exist. Of course they do. It's that some of the terms for them are poisoned.
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Jan 13, 2015 21:20
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:When someone says "Tumblr Crowd" it's obvious who they're really talking about. I know it's been said before but who the gently caress came up with the way Tumblr does comment threads?
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Jan 13, 2015 21:32
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I work in a room full of right-wing lunatics.My Co-worker posted:I'm really anti-government but pro-military. I wish the military would just take over. That's not out of context.
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Jan 13, 2015 21:33
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ZorajitZorajit posted:I work in a room full of right-wing lunatics. I bet he wants an American Pinochet to overthrow THE EVIL NOBONGOMER.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I think there's kind of a difference between someone who's feminist/pro-LGBT/anti-racism and say...a few of the people I've seen on social media. Funny thing: I saw a massive purge of a "Marxist"/Socialist group recently. It was invaded by people posting Islamic mysticism BS that was completely out of context with the group. Literally it was the Muslim version of those hippy dippy Jesus.jpgs my mom posts on her FB. Some folks politely requested that material not be posted because it has nothing to do with the group. Other people were a bit more hostile about it. This was not a discussion about Islamic Socialism, nor were people promoting Islamic Socialism. The man who tipped off the purge was a London residing Arab immigrant who left the Islamic faith due to how ingrained homophobia and sexism were. He made a fantastic and detailed post about the difficulties created when Westerners "frame" what Islam is and isn't for their own political ends. For example, the large majority of Muslims who believe that homosexuality is a punishable sin are not going to truck well with being told that they're not "real Muslims" and that "no true Scotsman" arguments will go no where for them. He was banned, called a racist, and an imperialist but a couple of white California Berkeley students who went on claiming that Religion is materialist.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:I bet he wants an American Pinochet to overthrow THE EVIL NOBONGOMER. She. Also, people without kids can't understand because we don't know what it's like to need to protect our babbies. I'm not kidding. I'm not involved in the conversation now, but I'm tempted to start live-blogging it. Someone please reassure me that this is just posturing and the right doesn't really consider these to be flatly good ideas.
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Jan 13, 2015 21:40
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Zeitgueist posted:People have new and fancy ways to disguise their prejudices, now that the internet has given them an expanded vocabulary. I dunno if I've just become a cynical rear end in a top hat or something, but comedy that I found funny several years ago isn't funny to me anymore. Mainly stuff like South Park & Daniel Tosh (it could just be that he's a terrible comedian and I've wised up like I did with Dane Cook in high school) because they'll say offensive stuff in a satirical manner, which itself isn't offensive, but I always get the vibe of "someone is going to watch this and think it's funny and the right thing to parrot. I tried watching a Bill Burr standup, and he started defending the Duck Dynasty guy having back-rear end beliefs (his argument was "the guy grew up being brainwashed by hardcore Christians, it's not his fault"), I guess it's not really that funny to me anymore.
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Jan 13, 2015 22:15
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ZorajitZorajit posted:She. Also, people without kids can't understand because we don't know what it's like to need to protect our babbies. I'm not kidding. I'm not involved in the conversation now, but I'm tempted to start live-blogging it. Someone please reassure me that this is just posturing and the right doesn't really consider these to be flatly good ideas. 50% of Americans are of below average intelligence, remember.
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Jan 13, 2015 22:32
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seiferguy posted:I dunno if I've just become a cynical rear end in a top hat or something, but comedy that I found funny several years ago isn't funny to me anymore. Mainly stuff like South Park & Daniel Tosh (it could just be that he's a terrible comedian and I've wised up like I did with Dane Cook in high school) because they'll say offensive stuff in a satirical manner, which itself isn't offensive, but I always get the vibe of "someone is going to watch this and think it's funny and the right thing to parrot. I tried watching a Bill Burr standup, and he started defending the Duck Dynasty guy having back-rear end beliefs (his argument was "the guy grew up being brainwashed by hardcore Christians, it's not his fault"), I guess it's not really that funny to me anymore. A lot of comedy is Not Good, but that's true of everything. I actually was going to comment on this with something short, but the truth is that the reasons why standup comedy can be bad are actually fairly complex. For one, comedy is often at poking fun at people, and whether that is thinly disguised bigotry or a genuinely clever commentary is going to vary. Another issue is that a lot of comedians were themselves the target of bullies and they've learned to poo poo on folks farther down the ladder. A lot of comedy is about the comedian and some or many comedians are lovely people. I'm sure somebody has written something a lot more detailed and eloquent than me on the subject. South park was funny when I was looking at it for shock value as a HS kid, "omg look at what they got away with" and there are some fun jokes, and some neat absurdist ones (Critter Christmas, hail satan). But a whole lot of it is the political beliefs of the creators who are fairly standard internet-age tools.
