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Party Boat posted:Any sentence of under two years can be suspended, as happened here, and in the Bashir case which was a man assaulting his wife. You're an idiot. gently caress off. quote:Manchester Crown Court was told the pair met in their native Pakistan and married in 2013. But Bashir was said to be a ‘controlling and dominating’ husband who told his wife what she could spend her money on and what she should wear, who she could see. Both Bashir and Woodward should be in jail
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May 18, 2017 10:56
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There are huge problems with Pakistani Muslims in the UK in general and integration into a real society should be a priority. I don't understand why nobody will address it. I'm happy to pay for immigration if there's some sort of scheme to make it work with a modern world. But if we just do what we did in the past and stick minority groups in corners and essentially ignore them, we're just making the country worse. I genuinely think a party should address this.
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May 18, 2017 11:01
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Both Bashir and Woodward should be in jail And yet he isn't. Which completely undermines your claims of misandry in the justice system.
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May 18, 2017 11:02
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Bape Culture posted:integration into a real society should be a priority. 
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May 18, 2017 11:04
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Oberleutnant posted:Well I can tell you now that it won't be any time soon for any migrant population. Capital demands mobile, nomadic labour forces. It doesn't care about how those labour forces interact with one another socially; in fact having a divided and internally hostile proletariat works directly in capital's favour because the more hostile and suspicious the general population are towards each other the less chance there is of them uniting against the groups that actually exploit them. and then you go and give them a vote on brexit
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May 18, 2017 11:05
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Bape Culture posted:integration into a real society should be a priority.
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May 18, 2017 11:05
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jabby posted:Means-testing the winter fuel allowance is another relatively OK policy that has the benefit of playing terribly with the right-wing press. Means testing benefits is the reason we now have so many poor and disabled people in poverty and why council housing stocks have been obliterated. Means testing the winter fuel allowance is the first step to the destruction of the winter fuel allowance.
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May 18, 2017 11:05
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Party Boat posted:And yet he isn't. Which completely undermines your claims of misandry in the justice system. When did I say Misandry? However its clear for many years the court system goes easier on women giving them reduced sentences or suspended sentences for crimes that would land a man in jail
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May 18, 2017 11:07
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Party Boat posted:And yet he isn't. Which completely undermines your claims of misandry in the justice system. Bashir is, but he also lied about the stuff that lead the judge to consider a non-custodial sentence
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May 18, 2017 11:08
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Means testing benefits is the reason we now have so many poor and disabled people in poverty and why council housing stocks have been obliterated.
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May 18, 2017 11:08
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Both of those cases are only evidence of the fact that if you come from the right background (ie went to a good school or have a good job lined up) the courts will give you an easy ride. It's not about gender, it's about whether you come from the right society.
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May 18, 2017 11:10
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Guavanaut posted:Means testing is dumb as balls. Same with the free school meals. Why not have free school meals for all kids and fund it through taxation of the bands that would normally pay for school meals, which would get rid of all the bureaucracy around testing who gets free school meals? Meddling with free school lunches is a really bad idea when for some kids its going to be the only square meal they have all day.
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May 18, 2017 11:11
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Guavanaut posted:Means testing is dumb as balls. Same with the free school meals. Why not have free school meals for all kids and fund it through taxation of the bands that would normally pay for school meals, which would get rid of all the bureaucracy around testing who gets free school meals? Because the goal, at least for means testing of things that don't have a waiting list, is destruction of those services not making them fairer? Why don't they do that? Because that's the exact opposite of the goal of means testing.
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May 18, 2017 11:13
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Meddling with free school lunches is a really bad idea when for some kids its going to be the only square meal they have all day.
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May 18, 2017 11:13
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:When did I say Misandry? In general I'm willing to trust the judges who've seen far more evidence then we have relating to each case, and spent far more time considering it, instead of (to borrow the words of the Secret Barrister) snapping Occam's Razor in a political tantrum.
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May 18, 2017 11:14
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Oberleutnant posted:Both of those cases are only evidence of the fact that if you come from the right background (ie went to a good school or have a good job lined up) the courts will give you an easy ride. It's not about gender, it's about whether you come from the right society. Suspended sentences aren't just reserved for the upper classes, although I don't doubt that their use correlates with how good a lawyer you're able to afford.
