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I got SLI 680's when they first came out and now I wish I waited a few months for the 780ti's. Those look awesome, faster than a Titan for $300 less? gently caress yeah! But of course, if you wait a few months again there'll be 880's. There's always something coming "soon".
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Ak Gara posted:I got SLI 680's when they first came out and now I wish I waited a few months for the 780ti's. Only regret I'd have if I were in your shoes would be that I "wasted" a couple hundred bucks for the 680s over the 670s. If you got your pair the same time I got my one, that's, what, solid year and a half of absolutely stellar game quality? And you didn't have to deal with the ATI frame pacing issues, either. You got what you want and used it for a long time. In fact there's a shitload of life left in that setup, apart from some potential VRAM issues that may or may not be a problem outside ridiculous or unoptimized games you've got a setup that still stomps on a 780Ti for performance (the 690 is a good card, but it isn't quite two 680s, performance-wise - 300W TDP is what it is, binning be damned). Regret is "I bought this fuckin' thing like three and a half months ago and now they've dropped the price $150 and released what I really wanted in the first place for more than this cost, oh and it comes with three AAA games and poo poo? And... I'm in?! What's wrong with my brain that I'm actually doing this?  "I genuinely, truly, honestly plan to wait for the 20nm shrink to upgrade to Maxwell. Sincerely do. But I'm not toxxing myself on it, because I have a clear case of the graphics 
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Agreed posted:Only regret I'd have if I were in your shoes would be that I "wasted" a couple hundred bucks for the 680s over the 670s. If you got your pair the same time I got my one, that's, what, solid year and a half of absolutely stellar game quality? And you didn't have to deal with the ATI frame pacing issues, either. You got what you want and used it for a long time. In fact there's a shitload of life left in that setup, apart from some potential VRAM issues that may or may not be a problem outside ridiculous or unoptimized games you've got a setup that still stomps on a 780Ti for performance (the 690 is a good card, but it isn't quite two 680s, performance-wise - 300W TDP is what it is, binning be damned). A chronic case, I'd say! I've been second-guessing myself throughout the day on whether to stick with the XFX (which would come with a copy of Battlefield 4 to offload) or swap for the Powercolor which has been guaranteed unlocks. Here's the current tally of vendors and unclocks. Airisom2 posted:Unofficial 290 -> 290X Flash Results
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That PowerColor 290 is ridiculously tempting. I wonder how the odds have worked that way? Do AMD poo poo out ones that haven't been laser cut on request? Have PowerColor paid for full Hawaii and then sold them cheaper to gain this kind of viral marketing? hosed if I know! HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Nov 18, 2013 |
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You know what's weird? The game that pushes my system the most is Kerbal Space Program. 50 mods + 8k texture mod + playing at 3264x1836p... My SLI 680's really could do with more than 2 gigs of memory.
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KSP is worse than Skyrim when it comes to what you can do to it, man am I glad I only sorta scratch the surface of that game.Ghostpilot posted:A chronic case, I'd say! Personally I'd go for the BF4 to get an even better deal. Who cares if it's really a 290x, worst case is you get almost every inch of performance the 290x offers for like $370 after reselling the code and hey it might unlock on top of that, bonus.
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Ghostpilot posted:I've been second-guessing myself throughout the day on whether to stick with the XFX (which would come with a copy of Battlefield 4 to offload) or swap for the Powercolor which has been guaranteed unlocks. I'd personally go for the XFX if you really want BF4. Think of it this way. The XFXs have a chance of unlocking, AND you get a free copy of BF4. You very well could get lucky and get an unlockable XFX, and even if you don't, the difference in performance is so minimal that it would still be worth the $400 you spent on it.
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Yeah, you guys are right. I suppose I've been hanging out OCN too much. Thanks, fellas!
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I just got a bit carried away and ordered a Sapphire 280x as an incremental upgrade from my 7870 xt. As they're both Tahiti chips will I need to uninstall / reinstall Catalyst to get it running properly? Or can I just swap it in?