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Jan 13, 2015 22:45
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SP went through a couple of seasons of just not being funny, and being way too topical. Their crazy rear end episodes like Butters Bottom B/Hawaii Ep versus their Obama episodes, for example.
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Jan 13, 2015 22:47
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ZorajitZorajit posted:She. Also, people without kids can't understand because we don't know what it's like to need to protect our babbies. I'm not kidding. I'm not involved in the conversation now, but I'm tempted to start live-blogging it. Someone please reassure me that this is just posturing and the right doesn't really consider these to be flatly good ideas. No, a lot of people in the American right are literally fascists.
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seiferguy posted:I dunno if I've just become a cynical rear end in a top hat or something, but comedy that I found funny several years ago isn't funny to me anymore. Mainly stuff like South Park & Daniel Tosh (it could just be that he's a terrible comedian and I've wised up like I did with Dane Cook in high school) because they'll say offensive stuff in a satirical manner, which itself isn't offensive, but I always get the vibe of "someone is going to watch this and think it's funny and the right thing to parrot. I tried watching a Bill Burr standup, and he started defending the Duck Dynasty guy having back-rear end beliefs (his argument was "the guy grew up being brainwashed by hardcore Christians, it's not his fault"), I guess it's not really that funny to me anymore. Yeah.. it's hard to say where it is but there is certainly that thin line between "making a joke with an offensive viewpoint" and "making a joke using an offensive viewpoint." Like take Family Guy for example. You never feel that the show is intending to champion antisemitism, but there are an awful lot of the kinds of jokes antisemitic people would make. After enough of that you start to get this kind of uncomfortable feeling about laughing about how Mort just acted like a Jewish stereotype again or made a joke about Jews controlling Hollywood or the banks or something. Even though it seems to try to be one of those "equal opportunity offender" type shows, it does get uncomfortable after a while.
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How are u posted:50% of Americans are of below average intelligence, remember. Below median intelligence.
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Idran posted:Below median intelligence. I thought it was supposed to be both. The IQ scale is supposed to be a normal distribution centered on a score of 100 and with each standard deviation corresponding to a 15 point difference. But either way, half of Americans have IQs below 100.
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darthbob88 posted:I thought it was supposed to be both. The IQ scale is supposed to be a normal distribution centered on a score of 100 and with each standard deviation corresponding to a 15 point difference. But either way, half of Americans have IQs below 100. IQ is a shoddy way to measure intelligence should be ignored, mostly.
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darthbob88 posted:I thought it was supposed to be both. The IQ scale is supposed to be a normal distribution centered on a score of 100 and with each standard deviation corresponding to a 15 point difference. But either way, half of Americans have IQs below 100. we're not sure if iq distribution actually maps to a standard distribution though we just assume it does for simplicity's sake but whether it's actually an accurate model of reality 
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And even if it was, in day-to-day life you're far more likely to run into someone 3 deviations above mean than 3 deviations below; distribution's cut off at the low end in terms of daily interactions because people with intelligence that low are basically absent from daily interactions. So even if it was perfectly normally distributed over the population, it still wouldn't hold up in terms of who you actually run into. (Also, even if IQ did work as a measure, there's not all that much effective difference between someone with 90 IQ and someone with 110 IQ. That line was a joke that at some point ended up taken as a serious point.)
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ZorajitZorajit posted:She. Also, people without kids can't understand because we don't know what it's like to need to protect our babbies. I'm not kidding. I'm not involved in the conversation now, but I'm tempted to start live-blogging it. Someone please reassure me that this is just posturing and the right doesn't really consider these to be flatly good ideas. She probably believes it hook, line and sinker and probably has no idea why someone else wouldn't believe her.