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May 18, 2017 11:17
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Guavanaut posted:That would require a real society for people to integrate into, rather than a crumbling wreck painted over with the rose tinted memories of 50s English literature. This, so very loving much. Give people a society to feel a part of and maybe then we can start moaning about how they won't integrate. If somebody asked you right now what British society or British culture is or is meant to be about, could you express it in anything that isn't clichéed pablum about fair play and a stiff upper lip and other manifest untruisms? Because try as I might I can't find the words. We like chips, maybe? Cups of tea? The queen? I'm British-born and as whitebread as they come and I'm no more integrated into British society than a fresh-off-the-plane Bangladeshi but nobody's complaining about me for not integrating, nobody's saying I need to adopt British values whatever they turn out to be because there aren't any to adopt.
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May 18, 2017 11:21
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https://twitter.com/JoeMurphyLondon/status/865149600579166208 sweet jesus
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May 18, 2017 11:22
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I didn't realise free lunches for infants was a thing. When did it come in? I definitely remember paying for my school lunch at that age in the 90s.
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May 18, 2017 11:22
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peanut- posted:I didn't realise free lunches for infants was a thing. When did it come in? I definitely remember paying for my school lunch at that age in the 90s. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/free-school-lunch-for-every-child-in-infant-school
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May 18, 2017 11:27
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As far as I remember I was on free school meals all the way through school. I was a skiver even when I was a wee bairn, and now I still expect society to give me a free ride because I'm jealous of rich people and don't want to do an honest day's work.
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May 18, 2017 11:27
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New Labour introduced the Migrant Impact Fund, designed to help fund infrastructure, housing and community services for councils with migrant populations. In the least surprising news ever it was one of the first things the coalition government cut. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/aug/06/fund-impact-immigration-scrapped Meanwhile the Telegraph seems to have run out of anonymous senior Labour sources to bash the leader with, since they're now trying the same thing with the Lib Dems: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/17/tim-farron-mounting-pressure-senior-lib-dems-amid-concerns-anti/
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May 18, 2017 11:28
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May 18, 2017 11:33
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TomViolence posted:This, so very loving much. Give people a society to feel a part of and maybe then we can start moaning about how they won't integrate. If somebody asked you right now what British society or British culture is or is meant to be about, could you express it in anything that isn't clichéed pablum about fair play and a stiff upper lip and other manifest untruisms? Because try as I might I can't find the words. Would you rather live in Pakistan? This country isn't perfect but it's a drat sight more progressive than most of the world. I don't think problems should be ignored just because everything else isn't utopic. Odd that a lot of people who want to make the world nicer just want to do it by allowing x amount of people into the country without considering what happens afterwards. The perpetual ethnic underclasses are actually encouraged by people trying to do the opposite. Everything is hosed. Hail satan.
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May 18, 2017 11:33
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peanut- posted:I didn't realise free lunches for infants was a thing. When did it come in? I definitely remember paying for my school lunch at that age in the 90s. I always had a packed lunch. I think I got money to buy a school lunch about 5 times in 13 years of schooling. I remember a couple of kids in my primary school class who got free lunches and I'm actually amazed they got no poo poo for it considering how cunty kids can be
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May 18, 2017 11:35
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forkboy84 posted:I always had a packed lunch. I think I got money to buy a school lunch about 5 times in 13 years of schooling. There seems to be some implicit understanding among school kids that you can give a poor kid a hard time for having poo poo trainers, but nobody ever says a word about free school lunches. That was my experience, anyway.
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May 18, 2017 11:39
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Bape Culture posted:Would you rather live in Pakistan? You missed the whole point. It's not about wur freedoms or quality of life compared to Pakistan's, it's about having an actual vision for society that can form a basis for self-identity beyond flag or church or monarch. Prosperous, multicultural liberal societies struggle the most with this because the social terrain has been so thoroughly undercut by the privatisation of formerly public space, the secularisation and pluralisation of society and the pervasive normlessness and atomisation pushed by an individualist consumer culture. Many of these are issues brought about by an inability to deal with the new problems which have arisen from our relatively enviable material circumstances. There is no such thing as society, as satan once said, and that's our present problem.