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knox_harrington posted:I just got a bit carried away and ordered a Sapphire 280x as an incremental upgrade from my 7870 xt. As they're both Tahiti chips will I need to uninstall / reinstall Catalyst to get it running properly? Or can I just swap it in? I always do a clean install but that's just me.
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knox_harrington posted:I just got a bit carried away and ordered a Sapphire 280x as an incremental upgrade from my 7870 xt. As they're both Tahiti chips will I need to uninstall / reinstall Catalyst to get it running properly? Or can I just swap it in? Technically you could try and Crossfire them if you have the motherboard and power supply to handle it.
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The 7870 xt is an odd duck, under the hood it's actually a nerfed 7950. Reviewers found that it will pair up with 7950 / 7970 series, which I assume will also apply to the 280x. http://www.techpowerup.com/176817/radeon-hd-7870-tahiti-le-can-pair-with-hd-7900-series-in-crossfirex.html Blorange fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Nov 18, 2013 |
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Nostrum posted:I'm planning on getting a 290X and keeping my 670 so I can do this: And if only Nvidia wasn't actively blocking hybrid PHYSX we wouldn't have to jump through these hoops. It also looks like they've been able to stop the hybridization by directly coding games not to support it. Batman Origins and Hawken won't work. We won't know until newer PHYSX enabled games come out. I'm almost tempted to drop my 680 in with my 2 290s and see what kind of crazy trouble I can get into 
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Blorange posted:Technically you could try and Crossfire them if you have the motherboard and power supply to handle it. Unfortunately I'm ITX and also a bit lean on the power front at 450W (bequiet E9 80+ gold thing) . Pcpartpicker.com tells me I should be OK so hopefully it won't set fire to my flat.
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So I checked my credit card balance this morning. Sigh....4075 bucks. I gotta start selling some poo poo to recoup expenses. 3 new Dell 27" monitors 1 Amd 290x (being returned) 2 290s 2 waterblocks + all my standard spending. If I had a wife she'd be pissed off right about now.
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^^Jesus Christ. I'm about to make the big jump from Win 7 to Win 8.1. Are people still reporting problems with SLI in 8.1?
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Stanley Pain posted:And if only Nvidia wasn't actively blocking hybrid PHYSX we wouldn't have to jump through these hoops. It also looks like they've been able to stop the hybridization by directly coding games not to support it. Batman Origins and Hawken won't work. We won't know until newer PHYSX enabled games come out. Huh, I don't really get why. NVIDIA could make a bit from people who have AMD cards. At the end of the day, you had to buy NVIDIA silicon to get the feature, why block it if it's not the renderer?
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HalloKitty posted:Huh, I don't really get why. NVIDIA could make a bit from people who have AMD cards. At the end of the day, you had to buy NVIDIA silicon to get the feature, why block it if it's not the renderer? Who the hell knows. But it pisses me off. I'm sure the same will be said for Mantle, if and when it makes any kind of splash/ripple. I'd love to throw in one of my older NV cards to act as a PPU.
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Well, I was in for a surprise when I tried to install the Xtreme III today. The thermal adhesive was all dried up in the tube.  It was my first time opening it, and nothing was coming out when I was squeezing it. Even tried with pliers via the instructions. The most I got out was some dust. Guess I'm going to RMA this thing for a refund, though I'm honestly debating on just getting some good thermal pads and using those for the heatsinks instead as well as getting some more heatsinks. I think a refund would be better though, as I'm actually thinking about getting another cooler instead, or I may just wait until I get the money to water cool at a later date. For now, it's back to the lovely reference cooler. 
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Stanley Pain posted:Who the hell knows. But it pisses me off. I'm sure the same will be said for Mantle, if and when it makes any kind of splash/ripple. I'd love to throw in one of my older NV cards to act as a PPU. Well, Mantle will work on Nvidia cards. So there's that. http://wccftech.com/amd-mantle-api-require-gcn-work-nvidia-graphic-cards/
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Rahu X posted:Guess I'm going to RMA this thing for a refund, though I'm honestly debating on just getting some good thermal pads and using those for the heatsinks instead as well as getting some more heatsinks.