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:When someone says "Tumblr Crowd" it's obvious who they're really talking about. The link for "who" has a really good point tho Darth Windu fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Jan 14, 2015 |
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seiferguy posted:I dunno if I've just become a cynical rear end in a top hat or something, but comedy that I found funny several years ago isn't funny to me anymore. Mainly stuff like South Park & Daniel Tosh (it could just be that he's a terrible comedian and I've wised up like I did with Dane Cook in high school) because they'll say offensive stuff in a satirical manner, which itself isn't offensive, but I always get the vibe of "someone is going to watch this and think it's funny and the right thing to parrot. I tried watching a Bill Burr standup, and he started defending the Duck Dynasty guy having back-rear end beliefs (his argument was "the guy grew up being brainwashed by hardcore Christians, it's not his fault"), I guess it's not really that funny to me anymore. That's just kind of a weak and dumb argument. I feel that ignorance is excusable so long as one realizes they hosed up and apologizes for it. No one would have faulted the Duck Dynasty dude had had taken a step back and just said "Uh, wow....I apologize that was wrong of me and I didn't realize that my words would be so offensive, I'm from a different time and place than the current generation". But the guy just flat out doubled down on it and acted like a poo poo head. I don't know...there's a lot of terrible comedy out there. But I don't feel it should stop to exist, but rather allow for it to get it's rear end kicked on it own. That's the thing about comedy that is based on a form of bigotry (IE Eddie Murphy's views on homosexuals in Raw and Delirious)...it ages TERRIBLY. Notice how people don't bring up Sam Kinison or Andrew Dice Clay's names any more? That's not to say I don't enjoy some of Kinison's bits , but it's not something I go to for a laugh any more. I also believe that...offensive stuff is a part of comedy. It just depends on context though and how it's used. Andy Kaufman playing the role of a "Sexist Pig" was actually really hilarious in retrospect because he was actually very pro women's rights. The character he played actually made a point about how hosed up misogynistic attitudes were in that day and age. (they still are). Tosh...I'm not as sure he's able to pull it off mainly because I can't tell whether it's an act or whether he truly is a bro-douche type of guy. It's truly sad when people take a characters attitudes and go the wrong way with them though regardless. People unironically supporting Archie Bunker for example was pretty dumb when you consider the point of his character was to kind of play a foil to the wave of civil rights that were occurring within the 60's and 70's. e: and I also think we could all agree that a world without Don Rickles would be a sad one indeed. His comedy says offensive stuff all the time, BUT goddamn if it's not hilarious, and his "targets" all seem to laugh it up as well.
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Does anyone have that NYT image with the "poor" rich families handy?
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aBagorn posted:Does anyone have that NYT image with the "poor" rich families handy? You mean this one? I think it may have been from The Economist or something of the sort, though. 
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Jan 14, 2015 15:53
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One Hundred and Eighty Thousand dollars in investment income.
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Perestroika posted:You mean this one? I think it may have been from The Economist or something of the sort, though. Google Image search turns up Wallstreet Journal as the original source, an article written by Laura Saunders. E: There it is, link to original: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323689604578220132665726040
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Perestroika posted:You mean this one? I think it may have been from The Economist or something of the sort, though. Can't post that without this:
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Doctor Butts posted:One Hundred and Eighty Thousand dollars in investment income.
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VideoTapir posted:Can't post that without this: Isn't HENRY "High Earner Not Rich Yet"? If all of those people aren't considered rich the word has no meaning.
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Soviet Commubot posted:Isn't HENRY "High Earner Not Rich Yet"? If all of those people aren't considered rich the word has no meaning. Middle-class is poor
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How the hell do you earn 180,000 a year while retired? If only 52,000 of that is investment income where's the rest coming from?
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Soviet Commubot posted:Isn't HENRY "High Earner Not Rich Yet"? If all of those people aren't considered rich the word has no meaning. They usually don't consider themselves rich. And it's usually stupid stuff, like, "We can only afford to have the maid come in three days a week," or "Our European vacation was only for two weeks and this other family had a full month." Like, you see these articles where they complain about how little they have left every month, and it's always after sending kids to private schools and having new cars, and a fancy house, and they still have more left than a lot of people are making period.
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The whole point of HENRY is to try and deflect the reality that they are rich as gently caress. The narrative is something like 'oh well I have a good job, I know, but after all the bills there isn't really that much left, just a little to pad the retirement fund. I'm just working to pay my bills, you know, just like everyone else!' Ignoring the fact that the 'bills' are due to a life of extravagance and that the 'little' they have left is probably the median household income.Vorpal Cat posted:How the hell do you earn 180,000 a year while retired? If only 52,000 of that is investment income where's the rest coming from?
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Ashcans posted:The whole point of HENRY is to try and deflect the reality that they are rich as gently caress. The narrative is something like 'oh well I have a good job, I know, but after all the bills there isn't really that much left, just a little to pad the retirement fund. I'm just working to pay my bills, you know, just like everyone else!' Ignoring the fact that the 'bills' are due to a life of extravagance and that the 'little' they have left is probably the median household income. Aside from that a certain amount of it is people not feeling rich because they're about average in their neighborhood. If all your neighbors make $200,000 a year and you make $150,000 you're going to feel like you don't have a lot comparatively even though any income with six figures is way, way more than you need to live luxuriously.
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What began as innocuous quickly spiraled into UNIONS! DETROIT! RIGHT TO WORK! from the sudden injection of a discharged marine veteran who was actually a long-time friend of mine that went in goofy and level-headed and came out a huge conservative shitbird. I am not the original poster.   "Where few will be great most will succeed and some will live long miserable lives full of failure. But hell the bad comes with the good. Also what I know is you and I will never agree On anything." 
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