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May 18, 2017 11:43
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Oberleutnant posted:There seems to be some implicit understanding among school kids that you can give a poor kid a hard time for having poo poo trainers, but nobody ever says a word about free school lunches. That was my experience, anyway. Rockports the shoe of choice for teenage delinquents
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May 18, 2017 11:43
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There were kids at my school that just wore wellies to school - green if your big brother was a farmer, yellow if he was a fisherman.
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May 18, 2017 11:45
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It's amazing how tories proposing a policy can make labour partisans pro huge inheritances: https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/865135032297500672 Tbf she campaigns for Kate hoey so she's an extreme on the partisan scale
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May 18, 2017 11:45
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TomViolence posted:You missed the whole point. It's not about wur freedoms or quality of life compared to Pakistan's, it's about having an actual vision for society that can form a basis for self-identity beyond flag or church or monarch. Prosperous, multicultural liberal societies struggle the most with this because the social terrain has been so thoroughly undercut by the privatisation of formerly public space, the secularisation and pluralisation of society and the pervasive normlessness and atomisation pushed by an individualist consumer culture. Many of these are issues brought about by an inability to deal with the new problems which have arisen from our relatively enviable material circumstances. There is no such thing as society, as satan once said, and that's our present problem. I trot this line out from time to time, but I think it's true - the nation-state, as a binding agent of human society, culture, and organisation, is becoming obsolete. Capital is partly to blame, as it's gradually forcing nations to legislate themselves out of existence in a regulatory sense - opening markets, opening borders, etc. But the rise of global instant communication and mass transit are also allowing people to connect and combine culturally and socially in ways that were impossible even a generation ago. We're on the cusp of a brave new world, and any efforts to promote more integration and identification with a national cultural identity are, I think, just desperate efforts to wind the clock back. It's not going to work.
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May 18, 2017 11:48
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Oberleutnant posted:I trot this line out from time to time, but I think it's true - the nation-state, as a binding agent of human society, culture, and organisation, is becoming obsolete. Capital is partly to blame, as it's gradually forcing nations to legislate themselves out of existence in a regulatory sense - opening markets, opening borders, etc. But the rise of global instant communication and mass transit are also allowing people to connect and combine culturally and socially in ways that were impossible even a generation ago. Sure, I'm not saying a collective self-identity needs a nation-state, in fact I'd prefer the nation-state to disappear altogether.
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May 18, 2017 11:50
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pointsofdata posted:It's amazing how tories proposing a policy can make labour partisans pro huge inheritances: You don't see a problem with providing care for the elderly only until they've used up the value of their home, at which point they don't own it any more? A house is not a "huge inheritance", and even if it were this is a blatant move to concentrate more money in the hands of people far richer than single home owners.
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May 18, 2017 11:53
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Nations will eventually dissolve, and we'll get either a) Megacorp citizenship as in Shadowrun, or b) full communism So yeah, megacorps
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May 18, 2017 11:57
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Still beats my projection of the future which is either: being melted down into slurry to act as biofuel for a new mechanized proletariat, or a Mad Max hellscape without the cool special effects.
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May 18, 2017 11:59
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Means testing the winter fuel allowance is the first step to the destruction of the winter fuel allowance.  it was nice while it lasted
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May 18, 2017 11:59
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peanut- posted:I didn't realise free lunches for infants was a thing. When did it come in? I definitely remember paying for my school lunch at that age in the 90s. Teaching infants to slack right after bith. Disgraceful. There's no such thing as a free lunch, baby. Also you guys are way behind. I remember school food, it was pretty good actually, but we had actual kitchens who made the food from scratch. Still do, I am so glad my kids get to goto kindergarten as they always eat so well there. They're picky eaters at home and it might get a bit samey due to stresses of real life. But in kindergarten they always get a varied diet and basically, homecooked meals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_meal#Finland Don't save on your kids! Though our idiot hellfucker government is trying!
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May 18, 2017 12:13
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Hahaha. According to my Dad in Spain, all the (ukip/Tory) ex-pats I I'ms are acting like the sky is falling because of the winter fuel and triple lock. The ironing is delicious!
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https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/865119304441888768 I hope the 'Dementia Tax' name sticks.
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