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:Well, Mantle will work on Nvidia cards. So there's that. The article's summary says one thing, then the article says something completely different. Nobody has said Mantle won't require support from the graphics card; all AMD has said is other people can implement it if they want. If Nvidia doesn't want to implement it, then it's not working on Nvidia cards.
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:Well, Mantle will work on Nvidia cards. So there's that. This site is literally the worst. Every time I see a ridiculous rumor pop up with only one shady source, it’s that site. See G-Sync being Asus-exclusive. Do not feed the trolls with advertising money.
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eames posted:This site is literally the worst. Every time I see a ridiculous rumor pop up with only one shady source, it’s that site. See G-Sync being Asus-exclusive. Do not feed the trolls with advertising money. Oh, didn't know their reputation. I just grabbed it from an OCN post.
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Rahu X posted:Well, I was in for a surprise when I tried to install the Xtreme III today. The thermal adhesive was all dried up in the tube. Bummer.  Once I heard about having to mod the Xtreme III and having to buy extra vrm heatsinks in addition to paying the extra cost of the cooler itself, I opted for the Gelid. I have heard of there being some concern about the thermal tape included with it, so I'll be taking Bitcoin's advice and snagging some Sekisui tape.
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Mantle CAN work on NVIDIA GPUs, but WON'T until NVIDIA decides to implement it. Knowing NVIDIA, I wouldn't expect them to anytime soon. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if NVIDIA decides to make their own API to challenge Mantle. Don't get me wrong, Mantle sounds really nice in theory, but I don't see it being the end solution. I see it paving the way for other APIs offering lower level access to the GPU, which would honestly be more practical in the end. Something like some low level extensions to OpenGL that are vendor agnostic. BITCOIN MINING RIG posted:If you decide not to RMA, get Sekisui thermal tape from eBay and buy a kit of MOS-C1 VRM heatsinks since you can cut them to size easily. 3M thermal tape is a waste of money. That is literally what I was thinking of getting. Some Sekisui thermal tape or Fujipoly thermal pads. I think I'll go for the thermal tape though. Vastly less expensive. Ghostpilot posted:Bummer. And the Gelid is one of the reasons why I'm thinking about RMA-ing. I hear conflicting reports on the fans though. Some say they're quiet at full blast, other say they're almost as loud as the reference cooler on Quiet Mode. I also hear conflicting reports on the VRM cooling. Even with the fans at full, VRM 1 apparently spikes fast. Could be a result of the lovely default thermal tape or the heat sinks though, so that problem could be alleviated with some better ones. Seems like it cools just as well though, for around 33% cheaper. Rahu X fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Nov 19, 2013 |
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BITCOIN MINING RIG posted:If you decide not to RMA, get Sekisui thermal tape from eBay and buy a kit of MOS-C1 VRM heatsinks since you can cut them to size easily. 3M thermal tape is a waste of money. FYI, the MOS-C1 kit includes plenty of thermal pads and they are precut for the heatsinks. 
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That could work fine, although I've had random thermal tape/pads fall off before so I'm wary of using unknown stuff. I think I read that they're 3M-made and had bad experiences with their tape in the past.
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BITCOIN MINING RIG posted:That could work fine, although I've had random thermal tape/pads fall off before so I'm wary of using unknown stuff. I think I read that they're 3M-made and had bad experiences with their tape in the past. I tell ya; these won't stick without heat. I set the heatsinks up on the chips and then applied heat via blow dryer for a few minutes. I then pushed the heatsinks into the chips and let them cool. They aren't budging now. The cheap tape and pads are the worst. I have a pair of cheap copper heatsinks I was using previously, terrible stuff. 
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Well, order placed - didn't get it in early enough for them to do their thing today, unfortunately, or else I'd have been able to get it in tomorrow instead of two-day. Rush shipping is less for me and more for Sidesaddle for being a champ and being able to coordinate the important middle section of the transaction in the first place - I'll definitely update as soon as I get it in. Went with an EVGA 780Ti SC ACX, as I'm obviously quite pleased with the 780 SC ACX and its overclocking capability and aggressive BIOS; reviews suggest the EVGA unit has roughly the same chip lotto potential as anything else currently up for sale, and I know for a fact that the ACX cooler's noise level and heat transfer capability very much agrees with me. I like that they go to the trouble of nickel plating the heat pipes - not strictly necessary, but a mark of quality, and really justified given that they've managed an extremely efficient design overall that likely doesn't really cost much more to produce, if at all, than the stock Titan-style cooler. Now the 90-day step up timer starts all over again. But the house always wins, I've had a long string of EVGA cards and not one has ever been eligible for step-up when a product I actually wanted came out. Then again, I have a terrible habit of buying the top-end graphics card on release, so that's not really unexpected. Once you commit to buying high end graphics crap in the first place, if you want any appreciable performance gains on upgrading you're more or less stuck sticking to buying high end graphics crap as you go - adios price:performance curve, but at least the performance side of things is awfully nice. Sidesaddle, I emailed you, need your address, just remarking here in case you didn't spot it - I won't have the car tomorrow or I'd be able to ship tomorrow, I apologize, but I should be able to make sure it's heading your way Wednesday, and if expedited shipping isn't a total rip-off I'll send it along in more of a hurry than usual too (though our proximity means that the letter you sent Priority showed up in just one business day, and the card would probably take only one or two as well - I'll inquire, though, for the sake of convenience on your end, and if they can genuinely get it there faster than that without charging me an arm and a leg for the privilege I'll make sure they do).
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I've been totally unconscious for the past six hours, but I replied to your e-mail.
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jink posted:I tell ya; these won't stick without heat. I set the heatsinks up on the chips and then applied heat via blow dryer for a few minutes. I then pushed the heatsinks into the chips and let them cool. They aren't budging now. Man GPU waterblocks can look badass in a rig. Too bad I'm worried about leaks plus having to top the fluid up and other such problems/hassle with looped water cooling. I have an H100 on my 5ghz 2500k and it's wonderful, truly install and forget. I'd love to have an H80 made for GPU's. Does anyone know if that is a thing that exists?
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Ak Gara posted:Man GPU waterblocks can look badass in a rig. Agreed, they are awesome.  More Here I don't think you should worry too much about leaks. This is my first watercooling rig and the only leak I had was one of the fittings on the pump. Every other piece has come together without any hassle. The kit was cheaper than I expected as well. As for 'all in one' GPU kits... there are mounts/zip ties exactly for putting AIO watercooling kit on a GPU. It's called "The Mod". Most people use a Corsair H60 or the Antec 620. I have some spare brackets and AIO kits if you ever need them (it's how I started with watercooling). 
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I made a bracket to attach an H100 to my 680 and it's way overkill. I'm able to run the radiator with no fans, just passively cooled by the positive case pressure, and I've never broken 60C at 1.212v and 1.3Ghz with a ridiculously cranked up power target through bios modification. The pump in the H100 is by far the loudest part of my computer, significantly more so than the Noctua fans on the D14 which are probably the second loudest thing.
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jink posted:As for 'all in one' GPU kits... there are mounts/zip ties exactly for putting AIO watercooling kit on a GPU. It's called "The Mod". Most people use a Corsair H60 or the Antec 620. I have some spare brackets and AIO kits if you ever need them (it's how I started with watercooling). Man, I completely forgot about "The Mod." What's funny is that an Antec Kuhler 620 is actually a couple bucks less than an Arctic Accelero Hybrid (or hell, a Thermaltake Water 3.0 Performer is less than the Xtreme III), and the installation actually seems a lot easier. I've got plenty of zip ties lying around that need to be put to use. Seriously debating on giving this a shot now. Either way, I've decided I'm going to RMA my Xtreme III for a refund. Besides "The Mod", I'm thinking about going for a Gelid with some Sekisui thermal tape and maybe some better VRM heatsinks.
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